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Show t ; escheated pi.opei.ty. t;:e Disposal f:re THE , jbjbi JaJe CchfrGTers'y Da- -, IcoflonroTT, : INVOLVED III FEHSOXALTYjOXY jbe Churc IT. Claims ;tho Fand Should ift lY111 charitable Co Tin . i 4p tlells!ons and leesi-Woodru- and ff, Interest nz ETidence, cannon Giro i Ml. would virtually leave the fund for chari lies, aoelr scheme was that the Supreme Court appoint a board of charities, on which the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Da- y caims snouia De represented, to deal with ma runu. The money contributed the five counties in which ha and othersbywere Interested they wanted returned there. He took it that the of temples would not be permitted. building Mr. Eichards objected to the introduction of any evidence, and asked if Mr. Hey wood had admitted that no person who has joined ia me scneme was a member of the church. Mr. Heywood reDlled that he felt milt in replying o. sir. mohards then asked whether those persons had contributed anything to the fund, which caused Mr. Heywood, to some- wnat irascibly question his right to cross mm, ana aeclarea that no man ".uiuB couia say that be had come before the Mas ter in a raise light. jur. Kicnards attempted to smooth the petitioner's ruSed plumage, but' was not successful, the latter replying that if the questioning was done tor tbe purpose of him it was all humiliating but why it w ue negiectea to state. right, Mr. Richards assured Mr. ma ue naa no such - intention. HeHeywood simply wamea to show that none of tbe parties presenting this suggestion were members of the church or had ever contributed anything to toe xuna, and that Mr. Heywood and his aia not represent any persons owvuicj wno naa ever contributed anything to it. T t ji. Jk. fr c f'T, .t, u..- THE POOS PEHSOXS. Witness couldn't state tbe number cf poor persons who were helped, but was positive from S75.C00 to 100,000 was expended yearly in this fcrm of charity. Hadn't reckoned the number of people that money would support." The bishops In the wards keep the number of the Indigent These bishops and the reports are report tabulated, in dollars; the least I recollect was faO.OOO for the half year. The relief goes to those In actual distress, elders who have worked till old and feeble, and others. those that Contributions are aside-frocome up to tbe general fund, made to a large extent in tbe several wards, and applied directly to the maintenance of the poor. H Fast offerings, relief society contributions are held in the wards, but the tunings and general contributions go to the First Presidency and are at its disposal for general church purposes, not for any definite charity. semi-annual- se -- ? EDUCATIONAL. On this point. Mr. Rawlins asked tbe following questions: Q. You are aware of the fact that the people, members of the cburcb, have bad the burden of their children, and in respective educating school districts of the Territory, either by voluntary contribution or taxation, they are required to contribute of their means for that purpose? A. I know that they have to educate their chilv dren; of course I know that. y Q. Outside of Salt Lake City and Ogden, the children to be educated are almost exclusively members of the Mormon Church, aren't they? A. In general terms. I tbinic so. A. different communities 1 Q. - Those There are several places. Bine bum, and a number of other places where there are not; but in the agricultural settlements, my answer would apply to them. Q. Under the church, of course these different communities have the burden of supporting : !f st, m ! 5 - : , T, to-wi- t.: i y. : - : tho-preside- . . , - ; - far-reachi- ng .: ? . -- , : per-Rlssi- on - - ; ' . es-min- ins ; -- sup-Jdth- ate hear-"iSlora- ny ( es i i -- -- . '""-Tenithou- sana '5 --- u.o " Croat-examin- ed tL -- n, e- a-'- - T v " cross-examinati- t, on -- -- ' t- -e s, t-c- i V 1 ii t k f .- t 0 .:; J w f. cf t; lL. 3 - i X;' i:? A: 7, Yes. da and a respectable place for amusements.' ,.-''111 : THE THIRTY THOUSAND SHE2P .. . . ' s '. ly, j - . JJjL O. it: we had to give our personal obligations to raise the money, able to John Taylor, trustee ia trufi, . two years after dkt ;, and caiiiii; sinol r of signed by LeGrand Youug, that the same? A. Yes, sir. Q. One proiniasory note, dated March C, 1C "7. payable to the order of John Taylor, trustee ia w ith 6 trust, calling for t cent interest lrom date, signed by James Jack? A. Ye, it is . .another. 1837, Q. On promissory note, dated:51treh payable to John Tuylor, trustee, ia trust, or order, calling for $."xXU with ft pr: cent iaterest, signed by U. B. Clawsonf A. Y'es, sir. ; 4. That is the whoia of those notes? A. Yea. ti-' That was part of the consideration derived from the sale of the Salt Laka Theater? Aj Yes, sir. j - M j: . Q. And while that Theater was held, I sap-poit was used for theatrical .purposes? A. For theatrical purposes: givintrof performances. Of Q. For the purpose of amusement amusement. before Q. Mow long were those notes-helthey were turned over to the receiver 1 suppose those notes were given as they beardaty A. As they bear date, yes; I don't remember- just how long it was; I remember the transaction, but I would have to think a while to recall the , i exact date. , Q. The Theater was never used for any other purpose than that you have stated?: A.I Exwere cepting, of course, occasionally: lectures wa the given in it; but the general purpose ; of theatrical playfti - ?. t I representation How long bad the Theater ben held for t. that purpose by John Taylor, for tbechnroh? A. In ths settlement j iBrig-haYoung's executors that property was tamed over to the church as a part of, the consideration . . to pay that which he was owing. Q. It was acquired in tbat way! A.' ;II was acquired in that way. Q. That was about 1879? A. It was la say 1S7S that it wag turned over In April. tt73,s with ? r ; THE CHTJRCH DEiCANIK .: the other property. ; j '; Arter Mr. Heywood bad declared that be Mr. Cannon to that say proceeded no .one connected with tbe Theater never afforded a net inootae; tbe represented counselor uickson reaa a paper barely paid expenses. The publio were in-It proposing tne disposition tbe church people vited to its performances, all being afforded wuuia nave made of the The proceedlries lb regard to the dispositto the late cor- onng ion of 4118 funds bef if lan th -at Chlirph knrn i r oratiuu y escheated to paints,! Cbrisfc of Lapjer-DaIn and the hands of fVeGovernniepi nof beSeeeirer II. 4 LaWrence, jffere begun ia Chanceryv fore Judge Loqf xu?ow, Master fclch;ardsl& iloyle yesterday In the See ot, oraiog. The; id- Goifernniett Is represented - S.!Varian and J. I. Rawlbr the Hon. ins- the Receive by thf Hon. J. A. Marshall and the church by tbef Hons. Franklin Richards, Mi H.jjDioko$, and LeGrand Aiaoni the notable of tbe church la personal property at sets ronu who the petitioners are; the Attendance wer!e Presidents Wilford Wood-ralbeads of the church, and the volun Georse Q.'Caniion apd! Joseph F.Smith, character of the donations that went to tary Snow, Andrew Lund and ADostle LoTeoz well this fund; that the understanding of ' , (Winders. Bishop John vue uonors was that the money should be j THE GQVEKSME2rx'S BCBKME. devoted to religious and charitable uses; Gorernment of in mat the First Presidency have bad the jibe Tbe representative sis opening remarki staged that as at pres-e- ut management and direction of this fund, advised tbe Govern thent would present according to the uses for which it was cona scheme for tbi application of this fund to tributed; that the larger part of it has been devoted to the buildingof temples and other thB district schools of t&e Territory gen-rallThey tad tieen Informed generally meeting-house- s, and to the relief of the poor fcV counsel on ne jd'ther jside that they had and. distressed members of said church, their . scheme to present! contemplating the ap- families, and to tbe widows and orphans of una !tb to of relief the the members of said church who of the jf i were in plication nri distressed noenibers of the Church .or distressed circumstances. It is needy of Jesus Christ 4f JjattertDay Saints and to also stated that no part of this money will the bulidin aad madnteiiabce of houses of ever De uted by the church authorities' for worship for mtiibers of said church. The the purpose of aiding, teaching or abettin? T!ew that bls fi&4 toot, j of the position polygamy, bigamy or , pltfr&l marriage, which the Government j pcoupled at this; should the fund be awarded to them. sets ' forth t the ' Woodruff stage of the fcrocaedingsf was; this: The It ; also wfai possession tf this fund, manifesto ot last year, and its adoption by GflTernmant md its duty wf qkeo that it was properly the cburcb In conference;, and that it was applied. To tbatieiid anjl for. that purpose- the purpose of all concerned .that no more aions they woild jfspl called upon to preplural marriages should be entered Into, but sent scheme f for Hhe consideration of the should be prevented; and that none have matter. Butj any claimants to the since been entered Into, to the knowledge of church the church authorities, or have they in fand, such fas Ibe jpresent association, 11 scinied to them, should any manner advised, encouraged or assented be permitted kci piesent? their claim, supto; the. practice of bigamy, polygamy or ported by sochleTidfence as they might deem plural marriages by any of the members of .advisable, and tb&i all ?otber applications said church. Tbat the officers . and memahoald be preutedi: because; they were not bers of said cburcb have been fully advised there at this t&ue f tr the 'purpose of carry-ln- z - by; or bead thereof and those tbroash auy particular claim. One that- in authority therein, that in the future, any vas just and in i aceoraance wim ine views bigamous, polygamous or plural 'marriages cf the supreme boaf t of the United States entered Into by any of the.. members of the and the doc trio of charitable uses was one said church would be disapproved by the that the Govern sent ought to be and must church and those in authority therein, and Cn other words, they did the persons so be satisfied with violating the law of the not feel that! they werej appearing there church, by entering into such a marriage, simply as counsel,; tor a private client. would be subject to excommunication from ; lealous and detenulnea to carry out their said church. The petition further sets forth that $50,000 project at all ) biazards. Therefore it was eminently proper that the claimants to the a year has been used of donations similar to fond on behalf et alleged parties should those herein Invested In tbe .relief of the present their Klaltas, which might or might poor and distressed members of the church, not te acceptable to the Government and that a much larger sum than the ' incoanseL In thit Tjiew, Iff Messrs. Richards come from the sum here iq. controversy tod Dickson as r4presedtlng the church about $400,000 will be needed In such relief association, were ready jto proceed, he work; tbat the church has been accustomed thought tbey thoqld be permitted to intro-a- cs to spend in repair and maintenance ' of their testimohv. and counsel on the churches (aside from temples) more than Government side a if ai ted the developments' P 11 5, 000, and will require, annually hereafter of all the claims jtnat mignt. oe presentea, $35,000; and they engage tbat none of these moneys shall be used In tbe future, if left BETWo4DS SQIE3CB. under tbe control of said church, against When 3Ir. Varlan concluded a petition, public contrary to good morals, or K A. A. C opposed policy, rrned by Attotnet Hey wood, to the letter or tbe spirit of the Bishop and n. ,P. penderson of Ogden, la Constitution or laws of the United States, S. 8. i The fcebtlf of the liters, Fred. J. Ilurst, petitioners consider that it would be Echrimm and bthers , wa.3 presented and unjust to wrest this money from their conread. It states thkt of the moneys now In trol.' away from tbe lawful, beneficial, charthe hands of the; Receiver,! 190,000 was - conuses for which it was tributed by tie fi vd counties comprising tbe itable and religious contributed, and applied to uses northern sabairisjon of tbe First Judicial originally and for the advantage, of those never deDistrict, namely! Weber, Cache, Bo .Elder, signed ' by the donors, and for which tbey "Morgan and Bich; land asks that "the said tvould never have given It. They therefore mm be decreed to and set; apart to pe used ask the tbat money be left with them, to be solely for charitable purposes In 6aid countfor charitable and relief applied religious, ies, under such jeojidltipns and under such purposes, in tbe fellowship that contributed restrictions as in&f be deemed expedient Strand according to the design of those who sad proper in the premises. Tbe petition fund. also offered the suggestion lhat tbe Supreme contributed the ! - GEORGE Q. CASSOX TESTIFIES- Court appoint ij bukrd off charities, td be 'composed of-- : residents of the - counties : A recess was then taken until 2 o'clock, named, to manage and disburse tbe fund. which bour President George Q. Cannon at Mr. Dickson , objected td any one appear-i- n was submitted to an exhaustive and before the 31 aster as p.n applicant' for examination, as follows: portion of the fund except the parties The counselor tnj stated that he was 64 years of record,- and contended that no one else old." had arrived in this Territory In 1847, ' epQld have any standing. ! and bad been a member of the First PresiMr. Yarlan thn isusseated that it eould since- - 19S0. A brief history of tbe he taken subject; tosobjectlon, but Mr. Dick-tn- n dency came next, and then the kernel of church declared) It i' would nbt require much the nut was explored as follows: time ta file in 'objection.! and that his side Mr. Cannon stated. In answer to Mr. Richcf the house wai prepared-- to file, on behalf; tbat the property In the bands of the ards, of the church, a!schetae , ffir the proper disinvolved herein, is the identical Receiver, bursement of the funds inlcontroversy. He contributed by the members of the property rzaed that the parties hid no right to apor else tbe proceeds of tbat propcburcb, pear before the Master unless application all' contributed before erty; that it was none wai made to' th bapremej Court and 3. 1887, and of it came from March '' I i L grantedJf '1 of the church, to tbe members but anybody Mr. Key wood, ;in reply jftated : that the best of his knowledge; that it bad been of people northern Utah appeared before to the Master under ihe, direct invitation of contributed in small amounts, according tbe custom of the church, under the directU Supreme qoutt, ancl. tasked that the tion of tbe first presidency: that vthis had fand should L4 distributed in a certain been the custom from the first, and that it y. Theyihad'nothing more to intervene was also the custom . of the late President for ao charitable Institutions nor anything Taylor, even while ho was president of tbe to make reports to the general conIts debate finlslied, Frailklln S. Eichards twelve, of the church, concerning the monference tneoreadtbedecrejeof the5 Supreme Court eys that were contributed and bow they ct the United Stages, modifying a former were propdisposed of money and eecree, directing that a Master in Chancery erty; that these , reports were full iwnId be appo!nte4 for the; purpose of , and were unaniand complete. into thA, and report mously adopted by the conference. These thereoa a;to wbit question, use most charitable for religious and tearlt corrspondins to those designed, the funds were contributed some of tbe proceeds Personal property of tbe fciurch now In the charitable purposes, on temple and on meetingbs:4s of tbe EectiVer should bo devoted to. being expended of the Saints; tbe tbe for houses worship Sr. Dickson said lhaB at tbe counties of the church, members relieved being txaied In Mr. Heywioed's i could now poor Indians. peitlon also poor ?pear and be be'ard, etery county and as to what witness a to In question reply every prtrata 4orporaUsinf could do the knew of tbe intention of the donors, and . ; w , i j witb the what they expected 'would bo done at Judge Loofboiwov aaldfhk bad not tbe money that wituess repeated money, the who might be was given for religious and charitable purpartks tears before theOnly wexe those In tbe poses, 3aster of it to be left entirely the He had sopjosed the order of to the first disposal that presidency. For relief of the ertnee meant th the Master should distressed members of the church, and poor ibis question, arid'also Investigate witness recollected one year when $113,000 ii merit of any elkim which might be presfrom $75,000 to he and was thought spent, ented. The euggestion was nbw made that $100,000 was so expended annually. Of this W8 orderly way in whichl to secure a the Indians might , get $5000 or possibly scheme Was t4 liave the propo-ca- u $10,000. The same averages will probably cf n obtain leave fthm the Court to needed be annually hereafter Present their cliln to Master perhaps tbi fof and maintenance! erection the For ot n order; allowing them to Inter-- , : meeting-bousthe witness thought $50,000 had supiiosed tb at such applica- - was to t a had been prior annually expended made) to the Court on behalf 18S7, and a like sum. yearly ' t will "tie ponies herejnow. nd for whom Mr. be needed henceforth. ''Since ;1SS7 Jocd acted iasjipokesrijan, to present our finances have been so reduced thai we scheme before tb4 Master. He did able to supply the demands suppose that any paHy presenting a have not been made upon us. I , want to been have that a;e here, and one which nnsuo-- " in explanation of this, proved here, perhaps say would obtain aby( lien upon the we have since 1837, since the seizure ot tbat cus. or the risht to reebver any of their this property, been compelled to lay aside 1 Uneses.ietc, Out of that fund. nnmerous applications for help in the erec- -. and they stand now people might tlon of meeting-house- s, la that way... r I , v9 on file ready to be taken up." It would re- Au $30,000 per annum to supply necessary viiiaiw ui t mat, tuose who Gia not ap-e- re quire for members of the church. places of worship from oa the first or spmnH r.f th two hundred meetingnot far We have v w r.' of worship, exclusive of and uearu.j houses places ,a. stated that ft Mr. Et y ?slr or &nT freply. else prepared a scheme .temples. A fcy Mr. Rawlins lei witnesses In sapport of their of the personal property In the handsportion of the "a, , ,,ufoIIow af Dt adopted, it did not receiver consists of gas stock, which was acJ th1 D9 would be entitled quired in settlement of the church against to J, 00 of the!p witness' or f attorney's the estate of President Brlgham Young. He eaeamst the fund- was owing tbe church at his death, and I TnET ABB ALL PATRIOTS. was one of his executors. We turned that s sen- - over to the church in settlement of the claim cr he &t nac(i declared that there the church bad against his estate. There were not a man in th 8000 shares of this stock, and tbe dividends n in. on up to tbe time of the seizure amounted " , V iuiw;r now vus case to it0000. This dividend money was turned fund, no separate account the Into general decided tc admit the testl- -i ':a,sfer there being no way to and of it. made 10 being "a't V01 objection, and Mr, Dickson state was made of this use &n what particular . r.1 exception be nuted. . "TV. 'I'?0 tock advaataste of a lull in iiionny. then proceeded: The l tO Ceflre th esf nncltlnn 3d ths rsrsn!a Via THS THEATER. a t .rertanaljy had rot contributed Q. The promissory notes in the hands of the . ue poop! of northern Utah bad Toeirer oonsideraola of tbat vvaj derived from I understand it, the Theater A. " ano-ct- .i All they asked real estate, aswas soid by President John Taylor Theater Coju send back this money to The there to tto distributed to certin parties, and he took their promissory " ? ,a; 8 fcn charities as were given by them? A. Notes mlht be BQ?Kotes ft por cent interest. were drawing didiotwintacen given "w:tc-ere turned over to the uoi4 And tho or Q pur-- such J, any i n d sLoi.id so i, as near as Eceivcr? A. They were turned over to tbe Re. - far wbfch it was orlzl- - ceiver, yes. tM nmi 6 per cent ia- n on note forMT-lCJ- . t i. i net U : - thit t St -r.T 1 C,!?S. ii.. ttle, that r o l ,Tr r mr TTtTTTTT T The sheep, Mr. Cannon tetiHed, were the identical property contributed by: the donors; some of tbe donations may have come from outside the Territory The flocks of sheep had been on band for eotne years. The object was to supply the wants of the poor people in many instances,? atd to pay workmen. .The sheep .were handled under the direction of t he trustee?-in:-t'us- t; the woji was sold and the cash turned lover to the trustee-in-trus- t, and disbursed for church purposes. Some of the' money ialght have gone cut ot the Terrltory,.but Jwne outside of this region. iThe examination then proceeded: ! r Q. These expenses that were td be anet by the church included generally what? A. .Wfll, a great deal was spent, mi I said, for temples and for meeting-houseand Door, and belning settle ments. I may say here, and probably it would' be proper, that one of tne anuses of there being them? - Yes, sir. A. Suppose this fund was applied to the sun-po-rt and maintenance of schools in tbe districts which have to be supported by the different communities in the Territory,. ouWide of these places, throu eh the instrumentality of tha school trustees, wouldn't the people be thereby relieved of the burden of contributions for the support of the poor, indirectly, to the same extent as if it were applied for the benefit of the poor? Mr. 2tckon We object to that; it is not a Master or proper question; it is a matter for the Court to determine. overruled and exception taken. - Objection (Question withdrawn) A. I don't think so. Q. i KOMBEB OF MEETING-HOUSE- S. Witness placed the number of meetinghouses at 200. There are separate ward organizations, each owning its own meetinghouse.! j For Instance, the peopls of this city do nothave any Interest lu the meetinghouses, of Ogden, and vice versa. It is these iuter-mounta- in i s, ceivel all, in basics U.;tn ia cor :f met canal, and purncsi o ilia k. id, to as iiit tl ia their straulitcned coniitija, '" cr have they Q. liave Ucse btea A : t t been loans? A. Cfineril:y doa.i'icas. to tbose O. Sotbst the has contributed building purport's? A. To the relief j. ..L , J aThs prosperity of the , Q. (interruptirj.) Lus b?a fir the reiief of our cot country? A.whoIt are in t' ,00 religionists o, Wea, but that kiad of Q. (luterruptine.) A. Yes. dares? ouildinx relief, ti. Dissing water ditches? A. 5'ot so ranch in making water ditches as constructing largr canals. V Q. Well, canals for the purpose of opening op i i sections cf country? A. Yes, sir. Q. Were those canals for the purpose of water to the diSerent communities, conveying as they start here and there in the country; is that what you mean? A. Well, there is an occasion I have in mind now, where a settlement a dam washed out, and they had a new dam for created, or erected, and a new site selectedcontbat purpose, and it was necessary to spend siderable means in making the canal that would draw the water from theo, and the people were f unable to meet the expense, and we assisted .' them. Q. It comes out of the church fund? A. Yes, . sir. Q. And that is within the authority of the ot this church authorities in the disposition fund? A. Yes, sir. Q. As it was acquired and accumulated from year originally to year- - There has been a good deal ot litigation and law matters in ths last six or seven years; have these funds in any wav been disposed of in that expense? A. Befoie l57webad very little litigation, therefore jve didn't expend means in tbat direction. I i N Q. Didn't expend any of this fund? A. Well, v recall any. I don't v. trior to ifrfi7 commencing wiia ,o cr ana I don't recall any. EZLrnrs cohabs. Did tha ehurcbtas a church, with this GoJ search the world from pole to pole. rQ, fund take no part in the defense of cases, in ths . v And scan .ho planets as tbey roll payment of counsel fees? A. I served ia ConIn grandeur through the renlms of space, gress ten years prior to 1883 And you will never find a place Q (Interrupting.) No, after that, I mean? A. And I sever expended a dollar for tbe church in Where Clothing just as'good and nice any form during that period, and I don't recall As ours sells at such a price. Q. (Interrupting.) Now. Mr. Cannon, from The man who lives up in tbe moon 1883 down to 1S37. and perhaps later, were there Will tell you, and that very soon. not a large number of poor people belonging to There's no such bargains in the skies the church who got into difficalty, unfortunately sir. As those we daily advertise. legal difficulties with the courts? A. Yes, and Q. And did they not require assistance, were as tn Anv one who b looked at our stock of Fall Clothing will maks the same statement didn't the Church assist them those who and Caps Uats Gocds, of assortment best We the have Furnishing moon. Clothing. In the man I think likely unable to assist themselves? A. oz. Stiff Hat. Price H00. ever Shown in Salt Lake. N. U. See the ; y. they did. Mr. DUkton Assist them In what way, by employing counsel and defending cases? Mr. Varian Yes, and paying fines, etc. anyof that kind? A. ho. sir. thing Q- Costs? A. No, sir; we didn't pay any fines. Q. In what way did you assist them? A. We 15 and 17 W. SECOND SOUTH (Morlan. Blqclc). assisted their families; when they went to prison we sustained their families in the meantime. Q. How about when they went to trial, etc? A. There were, I think, arrangements made for ! - n f-- ad X."- : i - i A. F. 'SIPPERLEY & CO., .. f that.Q. MINERS, ATTENTION , I refer to what has sometimes been termed al - -- ' Tlte l.arsrovt Stock of-- OREGON TIMBRR8 ' .! i ! Write Ui for Price3, In tlio City. i ut ! ", s, i ! i 2!--4 , : - . . inier-gencyo- 11: t"S that es ii ; the crusade against your people, in cases known owned by the church as polygamous-plurnot number those marriage cases. -A. Yes, 200, so much talk about church iand State; sinohg us sir. In These meetingorganization general. has been from tue fact that! we have bees Q. Under the Edmunds law. A. Yes, sir. and controlled by tbe local to practically work aaitbe: teacaihgs houses: are owned Are the cases that I refer to people are and them. maintained by of the Savior concerning the helping of the boor; associations, with offenses under those laws, where charged e meeting-bousowned The by the they eould not protect themselves, tbe church that many of these settlements, I wish t5 say, only that are now tolerably jnourshingf in lhee church: as a whole in this Territory is tbe protected them as well as it could through its mountains, that tbe people could hot have lived Assembly Hall In this city, which Is fully funds in the way yon have-- indicated? A. In there if they had not been helped da thir reply to that, I have to say that a great deal of furnished and provided for. that was independent of any church fund. of this fund. Theie are many settleMr. asked: here Yarl:in fe' ments Q. Yes. I understand it was at least I Infer :S': 4'' Mr. CanQ. First as to the meeting-housesIt was only where it was absolutely necessary, Q. I am not asking at all, Mr. Cannon, for ths reasons: I am just asking to ascertain the fact, non; were not many of these meeting-houseby impoverishment. A. : Where; it was absoas nearly as I can. of the application. A Vell, and the; property on which they stood, acquired lutely necessary; .the funds wrte: not taken out which by donation or taxationwe for school purposes? of the gtneral churoh funds; I have myself conthat ought to be included iu the. uses': td A. Unfortunately, sir, have built meeting- tributed liberally from my private funds for I f the money put. Q. Part of this, was expended, was ilt ;not,' in houses all over this country, and because of the tbat. inexperience of our people in relation to the Q. Do I nnderstand you that that the church promoting , various business enterprises? j. A. school ; law, after the houses were erected in fund did not contribure at all? A. No, I .Yes, sir. ;t , some instances they allowed a tax to be collected wouldn't like to state it exactly tbat; but I know A. Q. For the development of the country? to a great deal of it the greater portion of it, I Yes, sir; for the development of the country, if to repair them, or to make some addition we and we have lost the property, and say. was contributed by private individuals, you may call helping the people in their' straits j . them, erect new ones, la the place thereof; may and contributing aside from the church fund. for business enterprises, why, it was used Cor that. have had toreason .why there is such a large that special purpose. , Q. It has been used to some extent, hasnlt it, .that is the ta setting on foot, business enterprise? A. amount needed of late, and still needed, to conQ. Now, the fact is, is it not. tbat the control new buildings. this fund is of absolute with the First PresVery little for that; that! is, what would be struct - Q. ' Well, have tbere not been cases here in idency and bisquite counselors it was contributed called really business enterprises very Jitt&4 ' need for with that understanding, reliance being placed City where the property to Q. It baa been used to defray the. expenses of Sait Lake meeting-hous- e purposes is ascertained belong upon their loyalty to the church, and judgment circulating literature, hasn't it, church publicaand discretion; is that it? A. Y'es. I may say tions and documents? A. 3S'o; therel bas jbeen to the sehool districts? A. Upon that principle, y;...,.. ...... .y however, that whenever it was possible that very little, hot near so much as there ought to sir. Was there not one inythe Fourteenth ' ' J' ward, there has been anything of a serious nature oc Q. - i l have been. Q. How were those disbursements tnade to where there had to be a settleraentand the curred in the way of contribution, or an approthe poor? A. The rule has been the bihdpsof money paid one way or the other? A. Yes, sir. priation, that we have availed ourselves always leach I will state a little in that; I was the original of the counsel of the Twelve. the wards have sent reports ward being credited with the' amount that the owner of the Fourteenth ward lot; while I. was Q. Well. I call them all the leaders the twelve they took possession of it for school pur- and the first presidency. - And this fund comes relief societies had supplied: the amounts j that absent built s stood name on a house in it my it; in the way of contributions from produce and had been collected from fast offerings! monthly poses, tbe school trustees, after ' the law was products in kind, does It not? A. A- great deal offerings, and they nave a column set iaparfc for for years; warme me a came aslced to and for ' .,. passed, y,.yfe"-.y( the amount needed by the poor in that; ward for fit. bad enough to ranty title. I told them it was Q.. A man that bas an animal, and no money, the six months. . r.v! f4f(j.take my lot, without having me warrant the contributes the animal if he chooses to do so; if Q. WelL do i understand you to say, fir into them after it was done. They came to be has grain, or potatoes,, or ; farm products, or stance, contributions are made in all the differ- title me with a deed.Jwhicb I afterwards he contributes in kind? A Yes. sir. ent warls bv tbe Morrnan people fofchurchj pur- tigned,; and which I have always regretted I did money, Q. And that is the way the fund has been acposes and they are permitted to retain a portion sign, because it was' intended to be church prop, cumulated, and you have maintained and. do .of this in order to meet the demands, lor; of is Fourteenth ward maintain now, stations or gathering places, in the the that erty; history of the poor in the particular wards?' 'A.. lot. different localities through the Territory, for tbe After the appropriation has been made.: Q. Well, did the church build a meeting-hous- e purpose of receiving these contributions from Q. But tne moneys that go to tbe 'poor, po dion Yes. iA. it? the people? A. Yes. from the contributions made in the djffer-eu- t rectly used A. used And And it? but Q, it; they CHCBCI ATTOBNETS. Yes. wards? i ;; Ij made an addition ..; Q. Now, prior and during the time when this Q. So that there is no part of the fund. that 6chool For and Q. purposes (Interrupting.) legislation that I speak of was enacted, did the goes directly into the hands of tbe head of itho church for a number of years? A. Yes, church as a church, through its authorities, opchurch, that is disbursed?' A. It a)f goesliuto sir; for apurposes made an of and number years; they his bands, except these monthly fast offerings addition to that pose legislation in the way of getting up the that in title being through evidence and reports, statements, witnesses and and the relkf society fundi The raonthlyjfast trustees; theit;school district took of possession it, such like? offerings are retained in the bar.dsof the bishop. and held the ownership. Mr. what. Mr, Varian? JHckton Oppose They are paid to him by the different members instana Have of been not number tbere Q. Mr. Varian Oppose the enactment of this sociof tbe church every month, and to and similar nature in ia here other ces, of, and employ eties handle their own funds, but the claim is places? A. Yes, sir that, legislation that T have spoken before the statutes were enacted' aad counsel made on tbe trustee, or was made on the trustee-in-truTHE LAW OV TITHIWO. for additional funds to meeti the wants during the time tbey were enacted. Was there i , Q. Now, if I understand you, Mr. Cannon, the not opposition of that kind presented? A. Tbere of the poor in the several wards. Q. To illustrate what I mean, so tfcn you may fund that you have been speaking ot. as derived was by our Delegate to Congress. Q. Did the church authorities expend any of understaad me, suppose in caone com f r say at by the church from the people, excluding the A. No, sir; we aided Logan, there i a certain amount of H;oiy.ribu-liou- s funds raised by the relief societies and by the these funds In that way? j raised by the members of tbfef Mormon fast offerings, is the fund derived, as Mr. Raw- him all we could. Q. In presenting evidence, and in employing Church for the support of the church Hheraj an- lins suggested, by tbe law of tithes it comes in amount needed for tbe tup that way, does it not? A. Well, it has been counsel to present the eases before ths commitnually, and a certain tees, etc, were there not expenses of that kind ort of the poor, would the amount of.tjbe. conte- called that, sir. Q. Well, I don't rest upon a name; perhaps that the church authorities made out of this ntions exceed, or be les&J ordinarily than; the mean tbe tenth? A. general fund? A. I don't recall an instance amount necessary for tho support of vtbe poor, you understand what I oeased using (he .term where we employed counsel at that time; we had say. in that locality? A. Oh, it would generally We have for many years cases that were before the Supreme Court that be less: their contributions would not be all tithing, because it was a misnomer. consumed by the poor in many instances;! Q. Well, it means the same thing? A. It was involved serious questions, that we did; but to in ' some instances it would. ,! really donations, because the tithe was not paid, employ counsel in the manner in which you In:v..yyy Would tbey send their money to 'the y O. Well, is tbat in accordance with the tenets dicate trustee-in-truhere at Salt Lake, say and then and law of the churoh? A. Which, sir? Q. (Interrupting) To appear before commitwould a portion of that be returned? Q. The requirement that all persons shall tees and such like? A. I nave no recollection Yes; that in. it would be nlaccd Subiect to his order. contribute in accordance with their means, of any such thing. Q. Were Sbellabarger fc WHon counsel for whether it was sent from there or retained there.' within a limit? A. Yes, sir. A. Q. That is a law applicable to all members in the churoh in these cases ini Washington Q. As a matter of faet, the poor would receive e, I . what they got at Logan? A. Yes. 1 ft good standing? A. I think it is a little strong They were counsel for the church in some ease a been rule that has been before the Supreme Court. to call it a law; it has , Q. And out of the contributions made at Lo Q. Mr. Chandler and- Mr. Gibson? A. Mr. among us. gan? A. There are exceptions- to that in many observed O. One of the tests 01 fellowship? A No, slr.n Gibson. I believe, was employed, but Mr. CharKk instances. 4 1 J. v. Has it never oeenr a. 1 wouian t say ler I don t think ever was. Q. Isn't that the ordinary way? Ai I Thebr-dinar- y Q. Didn't those gentlemen appear for the way. Ordinarily that would be the ease, that there have not. bee a instances none to my however, only. by report of cases church before the severalcomrcittees in Congress but in many instances there would not be suff- knowledge; icient funds in the wards to supply that demand, where men have been questioned as to their fel- upon various occasions and deliver arguments and in that event orders are given? on other lowship who did not comply with that require- and examine witnesses? A. I don't think becontiguous. It would not be the case in ment, tot it is not generally tbe case in the fore 1887, tbat they did; I don't recall that they L luces ogan, because it is a large town, but- im many Church that that is looked upon as necessary for did appear before tbat; Chandler was engaged by two Territorial officers, the Auditor and tbe places that would have to be done. ; We 'wold ieiiowsnip.O. Conformance with It, however, is taught Treasurer, Jeff Chandler, but I don't think he have to give orders on contiguous settlements! to s ; and encouraged and advised. A. Conformity ever , meet the requirements. Tbat was in the Territo-offlc- e it is recognized (Interrupting.) Q. That is to say, Logan contributed: mire with S. O. nhterrontinff) And counseled bv those In cases? A. Yes; but I don't think than would ba used for various church purposes us in any form. preachers? asA. anYesCsir; con Jeff Chandler ever appeared' for none liMrl v !j v' authority and the recognized there? A. Tes. !! of these atevidence of Q. Then, as I understand it, Y. Including the support of the poor; and the formity with it is man who reprebeing ia full faith. torneys nor other persons, : it any, less than was good standing toaconform adjoining settlement contributed with It for a consider- sented the Mormon people, 05 the chur.-h- , before tj. Failureof necessary for the poor, a demand might' be made able of the time, so as to make it marked, period Congress received any compensation-ouon Logan to furnish that deficiency? ;. Yesj would that have the effect of directing attention church funds? A. If they were regular attorneys Q. As a matter of fact, this money: so derived person so failing, by the church authorities they were either paid by the church or by the from sheep, which would go into the hands or the to the; also and think my- members of the church ; they did not work by his neighbors? A. I should would be identical trustee-- 1 that money now self, my personal knowledge, I don't know gratuitously. to into and their hands? disbursed the poor pass to any member, soarcei v. 1 the Q. That ia what I want to get at, sir. Cannon: A. Well, yes; I could say ' that thai is, not the of in relation church, whether he paid his tithing or not. they bave been paid from tbe church fund might same currency, you know, or the same coin; !:i am WeiL vour could your authorities have done that very I what tl. speaktug generaii?. Q. I mean the same Identical money that knowledge is as to tbe general result would be. properly t A. Ob. I presume they could. y would ba derived,; it would go into tho general A. 11 it were anown iuni a man didn't pay, Q. It would have been lawful? A. It would fund? A. It would go into the general fund, 'as tithing, as we call it if ho didn't make any have been without ths purview of their authority. that as necessity donations I say, and be disbursed from to the church and that were to con Q. cThey might have been paid tbat way?, A. t, ., , rwould require. If j for a long period, and it were to become Yes; there Is this that ought to be stated in conQ. W hat agency is employed by the church tinue to his fellow members, he would be nection with this question, that a great many of for the purpose 01 ascertaining who are the poor known: ; as weak in the faith. . . looked us a great many members of the church went upon needed the with them assistance? and furnishing t or would would he counbe ' ' he, down there voluntarily at their own expense Q. Well, not, ' l: -jl A. The bishops. seled and advised with in this matter? A. It is when eases of that kiud arose. I myself have Q. The bishops in the different wards? A; In possible. gone to Washington and never received any fee the different wards.;. ? :i! jl A. and is It possible for anything of the kind, and a great many Q. Publicly privately? j yteachers would talk to him about it. WHAT THE rCHD BEPRESE JtS.ff i j others did. but where there would be counsel, of that the fixed in there the Is course I dou't recall their appearing before 1887, of sum, a any Q. way in! Is see the cash $237,666.18 there hands Q. I or maximum of a man's increase or but I was not at Washington; I was away from of the Eeceiver: da you know what that repre- minimum earnings, which la to determine the the Territory or from the city at that time. ' sents? A. ; That is property this house that we annual of his donation? A. No, sir. Do you remember when Senator McDonald are now in stands on ground that had been sold question S: Judge a tenth? A. Not that I is it Broadhead appeared here and at That Q. is, across corthe way, ' by the trustee of. know this very case? A. Yes, sir. in Washington trustee-in-trusand a dener lot was sold by tbe Q. Has it ever been so a tenth? , A. I don't Q. Was their employment by the church or by mand was made upon us for that property; inno- know of any such. individuals. A. It was. by tho church. privateAnd cent purchasers had paid their money for it, and Q. Is It left to the individual's own sense of that was within the purview of the Q. we agreed to give the purchase money to the Re- what is due the church? A. Eiitirely. A. Yes, sir. authority? ceiver in lieu of this land; that forms two items; Q. i Does, or has the church iu the past, super-Vise- d Q. No question about that? A. That was the I think 43,000 was paid for. one in round numany way through its otiicers or teachers, church, of course, defending its rights and embers 42,00, and 36,000 for tbe other: then the these In contributions from individual members, counsel for that purpose. church bad derived, -as it did the gas stock, from having view their apparent means and their ploying in t, CHTJRCH LITE RA TURK. President Brigbam Young's estate, is or life? in otherwise A. My intimate prosperity street railway stock amounting I think o familiarity home affairs dates with back understand to 1864; you to say to Mr. Raw Q.f Did I $35,000 or $50,000. somewhere in that neighborwas away on missions; since lins to time I no was that of the general fund there that prior portion hood; that also formed a part of this amount WA t ' know of no such practice in the church. of the church devcted to the dissemination of that you mention. There was the gat stock; I Do you know of publio discourses upon literature? A. I won't say that there was no porthink forms a part of this no, that probably theQ.subject? A. Oh, yes. tion of it. would be separate; bat that amount consists f . Q. Addressed to the congregation or the peoQ. I didn't know whether I understood yon. Mr. Blchard Zxeuse ma, Mr. Bawlinsjwhhs as a whole? A. Yes. A very small amount of it, much less than I A. ple I make ths suggestion, that wa all know of, the Q; Which would be beard by them or pubought to bave been. thought j I I y . lished and carried into their homes? A. Yes. r75,000 y Q. Was there any special fund devoted to O. The practice in that respect has been that purpose? No, sir. , the ITS, 000, I remereber;? I am Witntst uniform, hasn't it? A. Oh, yes. Q. The issue of books and dissemination of glad you mentioned it; ths t75,tx, of that quite To inculcate this. Now, has the churoh A (interrup'ing) No, sir; there K none; never Q. amount was made in lien of this property that revenue except from its peo- has been. had been distributed by President John Taylor, any other source ofhave : indicated? A. No. ecthis legislation ple in the way you Q. TV at least had been turned over by him to the being this time while was there no portion Q. It depends, then, for all purposes of its was pt r prospective clesiastical ward corporations, in February a of the fuva expended in that way, getting up yj fore the passage of ths law. jj financial support and prosperity upon these conliterature? A. No, sir. A." It tributions or tithes? A. Yes, these voluntary Mr. Dictnon Personal property? as we term them. Q. For the inspection of Congress and the this morning; and in donations, was mentioned Q. And as you have stated, this fund, so country? A. There were contribution made order to prevent any other litigation eominsr, is used for all purposes of ths church? very freely by members of tbe church who were on that expecting to settle it entirely, it was A. All church purposes such as I have described in funds to all these purposes, and they didn't agreed that we should pay ITS, 000; a ure-.- t deal religious and charitable purposes. come out of the general church fund; at the of that property had been consumed, and it w?s Q. Well, if there was any other purpose, the time, you know, that this property was seized old properly, and this compromise: that was church would have no other fund upon which to there was a great deal of feeling on the subject, made that forms part of this fci7,OJ0. draw.: A. So. and the time that mention, when the attaoks I as 175.000, the understand all Then except Q. Then has It In the past devoted this fund, were made under you law of 1SS7. there was a the It, was turned over In liau of real estate which of Q. which is a part lam confininz mvself to great deal of feeling, that is, the people were had been disposed of,'Y"es. supposed to represent the Lthis fund this in controversy solely to these religious excited and willing to contribute liberally to consideration? A. ' j and charitable purposes that say. or have defend. Mr. Dickson Kot all real estate?' A J So; there been business purposesyou to which baa before it but Yes, that, Q. commencing with estate--or of were two real there pieces been devoted? A. I don't recall any business 1822, when the other law was about and lSbl was a rice of real estate purposes that rather three;, there tbey have devoted funds to; la A. Well, sir. as I happened to up here. &"500, on tbe other side of the street, ch order to have income, there were means put la be in(Interrupting. I can state. emCongress in 1SS1 and I t South Temple, and these two pieces. i In the Z. C. M. I., as we call It there was not a dollar spent. phatically Wells corner? A. that is, Zion's Mercantile InstiQ. This piece and the Q. Was tbere any of it spent by the authorities That settlement was mude with - the ' tution, and the income from tberu was used for In the wav of keeping up newspapers, aiding the and the Government, I believe. the payment of hands, and for other purposes; church principles or otherwise? A. No, sir. Q. 80 that the total amount derived from the It went into the general fund, and was used as a Q. But the result of it is that whatever purwas deemed by the church authorities compromise of the oreal estate ws how much ? part of the general fund. pose thousand and odd A. There was forty-twQ,i Has ic been loaned to members of the necessarv for their church, tbe moneys may be th usund and church for tne purpose of enabling them to get expendet eitb at purpose, and It Is within the in one piece, and thirty-siodd dollars In another, as I remember.' : stock, ia farming or UKricalture. or anything of scope of their authority A. Yes. that kind, upon sscurity. lto be returned? Q. This $75.1X3, how was that cttaiad. tt Q. The peop'.a give it to them for that pur- ib.it ia, to from what 6ource derived? A. rron funds cf A. Only so far as I have allu-the church; we raised it and gave cct tctes f;f ray kaowl-isstruslii j t.t tj;z:j t:v ro meeting-hous- Variously-controll- ed ETC. cx-oxinisr- MORRIsbN, & CO.. 241 X3ortb. Ttiird. Weeb. - ; v i . -- J.-- i ; MW s t 1 t 't-"- 1 r semi-annuall- ::: .y-'-- y, quit-clai- To renew To scrub floors. To whiten marble. ia clean tombstones. b clean dishes. To renovate paint. To wash out Binks. To remove rust. oil-clot- h. fo polish knives,1 : - r- USES IT. EVERYBODY m - Dtltts to class false forth, fergoM to p!!sht!i!' Instruments, the-suppo- rt ; t nsiatan claan; off saijf sees. rnrlnerrs to clean Eoasesialds ts scrub ths Mat he artlata to e!aa tbclr pslrtua. WhaelnataclMaMeela. Carv. rs te sbrpa their knla. RhrawdoB to seoar old straw Soldier brtctitm tlwlr Baaoators to alcaa aarpata. parts of waelilnss. ministers tornorU old ehre!s. Sstons to clua t t ailwtoncs. . MosMerana brwrt n units korasa. ifeot)Mrtosor heirpA iehiilratbrlBta Ihclrsoola Inoka t clean th kttrhna (Ink. I; To brighten xnetaS To scour bath-tub- i To scour kettles. Cheiiilftstatsnsvssensstslsa ' EVgRY ONE FINDS A NEW USE- - j the-relie- st IPMM PABST I - i r - ' '' - ' ' ! SOIsD ; i ,: f: 33. : st , ' S9t " " inr s j i i cniUf , 4- , . - j - fasffwrwioff - a0LUK;j L RETAIL PfclCE. OO ceota per pound, es 15 : 11 i tht - - il - ii tif; VAN HOUTEN'S S I,. 90c. '- - ( ( 93 cups cf Coffee, Ifjo " cups. half-pi- nt vr J .1.1 1 "73 "V.H.Cocoal Sold by every Clrocer. Hi - - t, ............ , . "V. II. Cocoa" also 90c. " 150 Which is' the Cheaper Drink? iu-- - in-tru- st: IS. 15, 17 and 10. C03IMiCUClAL STRSCTa lb. pf good coffee costs at least 30c, makes 31 1 s. - ..;--- Sole Afjentp, t COCOA ( Best & Goes Farthest") seems to bej jhigh. Let us compare it with the price of Coffee:; - BlarcixTa0- - . 1- -; CO., Conts a pound for t - PEft (U ART BOTTLS. MLPLEASE. 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