Show Big Five Naval Met Men Likely to Agree on Value of Submarines Present Indications Show No Serious Serio-ps Proposal to Abolish Boats German Use Condemned W WASHINGTON Nov 19 fJ By the Associated Associated As As- I Submarines Press Submarines are re certain certain certain tain to figure largely in deliberations of naval experts of the big five group now in progress It is regarded as virtually vir virtually vir- vir certain however that the ex experts experts ex ex- will find themselves in agreement agreement agreement agree agree- ment that submersibles have a very definite place in naval warfare and that no serious proposal n il to abolish underwater underwater un un- craft will be advanced There may be some effort to limit the size of ot future submarines But the limit agreed upon will not unless all aU I signs fail prevent the use of submarines submarines rines as fleet elements for operations on the tho high seas Many criticisms have been applied to submarines by British spokesmen here but have come largely from laymen and not from naval experts Investigation tion does not disclose that there s os a difference of view between American and British naval officers as to the important influence on Lit It fleet operations underwater craft exercise It is the use made by G Germany or ner bel submarines submarines submarines rines th that t is to be be repudiated rep by civilIzed Civil Idyll Civilized thought no not Itself the experts assert It has been argued here that German employment of their boats U-boats U did riot not ri t th full fun possibilities possibilities possibilities of these tese craft The overwhelming overwhelm overwhelm- ing desire of the German admiralty to toI I conserve the strength of this one naval I weapon that could challenge British control of the seas led to what American Ameri Ameri- can officers believe was a policy of avoiding battle except where all odds were in favor of the submarine whereas whereas where where- where where- as a bolder employment of the U-boats U might have brought different results Japa Japanese ese Attitude Furnishes Question WASHINGTON N Nov V. V 19 By the Associated Press The Press The precise attitude attitude attitude atti atti- tude of Japan is becoming more and more the big interrogation point of the arms conference When the delegates of the nine nations nations nations na na- na- na assembled again Rg-aln today to talk about the Far East it was Japan to whom they looked for the hint that would reveal Just what trend Is Js to be betaken betaken betaken taken by the negotiations as they affect affect affect af af- China In the same samo way and perhaps with an Interest even more intense the naval naval na- na val al experts of the p powers are ponderIng pondering pondering ponder ponder- ing Japans Japan's request for an Increase in her proportionate naval strength and were wondering whether she would raise a direct issue with the United States by proposing material changes in tho the ratio fixed in the American plan Interchanges with Tokio during the two-day two recess of committee sessions were said to have provided the Japanese Japanese Japanese Jap Jap- anese delegation with comprehensive I Information as to the attitude of their i government but there was no authoritative author author- taUve prediction of how far that attitude attitude attitude atti atti- I tude would be revealed at the p present stage of the Far Eastern negotiations negotiations I Some of the Japanese delegates seemed to feel it would be better better to develop their policy point by point All the other national groups were ready to make a general declaration of ot their opinions but among them there VMS apparent a feeling that since China had presented a detailed bill of rights the next word belonged to Japan because she was the nation most Interested The naval question remained meantime meantime meantime mean mean- time outside the realm of actual negotiation negotiation negotiation with the tho experts of the five powers working Independently to de develop develop develop de- de v-elop v their national viewpoints But it was a live subject in the minds of delegates and technical advisers all of whom attached great Importance to the announcement that the United States I would stand deter determinedly against al alof alteration alteration al- al of th the basic ratio ot of her plan 4 a Most Papers Indorse Action LONDON LONDO Nov 19 Suspension 19 Suspension llon of all naval construction by Great Britain including work on the four capital ships of the super-Hood super type and the questions arising as a result of this action by the admiralty were ere the chief topics for today's newspapers Two or three of ot the principal newspapers re refrain refrain refrain re- re frain from comment but the majority of the others heartily indorse the governments government's governments government's gov gov- decision The Daily Dally Telegraph says that the suspension of ot work involves great sacrifice sacrifice sac sac- sac sac-I and a grievous blow to tho firms holding the contracts and to their thousands thousands thousands thou thou- sands of workmen as well as a disappointment disappointment disappointment dis dis- dis- dis appointment to many naval men But Dut Is in wholehearted ac accord accord accord ac- ac cord with the American proposals for limitation of naval armaments which wo we have accepted In principle the Continued on page 2 BIG FIVE I Continued from page 1 newspaper says and as a proof of our sincerity It must surely be accepted as convincing evidence that this country Is not governed by the armament ring The Morning Post is strongly hostile hostile hos hoe tile and charges that Premier Lloyd George issued the order on his own initiative contemptuously flouting the authority of parliament and going be behInd behind behind be- be hind the tho backs of Lord Loid Lee of Fareham Fareham Fareham Fare- Fare ham first lord of the admiralty and Admiral Beatty All the newspapers refer at length to the question of unemployment caused by the order order- and while two or three contend that It will not nt add acId greatly to the ranks of the idle the majority concur in the belief that the outlook Is serious A dispatch to the Times from Newcastle Newcastle Newcastle New New- I castle says that while a natural disappointment die dis dIs 1 appointment Is felt on the Tyne where thousands already are unemployed the I chagrin is softened by the apparently changed outlook of the workers They I seem to realize the enormous sacrifices sacrifices' brought on by modern warfare and some of them are less enthusiastic In regard to warship contracts than be before before before be- be fore the war even sho showing ing some aversIon aversion aver aver- sion zion o 0 working on armaments |