Show J 1 i i t I TIIE I I i J l lJ i f Tim The Ministerial Association ot of SnIt Salt 1 fj j f lake City at Us Its session on Monday Monda i I 1 1 continued co ln tho the discussion that has arts aris arisen artsen Ii Y 1 en en n over V r tho the subject of ot healing I I I g s Introduced two weeks week ago ngo by hy Hev A 0 U UI I I It i t L Andrews A owA of ot Murray MU It will bo he remembered i h It C by b readers of ot the New fles that tint J tp f I i 1 no Wll W V U took with Mr I f Andr wi I and argued that Tho heal heat healings healt t I 1 1 i I 11 i 1 ings Ing and other miracles wrought In III Old Ohl i I Testament tl ment times were to tot I t I i prove to a IL people and an 1111 au ege 1110 that need needed nefI I J t I ed cit CI It the presence arul the power of I I 1 g ti Clod Also Als that The Tho and nii t f f i J JI other powers wrought by b and JIU JUs 11 I I I Apostles after Him were s for a n h r k 1 Y purpose viz to substantiate tho the truth i 1 1 f I I f of ot the claims they made malle We e pub Put PutI I t j d i t his ht reply to Mr Andrews Andrewa In InI Iff I t Ii a I 1 I full tulI fullIn fullI I k I In Ja 1 answer on er to these assertions by Mr Sir I I 1 I Bagby we showed that If It his position I II i Was Ins i correct such luch manifestations sure surely I 1 of 1 4 ly I ought alight to be exhibited now to sub nub nubA j A 1 i te and nn the claims mado t I 4 11 j by 14 modern ministers Wo We did not for tor forn torII ir irI II I i i t Lt t n a moment admit that he was wa correct I f JI 1 1 If I l In his Assumptions na as to the purpose h il I ant and of at those divine manifesta manifestations r l J We We simply tool took him on his hili own I I t j j j ground But now comes Mr Mv f I if t with tho the following attempt at a rejoin rejoinder Ii I 1 U L J t der ler We Wo publish It verbatim as is sent lent lentI I it M K t g J i to Us Uli by liy Mr DB L reporter r Por er II I 1 i the editor of ot f c 1 j tho the New Neha In his hla strictures on my ny re rc reply reo I 1 1 f ply Ny ly to Mr tr Andrews Im er on I I It II Id I ono thing to make moko q tn 11 I V I I V aai quite another to furnish ar 01 I I 1 tr t that readily support It For Forthe Forthe e 1 the benefit of tho the casual reader to jJ ii I I I I thorn Iho the tho News editors strictures I t l IU Y appear somewhat plausible I II I f 1 I submit a tI work of at reply 1 i He lie argues the present need of ot mira miracles miraU U l I des cles cl that prove tho thu th presence and power I in It it of oC Gail on the ground of their need In I I t the tho past lie He that tin this world I f j needs miracle now as an much as ns It did I I I k 11 1 r In iI Old 1141 times Is this true truo I J I 1 t i Ha tins lJ II the tho world made no rio Intellectual tI I 1 spiritual In thren thousand 1 1 fl I r t years rears enra Is III not the IlL world better beller able ablo to 11 I i I get set along without the Iho kindergarten n nr r i fl t j methods In of oC tho past than ever eel before Lefore i rl t t V in lit 1111 Jt Has no rn growth marked j 1 I f 4 1 i the passage of at tho the centuries lI Did the tho th thI I f I F I I revelation of ot Juil In Christ Jesus rep rell rellI 11 I f resent no Improvement upon his Ins moat mani V I j V Y J I In tho thu and ad light I I f tj V flings of ff Sinn Sinai I Does not nol the I t F t Roy acy of ot Jesus Christ as I the tho only begot I 11 rl l ten Son ion of ot toil Joil conclusively prove the tha I If j r i and finality of or the de deI I I I I livered through him Would Oed have havo I 1 l 1 i t t t I spoken through hl hI his highest st messenger t II t p 1 I i I until I his final mt ore was wu ready for tor j II I I 1 delivery Did the Infinite have he to an au d his own time tYe Ye are arc the tho I i I light of ot the thi world It the Gospel Oo pel of i fI r Christ as RI preached by b laul Is 19 the pow power I I Ii VT er e of ot God unto to every ono one i 4 I i 1 J f that l ll Thi r two i V t 4 j l the means by bv which men mm ore are to I t I Ii 1 h be turned from to light antI and ont from the tho Power 1011 of ot Satan to Clod hod The I f proof of the Inspiration of ot tho the thoI I bible nible Is It power por to 10 lift anti and enlighten I t a fallen and nn benighted race ree The Che un unI f 1 1 I answerable argument nt In favor of tho the II 1 I divinity of ot Christianity Is In tho consistent c Christian life In th lie power of oC these theRe I J 1 In the present Is III found the conclusive proof of Jf the genuineness of ot the tho t I tIes Iles of ot the pa past rast t The Tho miracles of ot the thep thel I l t p past t fully tull In the present are I I I r I J for the present The I proof of n a Is greater than the thu th II I miracle The rue power flow r of cf the Bible DIble Is the I I proof of its miracles s therefore tho the pow power O I I er fr of ot tho the In is ter than V I I rn 1 The flue Church hurd lost nothing when vh i irhe j rhe rho ho received the power of or a completed Jom V t I In for tor miracles On f L t th Ih the contrary Ibe h mails made a 1 vast gain gainAs J As to the of or 1 Cor eor or 13 11 SU 4 r Ii T I Tho word perfect oc or occurs o ot 1 I t curs Uti In that form torm but hut twice hire hare sail antI sailI I i 1 t In tho the second t r find anti sixth verse Chit V of ot the same Hune At t th II ht W I It Is I rendered In th the revised r version on l I 1 I I wisdom u I j amons the that or af are How hon no hond d i 1 OJ this with When that I t f Which h Is is II t coma coir J t th that hit t ti II i in part hall Khali l lilt be done f away I That Cht thin this U I 1 the that I I was wan In this tha mind of ot th the Apostle Is I f made by lly the tho which I 1 d follows hn J I WM wa n a child hilt I r V n 55 n a child I felt M as a 1 child I 1 thought d I t mi 1111 N a n now that I om rim become n a j I I i man I have hAe put ni ovay thins If JC thin the th Urn time lun th M art a ar to L cease c a Is l In the th 1 lb t reads reade aha Fur For now row w 1 i l p I in n a mirror I I i darkly but Lut then ra fR t to 10 faro faco n no r I It J know kno In part Urt but th chill I know r 1 i i fully even cen en as na nl I o I 1 m fully tully known I It follows nil aU 11 nit nt I II 1 I t 1 full growth In tIta Paul I fr r forced o I 1 to make mak at a tt ment h Is I nii I cr r Of or nir fRe nil nu the th I things will e eat nJ nt with time Wh V hiv n make I j 1 suet such a statement Paul luls Ii 11 i I that will wul c Ut with the I Church or of full j but only eternity will TIlI bring of j i V knowledge t u An All It U II with A human lift life so an It l I Ia I V With the life hits Ill of 0 t the Church first In III U fancy tanar then tile the full tull growth of oC man mall J hood then the end anil wisdom of ot old age alt Manhood run fute pu aws awa the tile f t things of of childhood ch hood of ot knowl know knowledge knowlI I I 1 I edge corneA comes with i of ysa ra It ItIn j i f In ni to t thin thil of or that Out Ulo t I comes with the tb 1 n of eternity stern ty Anti ami not to the causation of ot miracles thai that Paul refers he n says BaY y Then shall hll shallI I 1 I know fUll fulty pon en as ii I I VIM All AIM fully tull p A wV IlIr Drier cr r knowledge then than that t which come CAme by b ro elation In lit to coin caine 1 1 j with The Ill Kill l of ot the tho r of 1 I Corinthians Corinthian d dies eo JI not fix the date of ot the ln of I V ies In the tit Church Chuh hut hul of the ad advent advent vent Of tit t the of oC The Till h t f t V New Testament o anti and et ex experience etI i r r I i erlene all nil that i t S pa U l Away with Mth the Infancy InfaMY of ot the Church I h There U is no better proof of or ii r 4 fSr th tage of ot reel real miracle miracles than mol mad I er 11 themselves Cheap sod end 5 i t Is 1 on the miracles of ot the lb i 1 Jait If r rIt t p r I i 1 It H V ii te tI Mr a i V rith Ith a not nol uncommon In then i I le leil attributes to 16 tbt tI r I If Il rr r f it 4 l to t r III rr rrt t 1 4 J V Editor 1 a t ti hc he state mad by b y Mr Mt Bagby hh lf then than I Ith ah an argument Our Cur removes 8 na lII will 1 to be c neon to t th edi editorial tonal o f f vir based on this tile hypothesis If tf tha taken token by Mr lr na by Is correct iv Vo do tie not believe Ht It Is the con contrary tracy wi v vIew it as a it common n nhut hut but Yer I error Jesus Jou Jt Christ t l 1 day on nor noi the tho vho preceded Yurt Him obtained power t h al the sick nick or r torm orm what are art clIl miracles f Ujo purpose of or ol substantiating hg tho the truth cf vi or 01 their thell authority were not given to make 1 fl ut t as a n result of faith In God Jesus r s promised heIJ stint follow them that believe ve Wt When n Iff 1 Tilt T p preach to the tha people In I Ills on Owl country co Ho IIO could there t do no mighty j rk save lavo lave that lib II HI laid His Ills hands upon n tt 1 tow few sick folk tolk and henle healed them And hd Ho lie marveled because of ot their f Mark vl vi I If It mh were tero for Or t r th the purpose assumed i by by that wait va the place I of t all places for fo the Sa Savior SI ia vior lor to have lne performed thOrn them Through Throughout out the tho s ministry Ho JIo Invariably remarkable ions of ot r healing power to the faith of ot those vho received Its benefits Ills HIt doctrine im on 08 this subject was All things nr t to him that belier H Golt Mil hab lua not It If the tho faith and Its power with w lh clod as ns s taUght by Christ His Ills Apos tics then It Is true tr b It must t have tho same vir viru virtue tue force forc and effect today ay nit as nt any anytime time In tho past t If It tho the doctrine d taught by the Savior S SyI ivl r In Hla Itis sermon on the tha mount wan it truo true then It la Is truo true now that Is that t t our Heavenly rather father will Olye good gifts to them that ask Him But Dut It is tho the prayer of faith that bat Is heard and unil answered and with without without without out faith jour Our prayers ore are ro vain Ac Ae According cording to your faith BO so shall ahall It be bo done dono do no unto tinto you i U Is fl a divine truth which la Is lanot stat riot anti cannot be Le changed by the tho cen centuries tunes Mr y enters Into a 11 dissertation on the tho progress of ot intellectual and spIritual thought and asks a n of ot questIons which have no relevancy to tho the subject under consideration ap apparently apparently with W h tho tM th view of or nt It away from the th point in dispute To ro 1 the tho critical reasoner again his nr ar Is It If the won manifestations recorded In the tho theOld Old OM Testament were ere to be done dono away by b the tho progress and development of ot higher religious thought then thero should have hayo been beon none of them In the ministry of ot Jesus Christ on earth Mth who Iho by Mr Sir own brought In a higher and nud more perfect system cIstern than the world had hod seen Been be before before fore tore But Ih of ot telling people that such I were no longer needed ho he not only encouraged faith In them personally ns nl part purt of or his doc doe doctrine doctrine trine time but sent Ills Hla Apostles out to tench teach oM practice the sumo same things and even cv n after His ills resurrection from ruin the tho dead Mild made It a n port part of ot their corn com commission mission to promise those tho e heavenly gifts i as n a result of ot believing His IUs Gospel If It He ne that anti and Is baptized shall s all be saved is III true today then it itIs ItIs Itin Is in equally equall true now 04 as II then tien that The o signs shall follow tallow them that believe Murk xI 1618 1518 You cannot separ separate ate ato one OM from the tho other without destroy destroying lag Ins tho the force torce of ot tho the whole commission Mr ir Bagby has tho the assurance to call the lie ministrations ot of Jesus Christ fIll and Ills Apostles l Kindergarten methods What has hos he or arpy other lIther modern min Ister who has ms 1118 arrogated to himself the functions of ot a representative of oC the tide Savior to offer to tho the world worM In any anyway anyway way superior r to tho the o Kinder Kindergarten garten methods method of the tho Great Oret Master Master Does he mean m m to toll us that ho h or of the modern matI ern jangling sects of ot Chris Christendom ChrIstendom to which ho he end and his frIends belong Loton havo something to present pr sent to tolie lie ilio world that th t Is moro more perfect pe than the doctrine do and system it by Christ and His Ills Apostles If It co so what Is sit it where Is It and who tho has hasit aas It II V V Taking Tak ns his Iut Interpretation of ot the words oC tho Apostle Paul When that which is perfect Is 8 come corne and read rend It ItIn ItIn Itin In his way When that th t which Is full Cull grown Is come Olne how Ita much does cs that help tho the cause which r D chain cham champions ch tn IH lit the tho doctrine of ot Christ or tho the church of ot Christ or the light tight of Christ or tho the power of or Christ any anymore anymore I Imore more among tho the disputing dIsputIng ing hug factions now no calling culling themselves thel chell by Ills His holy hOI name than thlin In the days when the Baylor S lor and His Ills Apostles minister t oil d among g men Whim till lId the Church become I 1 Was it after the Apostles postle tell fell cli asleep anti darkness and corruption corr spread over oer the earth eartha Wu a it when the church of ot nome Homo os ns a an away ay and nd established h lt as the th church oft Christ dominating lung kings nna nations nl If not which of oC the he Tro la Is tb Church of ot Mr Ir i by reference to tho r lit ministry as liS Kindergarten I is paralleled by b his assertion that taut IaPi 1 nt t Is II altogether Mr Sir mod aly la is quit put as fla nil conspicuous ns as hh his logic Paul laul of t th gifts oM manifestations Which were tere In the tl Church ad o n ma tta of o h body of ot Christ that Is II the Church Th y wore were to bo be done dene away nt Y when hen that which is I perfect is II I come The Tko Impe and tI evident d from torn tut th Is I that they ther ore are r to remain In the Church until the tha necessity fr t t wing kig hauling and obtaining knowl knowledge knowledge edge ed e by b filth Ana nt prayer rayer shall bo be 1 0 past put when ben we va e ahll the Lord ace to fn aO o anut see sea I as us wo we ore are seen leen and know leno as WB we are known The twelfth and thirteenth chapters ra of the Pint First to the Corinthians Corinthian are arc a direct t refutation of ot the tho notions entertained by Mr dr And nearly All ail of ot the tho ministers minister of oC mod med modern modem ern em church churche According to Paul God Cod healings helps help goy gov governments gO r e of ot tongue etc with Apo tl and Prophets Prophet and other inspIred d ra In the Church as ns n cs es a parts J Arta of If It none being bollS ablo able to 10 11 tb this the other otheta The Thu gifts gUts there therein in enumerated Ate are e alt from the tho tame same Spirit Th TIny y are arc among lilt Iii gifts And nd manifestations They Ibey cannot t tit be done dane donen n Pt rny away with the U tn th Holy new spirit l is II tL earns m mIn In Ia the t a s In the t o nr first fiut t tHI HI lU be at both periods If It God will riot not neth hear ar the prayer of f faith now as nil In times ol ot old then He Ho Himself has changed Is It nf nn i ith th tIts t truth that faith has decreased elJ among men Inca Is Ia I It not Ot a tact fact that the tho reason why people do 10 not nt hare havo the runo amo gifts and blessings and unity and Md power In this age ago as III a In Ii the days of ot the tho postles Is their faith Intend o It being bel n II full grown rown has hos diminished and run tun down almost to a Q minimum There l 1 Is no wonder omler that professing Christians do not enjoy the th of ot the |