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Show I uuuj', iv Lay STf Ljjk IHt artGNrOSl 3 DEBATE (continued from page 1) but it must understand the will of the people." A community's right for the government to execute it's will in regard to obscenity does not conflict with the First Amendment, he said. Rather, applying community standards creates a freedom of speech "release valve," protecting publishers from the judgements of a few, and subjecting their materials to well-defined precedents. "In what way shall the rights of the people be inhibited by Constitutional restraints?" he said. "Should, or can, the court stop the people from establishing a moral climate?" "Whatever (obscenity) is, it is immeasurable," Hentoff said. Because each person has his or her own definition of obscenity "it is too objective for legal sanction," he said. "The First Amendment says nothing about obscenity or pornography. It's a judge-made law," he said. "They didn't think the framers of the Constitution were good enough." He called going after por-nographers a waste of time. "(There is no) big hook in the sky forcing people into those things." An audience member asked whether the Federally-funded National Endowment for the Arts should be allowed to grant money to one artist and not another. Hentoff and Meese agree that there should be no NEA at all. "It's an elitist bunch of nepotists," Hentoff said. He would rather see the money put into arts materials and classes for children. Meese said it is a poor idea to give money to a few people to distribute it as they wish, according to their own taste in art. Both Meese and Hentoff warned against the move by both conservatives and liberals to enforce "politically correct" speech: vocabulary and speech void of racist, sexist and homophobic references."We must preserve the right of people to make outrageous statements," Meese said. "The answer to offensive speech is more free speech ... show by reason or logic how foolish such statements are." Hentoff said he will no longer talks about issues such as abortion and affirmative action because he doesn't always use "politically correct" terminology. The political left is "so convinced of their righteous- f VI I Ml I I1 if i FOLLY ililislls JIM SAWDEYWE SIGNPOST WSU POLITICAL Science Professor Roydon Julander, right, makes a point Thursday In a debate with Bcisii Dunn of the John Birch Society. ; "It must be some kind of plot to turn me into a Republican," he said. X But he disagreed with Dunn's assessment of the New Order, saying that if Bush was really trying to give U.S. power away to the U.N., why would he give it a name and call attention to it. : : : : "He obviously isn't going to tell us the truth if he was going to sell us out," Julander said. - ffi s Dunn was wrong about how the U.N. Declaration of Human Rights works, he said, adding : that any law a country has overrides any law the U.N. makes. 'Except as restricted by law," Julander : quoted Dunn. "He failed to say that restrictions recognize the sovereignty of nations because national law overrides it," he said. "Bush has not : done anything to deny soveirgnty. To suggest it is jumping the gun." Several questions from the audience seemed to support Julander's criticism of Dunn's argu- ;::ment.i;;!ffi "Do you still believe (Dwight D.) Eisenhower is a Communist?" one student answered. "We didn't say that," Dunn said. "You introduced a disease on this campus," : another member of the audience said. "You're devious by not disclosing your previous history." sss "It was an interesting presentation but it would be nice if it was based in fact," another said . ; i : a : : ; "Even if I do buy into your conspiracy, what do you propose as a solution?" another asked. "We're not seeing a huge numbers of conspirators," Dunn answered. "If the U.N. is establishing a World Order and the U.S. takes the central role, why would the ;: U.S. lose rights instead of imposing rights?" another asked. "We'd love that to happen," Dunn answered. (continued from page 1) rections, communists will seize power. He points to the formation of New World : Order as evidence that events are about to take: place. "(Bush) is obviously envisioning a United : Nations that is much more powerful than it is today," he said. Dunn's argument is that when the U.N. gains power, the Soviet Union will gain power because it is a powerful member of the U.N. The U.N. will be : : able to make human rights laws in individual : countries, wage war between countries, disarm ; countries and ultimately decide what type of governments each country will have. "The Soviets will havea profound influence on the New World Order," he said. : : When the Communists, who he said arebegin-: ning to call themselves Democratic Socialists, will change laws that will take away human rights. He sites the U.N. Declaration of Human Rights, which states that people have rights except as "dictated by law." If the New World Order gives the U.N. the power to dictate laws, that organiza : tion will take rights away and impose the ideology of Communism. ; Bush has thejhelp of about 400 powerful government officials working for the New World ? Order, he said. : : To all of Dunn's remarks, Julander took exception.Julander, a political science professor for 31 years and former Democratic state legislature from : Ogden, said he found it ironic that he was defend- :: ing George Bush, a Republican. MALCOLM (continued from page 1) care of your own business but that you have the right to bear arms in the United States." Contreras said the reason he brought up the resolution to honor Malcolm X was to create an awareness of a man who was misunderstood and to recognize him. Mutaz Al-Qirim, technology senator, said he had no problem with Malcolm X or his ideas, but he did have a problem with the resolution. "We are in the 20th century and we're trying to recognize a man who advocated a separation of the races, based on the color of their skin," he said. "It is ridiculous, it is insane, that we are looking at a person who wants to separate the races when at the same time we are trying to say that nobody isdifferent,nobody'sbctter." ness and virtue" many wish to suppress all ideas which do not mesh with their own, he said. On the issue of having prayer at graduation services, Meese said it was strange that Congress and the Supreme Court begin their sessions with prayer, but students at graduation cannot. Hentoff said Thomas Jefferson did not allow prayer in government meetings during his administration and that prayer has been toyed with only since then. The First Amendment shows that no religion shall be preferred by the state, Hentoff said. There should be a well-defined wall between the government and religious worship. z & & ? f WE'LL ERASE YOUR COLLEGE LOAN. 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