Show TESTIMONY IN PACKERS CA CASE t Taking of it Begins Attorneys Having Failed on Statement Of Facts ADVICE GIVEN TO CLIENTS rower of nf Commissioner to Compel K Meeting With Described Chicago Jan Jon 23 All efforts by b the he attorneys In tho the packers case to reach an agreement upon the facts at nt Issue having hallig failed Culled the tue case Cc was wu resumed to today today day and the taking of evidence vii rae commenced The Tue witness waa Louis C holY hoff of oC New cw York Vork formerly general counsel for Armour Co lie wa was laS placed on un the Um stand slant to 10 narrate his In with sith lIh Commissioner of oC Carper Corpor Corporations alIens ut lit the tho Chicano Chicago dun clu April 13 1005 when tho the packers Mr Garfield said things UK IhL lii Import of oC which was wall that If IC be lie the Information for Cor which he asked I the packers should never be prosecuted criminally Judge Humphrey ruled that If It were true that hat the puckers packers had hl divulged evi eI evidence en dence denee against themselves under pros pre pressure presure sure from the government It would be ire competent to 10 show the nature of tire tl legal were WON actIng under which the defendant I then asked him sold eald Mr Ir Kraut Krauthoff hoff hof whether wo we were iere re to bo be Protect ed eti In case of oC dishonest special agents He lie Ie assured me are of oC this IrIs und awl said salti that we 0 were by the low law the th source of his hl Information being n a I se so ciet clet 1 I asked oskell him about abou some of ot this Information getting to 10 time the the tho of or justice and amid even oven to department lie le told toM me to II have no tic apprehension on 01 that subject I 1 then the risked asked what 1150 the tIme president of the tho States wished wl hed to 10 make of oC the Information Ho lie with wih emphasis that lint of oC course cour e the lie president of n a great nation nalon would not allow allos Illow anything to happen to 10 Which any on nn ann could take exception llo lii I further aM alt that where whore Jure earl data came caine from unquestionable sources time the oath was WIS not hOt necessary nr but hut If ans nn amm timIng thing came up In regard to the time he would let us IS know On his as assurance lS that ll alt ll Information would be le kept Inviolate In the time bureau of oC corpora corporations I J answered some flab question re reo the prices of ot cuttle und and similar matters We talked something fur further CUI thor ther but hit I think bitt WIS the tire sub substance substance stance of ot It What hat did you say sn your clients would do ns os to the production of tire the evidence asked Atty AU Miller ller I 1 saId Bid that an arm understood his Ids po pa position as ns to keeping our disclosures con coil I would woul my m clients t II to todo do ns as he lie naked asked He Ito le said pall that he In lim Intended II tended d to make l ake a report to io 10 accurate In In detail that there would bo be no n question regarding It I and amid OI for that reason he IA wanted to took look into the thc books book and UI still Mill reserve the right of oC an tin In oath Mr r Krauthoff declared that thai acting on 01 the tire statements o 0 Commissioner field neld he ho lied hall advised Swift Swi Co 0 Net Nel Nelson el elson son Morris Jolls Co anti Armour Armo r Ca Cato 0 to submit their to the lon Atty ty Miller then asked the tIme witness clients Ien to Did Dd you OU advise your Is ns us o the powers poor of oC the commissioner to coot com compel COl pel testimony I 1 l did fully Did IId Dd you 01 advise l I I them to tD comply with his irIs In case carte he should hould cull cul for tor testimony That was vas WIS the Iho subject on which I advised d them The Tho witness then herr the I described his hl meet meeting ing Imig ilg with wih Commissioner lonel Garfield Garfeld as OR tot fob lows Charles O n I Dawes telephoned 1 to m mand I rile and inn that Mr Ir hl was lit lii II the tire city el amid Ild asked 1 if ir I desired to meet him P I ma I 1 said Mid tint tin t I would and amid In Iii II com coin company In pany with Dr Samuel el I t wiled called caled lo to Mr Ir Dawes bank batik and we WI went to 10 the tie Chicago club chili I 1 WIS Introduced by b Mr 1 Dawes Daves to Mr Ir After Are pome Ime remarks about other othel mittens matters maier Mr Ir Garfield opened tho nutter rind 1 it was wn discussed d cl et for tOl lEulY two hours Mr stated In a I funnel formal way 1 ripper apparently i careful car fil of oC his language substantially ally this That the th Martin resolution lc Imposed upon Import him hll a I ii duty dul of Investigating the packing Industry that In order lo to do du this he ire roust must lust have to tn the books bool of o the tho packers Ills purpose In Iii coming to Chicago Writ was Wili to gnu this access ss He lie le sitU said sul that he ire had Ild held hell a II conference with the president and others othell In Iii re respect reo respect sp t to the tho Investigation Ind that lint It inns of ot very ver great Importance Ho Io said aid that he lie was anxious that bitt the tire Investigation should bo iso fair aIr ex cx exhaustive amid thorough so that the use of or iris hil department would he ho shown hown I knew know the powers lower of or his attica nod produced n a 1 pamphlet n a I report of ot the secretary of oC commerce and und labor I and remarked that of course I knew of oC his hIM power ower to get ge Information My 1 first remark was that I unit had had Imd occasion to look Into II to tire the law Ho lie 10 then their said sid that he lie to make a it 1 and not lot retort resort to 10 detective method and wished wl hed to tl report to tho tire president so that ho ire could report Ie ort to lo Congress He le Ho le again said that ho he spoke for tor or the tire president und and that of course wo ire 0 would havo IIo the tho sory lr under time the law larY creating cra I I I his depart department ment I told him him that my I clients were In lii n it 1 very er l delicate position anti that the were irene full ful of or matter per Iler taming to them I told him that If I time the law litis was Valid there thee was War no Ira 10 doubt ho tie could compel tine the Information I 1 told him him that If it the th results of this sub submission lb mission to his requirements were vero to be he further newspaper notoriety and litigation tion ton I would of ot course CO I 10 contest t tire the law He lie HI said aid that the letter leler of or the tire luv lav protected my ray clients I called his attention to tire the questions of the tire valid validIty validIty Ity ly of ot tho the law He answered that Iris his department d must crust Iu t necessarily be he kep seji mate from the other departments tel arid particularly the department of cit Justice and Ind that If I It were known kno timid that Ma h lii de department WI i ae with wih tire the de tIe department of or Justice of ot course COlle people would not give Ille him any nn Information He ire said that It if I conceded that the tho law lu luIas valid the matter Ilter was WIl divided Into three classes that to which the gov gon government AO WIS entitled that which was doubtful and that to which th time gov government government ov was not nol entitled He lie then de detailed tailed toled how ho It would be done his hil special agents to go J to ono one house and begin the Inv InvestIgation 1 I said In view w of his hil determination to acquire this Information I 1 felt feltI I hesitate to continue continue The witness turned to Dist Atty Morrison dorrIson and and asked Mr Ir Morrison do you 01 wish lo to oh ob j r Say SIY what you OU told him hi laid ald Judge Judo Humphrey |