Show I SECOND SESSION OF MURRAY DEBATE Discussion in the theS S Second Ward Meetinghouse i k Last Night 1 ClAIM LAIM OF YOUNG JOSEPH JOSEPHf f the Topic During the t ChAin pIon Ion Inkell flitter I It l ThI l lon ot f Ih the bo be bow w wee i n J l i curU ot of th lh ll chur h A of Dt the tho I Church of Jesus Jsu Christ ot of Wan ns hed hi the tho Murray lUrra Second vad d ht evenIng The Tho first hour wp vps f to tho Irn or of young oung Jo Joach ii III ach Jh to to b ho 0 his hh tat ers 1 I successor der at I I tho hO t s on hour to the ut r the n s with You Young n S at Ir head to the theus us thc Quorum t i ot t tho c ChUrch reh f the Brat speaker nt at 1 the proposition After Arter preliminary remarks ho p Bitler Lahs tIo tho night aI declared that Zenas IL H Gurley 1 h hild ld no UI the original l 3 Church fl while It wa well known wn that ho he W DrIggs held tha priest priestL L hood before the tho death of It the Smith ito lIo declared that Endel Eade hat the I Idea there WitS was no nc thought of young oung Joseph until about 16 years after aCter the martyrdom but this Wals not the tho tor or the St SL LoUis Louls Led Leti Ledger ger hat mentioned It hut but I a few tew after the Ot of Jo and Hyrum r that William Smith Geog J Adams nad others mentioned It all a arlY i as a and Smith had t up In of young Josoph end had proclaimed him to bo be the th as So 80 it Il not true that I Hwa a Invented In 1860 The tJ wore lu he said nt JosePh SmIth awl appointed 1111 hI sn on nt at II t ti i c before th martyrdom Firt Ln Liberty Jerly Jail as testified to by Lyman once onea In a public meet meetIng meetIng Ing In n In the tho winter just i the m and agaIn IlI as ho he was home to go to In InJUn JUnt JUn i 1844 These wore tosti to by numerous witnesses James JamesS S Whitehead lied had that young oung J hati been I called and anointed by his jils In Nauvoo at I a pUblic meeting S m ent Js In substance as fol Ho recollected a meeting held In In the winter ot of 1843 at Jeph Smith appointed his There Thero present on the itan et at the time Joseph Smith who did the talkIng Smith Julio John Johni i Taylor Richards Ebenezer George 1 Adams and oUt oth oUtes ef es On this day Joseph Smith called Ills his son Coil to the stand and appointed him i hiu successor no Ito was Willi oil anti before th as James Whitehead wal In error when whon he nid Buill thI was all an ho should have 1 said Mid Tho rhe priesthood l Mr Ir I father son This Ia the state J ot of lie tho revelation n section 17 h er ln It I rec recorded 0 riled T The ho order ot oL Ii priesthood Will aa to 10 bo bot e t 1 handed tr m father to son and f rightly belongs to the Iho chosen seed to f ij whom the tho made This i 1 refers reterS to 10 the priesthood L said Mr Curtis CurUA and surely the sons ions i 0 ot J O Se Smith r IO nOt ot bo b barred barrOd t I lI lie also several passages n from I f the Do and perverting f tho bo moaning as he did In this passage z Ina In a vain lIln attempt t to 1 show that Joseph Smiths ilonA Were hel heirs to the priest t hood notably verso verse 9 l SC 81 and the tho statement In the tIO or at Jan Jail i lU Jo 1841 wherein promises were made thrOugh Smiths scott to theet the of that tho generations were to he blessed through them This must be said sald lie he tor It Is a rovela tion bia Jo Joseph eph Smith Is n a talo taIo d It li o hold the tho priesthood anti sire all in the The In section 14 H did not pertaIn tU u the tho boardIng louO but bitt to thu blessing ot on the oldest son Joseph Jr of salti b Was by his father end lies never to any uny hut Plo te original I Church This was also true ot o w y Zenas JL IL anti oU 1 lr i tt t tho e whoso hoo Elder Ehler R had huil tried to destroy They rho tro iero never 1 CI hilt 1111 alWays ers tilo tho orl original Church and held th the J p hi the tho day ot of Jo In Inclusion conclusion Mr Curtis t stated that Joseph Josoph Smith of at L Lamoni W as the tho ono one mighty might and strong spoken V kd if t in the Stud 1111 lie hn wa corn com 1 by revelation to to 10 toi i I Join the tho church 11 i Liam Willi foyer cut the tho ChUrch had In that statement i i hUll the tha record fIJO llo was merely removed as president hItti council ot or ta kl hail heen U a follower ff Qt of the tho true truo faith and lie hI promis 1 great areat s and lintl authority to 10 the tho IiI i Prophet Smith These men never a 1 now church and were ivero but onCe POINTED OUT In III rep reply Elder that Mr dr Curtis wi was I In error wherein ho he had stated that the previous night the statement ivas mache that Elder hud never held the priesthood The Tho statement most matte that Elder Zenas Zenall U IL the tho senior president o of the Quorum ot of seventy a Position nod of flee that has haa been repudiated by the tho lenders ot of the tho Reorganization them themselves selves foil Mr the founders ot of the Reorganization lion At first drat the they with the tho Church and followed Brigham You Young ilK then they followed James 3 Smith and finally organized n a church ot or their own Will William I alii Marks did no better he first supported the tho claims ot of Sidney later In Ina 1 a publiC statement that the Ihl twelve apostles were the tho proper authorities to lend lead the tho Church When Whon he ho joined James J StranK Strang and In that II a then thell thena 1 a member of at the council anti a counselor to James J 3 Strang In the presidency of at his apostate or organization And those these the men who Young Joseph prest dent ot of the Reorganized church After passing through the tho ot of James Jumes S J Strang William Smith Sid fey and Charles U Thompson they were taken into Inlo the tho reorganize reorganization tion on theIr orIginal That they hold any after this procedure Is beyond beroll nil all reason In correcting the or of Eldor CUrtis he said that William Marks was ata at a conference In by bIt the saints with the tho tion ot of two otes unanimously And without the sanction ot of the tho Church ho he could not act In the priesthood In re regard regard gard to the tho testimonies of William Marks Janies and John S Carter they had forgotten all about these ordinations and 01 on the Sib day of August when the Question ot of n a successor was discussed James stated that the Pro Prophet phet called his son and ordained him himIn himIn In the tho presence ot of at least her Sons son II yet et on that day not one olle remain bored the tho occurrence which It was al ai occurred just a short time bo be boI before tore fore the martyrdom The rhe I of those these menns men its to the tho ordination or appointing of at Joseph Smith as his fathers successor wore were after atter thoughts on the tha part Of these men nAD hAl DESCENDED Eider l Jades ads II niso quoted m many pius lingos from the and providing that the office ot of ot of the high priesthood did not descend from father to son that It never hall hail so descended Moses who had sons Ions chose hua the son ot of Nun and thus It had Il been Jeu There are but bitt two offices In the that do descend through lineage ot of pa patriarch and bishop When Mr Ir Curtis quoted from section he h misconstrued th Ihl pea PILI sage which It IB i plain to coo Iea refers reters to 10 the order ot of patriarchs and ami not the priesthood That Byrum Smith this office front from his hla fath or b by blessing and also by right and It was the birthright not net the office ot of presIdent ot of the Church Moreover In that Smith wits re lC removed moved from the tho of at counselor itt In the Iha fIrst presidency antI was WILli called to tobe he be 1 a prophet seer and president ot of the Church c wIth Joseph Smith dod that ho received tho tha keyS of the and blessinGs ot of Oliver Cow tiery by which the WIllI mad that through hits hili I seed O its welt well n in through the sects of Joseph Smith all nations or nr generations be blessed And the I eod ot of Byrum SmIth were not with the tho Ito lIo stated that the tho ot Of the tho high priesthood t of high prIests who are aro chosen hIP bY the body anti It if so chosen It Cannot JO hO by line linene ne age See ISel Doctrine and Covenants see sea lion 22 James was most emphatic In III his statement that the prophet ordained his hili son lion ea his sue suc ceasor hI h goes IOS Into and tells Us ott wh were present and that It was dollO before ot of the tho Joseph Smith ot of the Reorganization denies nil all this and It Is fruitless for lider Curtis CUIUS tn it for I Eider lder who prevaricated under oath UI pt of 1111 tho those o present on that occasion Is the tha ani only ono one who remembers the oc although It was WIUS but bitt before the It If any such ur or ordination or calling had taken It would have been considered ou on the th lay day of August when the tho question a f succession wits discussed But at that time It WI wai not once thought ot of by Whitehead or any other one of the tho who present when It wa al sUpposed to have taken place This Th statement t had been bY Ir CUr Curtie tie that the tho his on 1011 tM the lord SI otherwise ke keIt keys of It the ft remained I Joe tI Smith but tut fC tt to the Church ChurchIn K In assuming the Iho of the prof propositIon Elder Eldor EIlIe showed that tit the AlJ Apostles were vero in ant and that the they were vest Cd I with every power and priesthood to loath the in the ot of or destruction ot of the tho drat presidency DITTER IN Elder Ehler Curtis CUrti In eh spent the tho greater part of the tho titus reading from th the Journal ot Discourses real lI made In early to ro MOl blood atonement Ute the led God head hearl etc ete was waif toast bitter In his hili remarks To this attack Eider l J will probably reply tonight Elder EMr Curtis stated that Joseph Smith ot of the tho William Marks Marka Jason JaMn IV V ami nd OurleY Gurley ho bo to the tho original Church were baptized d hut once yet they antI call their church the fleer church and not th the original Church |