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I'i Ii I'ia ' a a . a h hTHE + ltM ltMI I A AuJiMl uJiMl & * THE TWO GOVERNORSis GOVERNORS is , the original painting by John Mulvany m in the Brevoort hotel Chicago and here reproduced for forthe forthe the first time , , by courtesy ot of the management ot of the Brevoort ) ? By ELMO SCOTT WATSONe WATSONB WATSON ' e B Western Ncwsplper newspaper l ' < ewspaper UnionT UnionT Union Union'TS 'TS TS ' T S a long time between drinks " ' " I ' Everybody knows that s what the governor of NorthCarohna NorthCarolina North [ Carolina Carohna said to the governor of South CarolIna Carohna CarolInautwho Carohnaut Carolinaiutwho utwho ut who knows for sure , which governor said it , to whom whomas as addressed , or when and where and under what Clr- Clr cir- cir Clrtanees cirtances cir-stances cir stances - - tanees tances it was uttered ? ' ' ' For , as so often happens in m theof theof the ' of an historic hlstonc utterance , there's theres ' some dispute about all tt e po-nts po nts po.nts ponts posits . - < | positswn wn m in North CarolIna CarolInaever Carolma Carolmaever Carolinaever . ever there s no doubt on onofthem onof oncfthem ofthem of them Natives of that thatw thatwill thati will w l tell you the IncIdent IncIdentstarted incidentstarted mcidentdi IncIdenth h started that saying on onay onay onfay ay to immortality lmmortahty took tooke e just lust a hundred years yearsthis yearstlus this tlus monthand month and if 1f you youen youen youpen en to be tra\ tra tray tra\elmg tra elmg traelmg \ elmg eking on onte onte90betsleenRaleigh onte te te90betsleenRaleigh te90betsleenRaleighand 70 between betveen Raleighand Raleigh and andham andham andham ham they will point pomt out outou outon outu ? ou on the house where Govard Govand Gov Govard Northdma ard and B Dudley of Northobna North Northuna obna dma una said to Gov Pierce Pierceon Pierce"n Piercen " on Butler of South Caro betweenks betweenkst It CaroIt Ii s ; a long time between betweeniks betweeniksonly ks kst ' ' insertedther msertedther ksonly kstonly - - -only only - he mserted inserted ther wordm wordin word in m that sent sente sentto e to make snake it more em be tic emhe embe emtic ' r . rre of verof re storye lie the a IS the story North 111 carolma Carolina ver veri i e ; hosPltabe hospitable theMrs ] ehome home of t the thewolaor Mrs } , frs Nancy Jones be1 be- be - - 1 , Paeigh Palegh bePaeigh Paeighand Paleghand ] ( and Durham was tamed tomed to notable VIsitors e 1838e ever on a June day m 1838 Was a great flurry m in the ebod ehold ] for ( WO we governorWO governorwe wolaor Were not one governor governor3m Jones 3m . . "fviudcmng fviudcmng approachmg approaching " Wlule While wnueclones supervised household householdservants for & dinner droner Laney Laney'dean Laneydean ' , prepara dean of t tleS115 leS115 e hurnede hurriede servants " hurried hurned hurriedM lI11nt must bed at tr the mi : back uacK door aoor dISpatched dISpatchedanother M ed "other other another " slave to . "me me some Sane " om , cool waterorth water waterS lle waterlle Gov S . Edward wardB B Dudley orlh orth Gov Dudleyarolina ? n Butler CarOlina arolina and 9 Gov - PIerce e e.uica chatted chattedover over their S Laney hovered . e old oid oldwoman oidwoman hoverednearby > -.uica .uica - nearby nearoy woman Lstened listened ter t . a " K6 1I1dlctment indictment BaiCtm ? " of . the home homes homesoapir s sbla1Jly sback bla1Jly bla1Jlyassa backassailed assa assailed ed her . . , ears She back oapir ack to 4- 4 4ji - the ji jio.i.o ' - * ' -o.i.o oi.o o.i.o oio - ouyIS kltche kItchen kitchenI " I ! ss sth sthho the t tS Nancy ho M horrified horrifiedservant S red redservaYou did servaYou you heahnt heah heahmere d . d . Did servant nt WhIS You hear MlStah Mistah whut dey Bald said " 'a a ' Hit llit it a Governor , 7 , L'udley Ludley Dudey Dudley L'udley"ndrmks ' ] s a damn een "ndrmks ndrmks " dnnks drinks amn long onetlrne time gend dnnksgend drinksgendsays gendsayS sayS that there was such bbl11g bbing 10 m the mmt mint bed such raWing raving c of ofwater water , and such cng ding ng of the a there mere butler that there "ii-ieEmaUta "ii ii ieEmaUta " - Was wac ? no "asion asion OccasIOn " " for smaU small talk talkTable talkTable ' Table Preserved ! at of Preservedat Preservedof atonly ofOnly only WIll North . . . . you Carolimansyou the Carolimans Carolinians Carolimansb b he househe e Durham Nancy Jones house u a go to the latter Raleigh road but e maye mayermitted ermitted rnltted to tonee city JOU may hich ch the ie two "ee ee nee " the ver very table governors did their thelf drinking drInkmg For it is preserved preservedin preservedm m in the home of Mrs C Trenholm Trenhoim TrenholmMcClenaghan TrenhoimMcClenaghan TrenholmMcClenaghan McClenaghan a great grand granddaughter granddaughter granddaughter daughter of Mrs Nancy JonesJourney JonesJourney Jones JonesJourney Journey to Columbia S C Chowe"er Chowever Chowever howe"er howeer however " and you will hear anoth another another another er version of the story and be beshOffi beshorn besho\/n besho n shO\ffi shO ffi shorn \ / another house m in which the thehIstonc thehistoric thehistoric hIstonc historic mcident mCldent incident is said Sald to have havetaken havetaken havetaken taken place This house was the thehome thehome thehome home of L D Childs first presl press presldent pressdent president dent of the Carolina Carolma NatIOnal NatIOnalbank Nationalbank Nationalbank bank in m Columbia When James JamesL L Orr of Anderson S C became becamegovernor becamegovernor becamegovernor governor in m No\ No Not Noember No\ember No ember \ ember 1865 1865there 1865there 1865there there was no executive mansIOn mansIOnaV'lllable mansionavailable mansionaviilable aV'lllable aVlllable available ' for him in m Columbia So Sohe Sohe Sohe he accepted the mvitation mVltatlOn invitation of his hisfnend hisfriend hisfriend fnend friend ' Childs C'hJlds ChJlds to occupy a par por partlon portion portion tlon tion of his homeThere homeThere home homeThere There he was visited ( date not notgiven notgiven notgiven given ) by his friend fnend Gov Jon Jonathan Jonathan Jonathan athan Worth of North Carolma Carolina Carolmawho Carolinawho Carolinawho who took office in m his state m In De- De Do- Do December Doember De December - cember ember 1865 There accordingto accordmgto accordmg according to this version of the yarn the thechief thechief thechief chief executive of the Tarheels Tarheelsgae Tarheelsgate Tarheelsga\e Tarheelsga e ga\e ga e gate \ voice to a gentle hint hmt about abouthis abouthis abouthis his thirst m in the words which are arestill arestill arestill still used wherever drinks are aredrunk aredrunk aredrunk drunk and drunks drink drmk drinkAnother drinkAnother Another Version VersionStill VersionStill VersionStill Still another version of the fa famous famous famous mous yarn identifies neither the thetwo thetwo thetwo two governors nor the date of theIr theIrhlstonc theirhistoric theirhistoric hlstonc historic meeting meetmg although Raleigh Raleighis IS given as the place This Trus story storyis IS as follow follo\\ follo follos follows folloSome followsSome \ s sSome Some white fugitives from South SouthCarolma SouthCarolina SouthCarolina Carolma Carolina found refuge in m North NorthCarolma NorthCarolina NorthCarolina Carolma Carolina The governor of South SouthCarolma SouthCarolina SouthCarolina Carolma Carolina demanded their return returnbut returnbut . but the governor of North Caro Caro- Carolma Carolina Carolina - - lina lma for political reasons was wasunWIlling wasunwilling wasunwilling unWIlling to grant the request A Aheated Aheated Aheated heated correspondence followed followedand followedand followedand and finally the governor of the theTarheels theTarheels theTarheels Tarheels invited mVIted his hJS fellow executive exec executlve executive utlve utive to a banquet m in RaleIgh RaleIghThere RaleighThere RaleighThere There the governor of South Caro Caro- Cara CaroIma CaraTina Carolina - lina Ima Tina made a speech m in which he heagam heagain heagain agam again demanded the return of the thefugitives thefugitives thefugitives fugitives and ended up by turnmg turning turningto to the North Carolmian CarolInian and ask askIng asking mg Ing What do you say , gover governor governor7 nor ? ' Thereupon the governor of ofNorth ofNorth ofNorth North Carolina Caroma ] replied I say sayit sayit sayit it s a long time between drinks drinksA A variation on this version versionplaces versionplaces versionplaces places the meeting meetmg of the two gov governors governors governors ernors not far from the state OOe line OOeI lineIa lineis I Ia South Carolma CaroOOa Carolina ( instead mstead of ofRaleigh ofRaleigh ofRaleigh Raleigh ) where its executive executivehmted executivehinted executivehinted hmted hinted that he had state militIa militIaassembled militiaassembled militiaassembled assembled to back up his demand demandCor demandfor demandfor Cor for the return of a runaway slave slavemstead slaveInstead slaveinstead ( mstead Instead of some white fugitives fugitivesOne ) One version has Gov Zebulon B Vance of North Carolma Carolina makmg making makmgthe makingthe makingthe the famous reply to Gov Wade WadeHampton WadeHampton WadeHampton Hampton of South Carolma Carolina while whileanother whileanother whileanother another credits it to Gov JohnM John JohnM JohnM M Morehead of North CaroOOa Carolina CaroOOawIthout Carolinawithout Carolinawithout wIthout identifying Identlfymg the governor governorof of South CarolinaStill Carolma Carolina CarolmaStill Still another version says that thatGovernor thatGovernor thatGovernor Governor Morehead made the re remark remark remark mark not to a governor of South SouthCarolma SouthCarolina SouthCarolma Carolma Carolina but to Henry Clay The Theremark Theremark Theremark remark had political signIficance signIficancemeanmg significancemeaning significancemeaning meanmg meaning merely that the party to towhIch towhich towhich whIch both of these gentlemen be- be belonged belonged be belonged - - longed had not been m In power for fora fora fora a long time Hence the metaphor metaphorIt It s a long time betvi bet\\ bet bets beteen \ \ een eendrmks eendrinks eendrinks drmks drinks drinksA A D Different ferent LocaleAnd Locale LocaleAnd And finally there s the version versionwhich versionwhich versionwhich which takes the locale of the mCI mCIdent mcident mcident dent away from either of the Car Carolmlans Carolinians Carolmians olmlans olinians although agreeing agreemg with a aversIOn aversion aversion versIOn already cited m in havmg having havmgGovernor havingGovernor havingGovernor Governor Vance of North Carolma Carolina Carolmaand Carolinaand Carolinaand and Governor Hampton of South SouthCarolma SouthCarolina SouthCarolma Carolma Carolina as he two participants participantsIt It says sa s that the incident mCldent took tookplace tookplace tookplace place at White Sulphur SpringsW SprmgsW Sprmgs Springs W Va where m in 1858 was built a ahotel ahotel ahotel hotel known as Old WhIte WhItepredecessor Whitepredecessor Whitepredecessor predecessor of the present Green Greenbrier Greenbrier Greenbrier brier hotel at the placeFor place placeFor For years White Sulphur had hadbeen hadbeen hadbeen been the favorite favonte summer resort resortof resortof resortof of all the smart people of the theSouth theSouth theSouth South and it soon became the cus custom custom custorn tom for the governors of the thesouthern thesouthern . southern states to meet there for fortwo fortwo ' two weeks during dunng the summerVance summer summerVance 'I I for'I 'Itwo Vance and Hampton had been beenfriends beenfriends beenfriends friends before the Civil long war warbut warbut warbut but after they had been elected electedgovernor electedgovernor electedgovernor governor of their respective states statesstate statesstate statesstate state rivalry nvalry had kept them apart apartespecially apartespecially apartespecially especially m social mtercourse intercourse mtercourseDurmg intercourseDuring intercourseDuring Durmg During one of these summer summermeetmg summermeetmg summermeetings meetmg " , they met at the bar mOld mOld m mOld Old White where a famous famousmmt famousmint famousmint mmt mint julep was the favorite drmk drink drmkThen drinkThen drinkThen Then it was that Hampton is sup sup- supposed supposed supposed - - posed to have said to Vance It s sa sa sa a hell of a long time tune between betweendrmks betweendrinks betweendrinks betweendrinksIncidentally drmks drinks drinksIncidentally Incidentally the bar at wh wr wi ch chthey chthey chthey they are supposed to have stood stoodon stoodon stoodon on that occasion is still preserved preservedat at White Sulphur When the theGreenbner theGreenbrier theGreenbner Greenbner Greenbrier was built m in 1913 Old OldWhite OldWhite OldWhite White was partially dismantledThe dismantled dismantledThe dismantledThe The oak bar top said to have been been60 60 feet long and m in one sohd solid pIece pIecewas piecewas piecewas was cut up to make the front desk deskof deskof deskof of the present hotel thereOft there Oft OCt Told TaleThe Tale TaleThe The principal prmcIpal evidence m in sup support support support port of the belief that Dudley and andButler andButler andButler Butler were the tbe two governors m in mvolved involved mvolved volved m In the famous long tune time tunebetween timebetween timebetween between drinks drmks incident mCldent is the thetestunony thetestimony thetestimony testunony testimony of Joel D WhItnker Whitaker WhItnkerWhitaker WhitakerWhitaker WhitakerWhitaker Whitaker was the grandson of the theWIdow theWidow theWidow WIdow Jones from whom he often oftenheard oftenheard oftenheard heard the tale as it is related relatedhere relatedhere relatedhere here and the father of Mrs C CTrenholm CTrenhoim CTrenholm Trenholm Trenhoim McClenaghan of Ra Ra1elgh Raleigh Raleigh 1elgh leigh . to whom he handed down downboth downboth downboth both the tale and the table preVI preVIously previously previously ously mentioned m in this article artlce ] - If indeed mdeed it was Governor Dud Dudley DudIcy Dudley ley Icy of North Carolina CaroOOa and Gover Governor Governor Governor nor Butler of South Carolira who whowere whowere whowere were responsible for this famous famousbon famousbon famousbon bon mot they are worthy of more morethan morethan morethan than passing passmg mention especially especiallysmce especiallysince especiallysince smce since both men had mterestmg interesting mterestmgcareers interestingcareers interestingcareers interestingcareersDudley careers careersDudley Dudley was born in m Onslow Onslowcounty OnslowCounty Onslowcounty county N C December 15 1787 1787the , the son of a wealthy planter who whohad whohad whohad had reprecocnted represented repre ' = 'ented ented ' his county m the thestate thestate thestate state legislature for several severalyears severalyears severalyears years The son grew up on his hisfather hisfather hisfather father ItS toIits ownershipHe ownership s estate and succeeded hisI to toItS toI |