| Show j I HR WITH PRESIDENT T SMITH Respected Church Leader Makes Ikes Plain Statement of o Facts Con Cou Concerning on Smoot Case CHURCH IS NOT HOT IN POLITICS Time Prints the Hatter as Given Without Twisting Tw or Turning ng ngIM Tim The Times Tinie ot of recent date contained 1 the tho following Interview with President Joseph F Smith had by p lal correspondent Henry Hull flail on nfl n brief visit to this city The Tho Interview In lii BO 10 I as flit to bo ho truly In these days of ot men Ilion abuso abuse ond It follows Suit salt Lake LakO City April 3 Church of ot JesUS Jesua Christ of at t flora do OrS I not direct nor liar attempt to 10 direct ho shall RhIll or shall not bo be elected to any high or low IOWA In t tho tIm State of at Utah With regard to tho charge continually md nd persistently matle that A WON the Church candidate that by Church dictation ami through Church domination In lii e ehe he ie was elected to the tho United State I want to ny to you In III l tho tl of Dt gentlemen who had hR full knowledge l of nt nil all tho thu that 1 I had no more to do with hili 1114 election ol nor had 1111 they thoy than you living In Pennsylvania had except at nt tho the polls pulls 1 I may have voted 1 tor tOl members of or tho the legislature who ho In Iii turn supported him In the joint legis legislative convention for tor or that omeo This positive tie unequivocal was as nahI to tho the Times correspondent by iy President Joseph F V JI Smith of or t the tho Mormon church hurch The three men whom un II called as witnesses werl Presidents 1 I John H n Winder unit Anthon H JI Lund LumI his hll colleagues In till th highest hl of at tha thO th Church Chulch end A Charles Charlea W one of or tho the Twelve and nini edi 1111 editor tor br of ot tho the News tho the organ orgon of at And It If you oU IM ui to voto ole oto for tor noot said sail President Winder with a n broad smile II e I hero two of at ofus atHI us HI hero who ho flatly disobeyed you for tOt brother o 1111 I 1 are and I certainly vote ote for tor or lIan candidates for tor the l who voted for tor Smoot for tor senator Neither did dill I declared l Apostle tle Pen penrose rose lose Io e I voted for tho the Democratic can eun candidates There you OU pen pee how ho Mormons are di ell divided vided politically said id president Pre Smith Here fare are four of ot us together and two fire Me on one my counselor aol associate In the tho first tint presidency and n nl the other an nn Apostle of ot tho the Church That hilt ought to show how little there l U D In the har o Mormons vote vo 0 3 as ns they ira are told to vote voto oto by b the tha Church of uffit Q fit are aro like other citizens of ot the Lulled State salt said 1 President Iund Iud They Thoy are aro divided politically I think tho the division Is about an all equal one and those who shio are voted against Apostle Smoot SMOOT PlUm KURD FROM FRO I will say gay further continued dent d nt Smith that Reed Heed Smoot no more represents tho the First Presidency Fre tho thu thol p nor the tho Church In the Unit United l ed H lutes than hoes does his hili col league Sutherland who Is not of ot our faith and Church Let mo say further than thon that said 1 President Smith grow growing Ing morn more nod moro emphatic to you ou and to the therOl country rOl tr that Thomas former from Utah and now active In this thin crusade Against the tho Church haM come romo to me time and time again lignIn anti urged me rue to use uso my In Influence with Benator Smoot to pet get et him to resign hh hiti fu It et In tho the Senate and ami that I 1 have In Invariably variably told him that I hail had nothing whatever to do with Smoots election I 1 did dill not help to put him In the pen nt if I am not In politics and ami I will iIi not b led nor driven Into politics The party of ot Utah elected Heed Smoot to the Iho senate and Is m ii for his being there thel I nm am not nor Is the tho Chinch Church I will also nl o mid acid that I while pleading with mo no to get Heed feed moot to resign Mr l also pi 1 with me zoo to help hell him to be bo ted to succeed 1 himself et anti and that to loth pleas I made morle the name ane answer I nm irn not In politics will iii not bo ho led Ihl Into Inlo politics This Is l the answer made by b the hIghest of ot tho tim Mormon i hur hureh h to tho the charge that Heed Hoell Smoot en on of ot f tho the Twelve Apostles was vaa elect I M 4 1 to the tho United Unite I States senate by h and ugh their Influence and dictation And let mo wiy HOY An something on that r int volunteered Jeorge Cleoro A Il son of at Apostle John Henry u II prominent nan man In the Church 1 father and son being both members orth or of the who hail had entered the thu MH while chile tho the foregoing statements ore ere being mode made When Heed Smoot vs is fi a I candidate for tor tho the senate tho tim hr trim people right hero In our con v nilon in Salt Take Lake county united with the tho Smoot Snoot forces torce to nominate O can I 0 for tor the tho legislature the till forces It wn was a n Mot Mat combination against t an on another another other combination for tor tho the Republican wore sore divided be he between between tween teon the two without re to roo gaid galil to 10 church I am Rm r i II and have been since hoy 10 hood and I 1 nm am A n f lerall tt officeholder appointed by h President McKinley Mel I 1 hao stumped every ever corner of Utah for tOt the tho cause and no out cial In the Church tins baa ever evor hinted to tome tome tone me ne let alone dictated what should be hi bemy b my Joy political com se not even won my own father AND AN DISTINCT It ll should be Hald Haid In this connection connection tion remarked d President Smith that stumping wn SRM done by b Brother Smith he became an nn Io tlc lie 11 was wn only recently appointed to that While Hoed Heed Smoot Is la an 11 Apostle Bald Apostle Penrose there Is nothing In that fact Incompatible with ith his hh hold hohl holding holding ing any IIII civil office attire Nor while there has haH been as much ground for tor It ac 1111 there Is In III his hili case cne has hn the tho objection made to him bin over since b en raised ed be ho before tore fore He Is s not the ft first rut Apostle elect elected ed pd to 10 Congress Congro s Q a Q Cannon who was sas nn on Apostle and iid counselor lor to Presidents Taylor Woodruff and Snow AllOW served nerved red several terms In Congress an OH I delegate train from the Territory of ot Utah I That Is l true said Bald President Pr Smith I And nd moro more over there l Is III nothing In III Inthe Inthe the tho holding of ot the highest o III cell in Inthe inthe the tho hutch Church which would prevent a 11 man manfrom manfrom from holding any civil nor from engaging In uny any legitimate business It Itla ItIs ItIs Is la one of the tho beauties b and excellencies of ot the Church of ot Jesus Christ of at Lat Int Saints that there Is IB not with within in It a 1 man high or low who vho has not some gome t or pursuit from which to produce his hili own living and that of ot those dependent upon him Ho ito docs doell not nol have to take toko It out of ot the tho Church I tithing nor live by the pausing of ot the lint hilt It Is to that however that some would reduce roduco us merely a II praying preaching singing crowd getting our I living out oC ot the people and by h 1 the contribution box We V o ate are I charged with commercialism because wo we follow ollow the tho principle taught by h the tin Church that every enry man ought to inako hits hili own living If It he be b able that there theio Is IB nothing In his doing so o 0 to pr his holding the tho highest d that his business pursuits do to donot not Interfere with his Church Chinch duties II ff I Our plan III h for tor every eel eer man to earn Ms own living ho continued Why look at nt Winder there He lie H Is III Ismy my firs counselor my toy colleague lie He Is a 1 farmer and has hM been 1000 for tOI year him raised ns as much wheat and other articles of ot farm ns as any man lOnU In III Utah lie Ho Is I n a stock Mock raiser and Ind If It you OU wont want to buy the tho best Jersey cow CUI co In III Uth iro HO o to John lohn II It Winder Inder and ho will sell cell it to you Ol I 1 wont ont him the tue best J lIe cow ow cowIn In iii Wan Utah said Mid President 11 Winder he hc because cause CIU O I 1 want ant to Keep II p hot her hO in self but butI I w will III hell H II him it ii i good one Our Jur Church differs from Crom other othor churches President Smith went on oil In lii that It looks aft after r tho the temporal nfl na well n M ai tho ho spiritual welfare of ot ItH ita people It U not only Ima to 10 lit fit pro pare paro them for tur a n hot hOI III In a 1 better world oril 1 after Iel death hut but to aid them to happy homes homr while hero here on earth COMPOUND OF Ol l AND Al I tan Man was n matte made from the dust of or tho the earth Into Ms tile body God breathed tho the breath of ot life lite he ho became n a liv living 11 lag ing foul roul Ho lie Is III a compound of ot earth carth carthand and heaven h While on the tho earth ho he must mUll get fret hiR hili living train from It and the Church teaches looch him to la mak the best hESt i UfO ISO of ot his opportunities and n Ills his abilities of 01 body budy and mind mimI Tin Th Church does possible In Iii that hat direction We am charged with commercialism O wo 0 engaged In various In enterprises Prow From the tho very of ot tho the conditIons condition under which tho the Church won vei all established hed In Utah that tha t was 18 Imperatively necessary l When the Mormons caine hero here to snake make new homes for tor themselves miles In hI nl an direction from civilization they worn In la poverty anti and distress They The lIed been driven troll their former CornIer habitations and were practically IJ It absolutely necessary n nry that tile the Church and anti the Church authorities ll should l take hold and help tho people to make and minister as ns far taras as possible to their own on wants All 11 the temporal power the hutch Church hIM ban over ever exerted In Utah In lit the tho direction of ot helping tho the poor ioor ninke homes for tOl to develop Industries thereby to the es establishment 8 tu of ot Independence anti rom corn comfort fort President Toung led the way In this He lie established many In among them woolen mills mill nail rIH even en Iron Ironworks ironworks works anti and many We Wo make our OUI ou own h here re I wear ft a 1 home homemade homemade made suit stilt of ot now nott no 1111 have worn orn else for tor many years be ho believing lieving In iii patronizing homo Industries that flory article articie of ot facture and everything which we could not produce or make here had hod to ho be I no talleR onos the till plains Tim The merchant r limped from finin Joo to COO GUO per vent Int i on these good It was a I I I I I drain that HuH n U poor l I antI 1111 II I com coin community could not why by wo paid Ier per weight weIcht fur for nails and then than we WI started 1 a II nail mill factory made mude nulls ilK out of nf old lIlIon tires tiros An As fill far fit hodl us IM ISM lS 2 the Church burnt attempted to II start ib the u Hr by hy raising tho tile b et and e a II sugar factory The Church Chulch invited In III It und ond got tho the people to Join It Large sums matins wore were expended but tho the expel I wa van n a failure Tho machinery was 18 not hot what It should shoud have been and amid we lacked experience That discouraged the people and ami for tot a 1 long time It was Impossible to 10 get them nial the tho II men moon and bankers banell to put mIt capital lute Into the scheme Tho rho Church Chulch was ap to and amid It went security for tor cei cel lain bonds i to put Pitt tile t lie Industry on its feet f t For yen ell IB it paid pal 1 no rio dividends hut hul at nt last ft n became a n success m II the stability of It tho the ent enterprise i prise Is III assured and the could be paid off ort but tho the holder holders wilt will not part vart with them I until legally IC FOR FOH NOT CHURCH President Young In order to prevent the tite people irom paying the exorbitant rates for merchandise brought here herl started the Zions Cooperative Mercantile Institution In tho Z C M I Ins Ius ns us It Is generally gellel lI to make money for tor or the tue Church but to save aavo money for Cor the thA people p I was aa sent out through the tue settlements to get set tho the pro peo people lIe Interested and amId to get them to take Block They rile fhe were vere low to go Into the tue enterprise having been discouraged by hy the failure of ot the sugar business when first begun In Ill every eVe In where here I started n a branch I J had to head the Block list myself But If It It was wall a n church enterprise asked why tho the people obey obo orders anti and take the stock Block The Tue Mormon people arent built that wn replied President Smith No O Indeed chimed ch In President lre t Winder they tle want to 10 know knoll whore where their money mooney Is going and what Is like Ilke ly I to be the tha return before bolc they the let It ItI out of oC their bonds bunds These cooperative Institutions have hao been blen very successful tul resumed dent Smith While the tl Church at nt took stock stork In It to show good 00 1 faith and to 10 encourage the people It has baa very ver var lit tie tle of ot It at nt present pres nt bathes hold from 55 26 to 10 30 per lIeI rent cent ot of the stock now mow M In fact the Church has but bUI little Interest In any In It owns a 1 major ity It of ot tho the stock Block In ill the at nt the lake anti the between It and the city That enterprise as gone Into by the tito Church In III order to 10 provide Novilio providen i I n I 1 the tho young i eople people could have proper an l r amuse amusements ments under Church Chuich control so that i they tile might bo he protected troll from Improper Influences Influence and bp hi tree free from association I with vice Ice and au profligacy It also 11 0 61 rt per vent cent of ot the Iho Suit Lake Luke theater I which was built buill by I Young for the same Riven with regard to the Saltair pavilion 11 I nm Im charged with being connected with all nil sorts of corporations 1111 bus bud bu l anit with using my rn m position for tor the tho monopolization of ot trade Some of ot the c connections I 1 have Inherited with my mn as II In Inthe InI Inthe I the ease case of ot thorn I have Inno Just named I lInt Hut tho the Church In tho the Itri days hn to 10 take UKe the time lend lead In imi the work of at de tie development I In III Im order artier to make this tills a community OJ NOT ABUSED IlUS D In Ill n the tho nine direction Its It hut not tho time Church Itself now 1101 ago age and nd help holp new flew and worthy orth enterprises es pit The Tho corporations with Ith whirl which I 1 nm no connected mo are not dominated 1 by b I the tho Church any more moore than thun mo amo similar organizations here carried canted 1 on by hy those who wit are 1110 not of oC our omm membership Their stock Is U on the moor mar market ket quoted In tho tIme market reports report and those Iho e who will may buy It Onn One reason why I IllIn nm inn president nt or director In many mOil Is III that I nm ito a n stockholder In ii them I have havo put Ut my tO money mOno monc In 10 them 1 I be believe behove hove lieve I 1 may lofty Ha 80 time the people have con confidence to In mo me find antI In my mity business Judg Judgment ment My Aly M position as president of at the Church does doeK not weaken that tofu confidence dence Wo We are not trying to crush cruh ou oti Gentile competition nor nur any 1111 other com corn competition petition There I If no desire to drive tho the Gentiles out of ot business If It you OU will Just t walk down our main 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