Show II-I II WALSH AND Je J. D. D JR CLASH J 1 11 i i 1 I If I AM FOR JUSTICE i ROCKEFELLER ASSERTS Son on of Oil King Declares Probe of Court Control I h Charges Is Insult 1 f. f VA WASHINGTON S TON TONn May n 21 John John D. D I Rockefeller Jr resuming the thc witness I ii j stand today before the Industrial relations re relations relations re- re lations commission n read d tho the following following follow tollow- ing mE statement t Since giving gi m my testimony yesterday yester ester yesterday estera day a I b have hav v read with care re the stenographers stenographer's stenographers stenographer's ste ste- ste- ste transcript of ot the ques quen questions l r a asked b by tho chairman l of or the commission in reference to the Lawt LawI Lawson Law- Law 11 t I son on trial and my view of certain hypothetical hy hy- 1 cases and acid the course courso I would tak take should tho the facts subsequently prove to to bo be as an presented u As As A these questions all aU relate to a criminal appeal at prest present nt pending before toro the courts of or this tills country countr I feel that my po position cannot bo boo too precisely J stated both hoth as respects the j questions already asked and questions quos ques of ot a a. similar nature which maybe ma may maybe b be addressed and I therefore desire sire to give to this commission my opinion opinion ion Jon on these matters In tho the form torm of or ofa ofa ora a written statement which will he be unequivocal and admit of or no misunderstanding misun misun- misunderstanding ng or misinterpretation Wants Wanta Trials Fair As AJ already areadY already expressed m my opinion I Is that Justice should ho be so administered administered adminis adminis- t red aa as to bo above suspicion and If It In any material particular tho the trial of ot Mr Lawson has been wanting In Inthis Inthis Inthis this respect I for tor one one should dE' dE desire lr to see sec the supreme court of ot Colorado to tl which the appeal has hall bf been en taken n carefully consider every ground that cony be urged and grant a n new trial should any material ground be sus sus- I HI I have no more right than has hns n any other citizen In this country to at attempt attempt attempt at- at tempt to Int interfere with or influence the co courts of ot Justice and q 1 questions seek SEok to which are arc BO so framed HH as to put me in the position of or appearing to tn concede th that t there thu have been heen willful will will- tul ful tamI tampering crl with the courts or of or stating w what at I J am nm prepared to do to Influence the future course courso of or Justic justice Jus- Jus tlC tic either cither as S respects Mr Lawson or any other person I cannot regard as other othor than Improper r questions ant and ami a a. direct reflection upon tho those e who vho are charged with Illi the administration adminis adminis- administration of ot Justice To sinister r reflections reflections of ot this kind I must decline to be bea a party part even b by Inference Questions Improper either etther or Indirect Indirect- Indirectly Were Vere I directly tho Ju Judiciary ju- ju ly ly- to attempt to Influence of ot Colorado as l respects the tho present appeal In Mr Lawon's trial I should b bo guilty of or the very ery r procedure procedure pro pro- dure against which witnesses be before bp- bp fore tora this commission have ha so 80 strongly strong strong- ly Jy protested protest d and which I mys myself C have condemned and I no less eRR strongly hope the tho chairman of or the commission lon will not f expect from me replies replier to toan an any questions which Imply that I be believe believe be- be lieve oth others have ha been guilty guilt of un- un or Improper acts in tho the administration admin of ot ju Justice tlc or that I enter entertain lain tain a position superior to that thit I of ot otan an any other citizen of or the republic either etther before the law or toward its nd administration Just before Rockefeller resumed his testimony all the commissioners ex except except ex- ex Chairman Walsh met in executive executive th- th tive session to consider their round robin of ot Inet night calling for more moderato moderate treatment of wit witnesses Some of tho the commissioners did not conc conceal il that they thou thought ht the chairman's chairman's chair chair- mans man's questioning of ot Rockefeller should have hae been modified Aft At After r tho the executive session the theo theother o other her her commissioners did n not t make public nubile their letter to Chairman Walsh which It was understood they would do should their suggestion sUon go 10 unheeded Chairman Walsh said s hedl he ho dl did not Jn w what had happened inthe In Inthe Inthe the executive session I When Rockefeller concluded cd readIng read- read Ing his statement Chairman Walsh sa said d If It there aro any questions I ns ask that you think should not be bo an- an red you should state the tho fact and andt t th commission will consider what should be done I suppose your high regard for tor law aw extends to all evidence evi ovi- dence offered with regulation of ot tho the thol l law w. w Yes rye It does doCs said eaid Id Mr Ir Rock Rockefeller You haven't a contempt for tor of- of of- of ficere of or the law low who do not do your bidding J 1 dont don't undertake to direct the tho of offIcers officers officers of- of of ot the law Do you ou undertake to co coerce rCA the officers of the law We dont don't und undertake r ke to get officers of ot tho the law In any position It Is entirely entirely en en- improper C I Is Road Chairman W Walsh Jeh then read a let letter letter letter let let- ter written to Mr Rockefeller b by I I. I M M. Bo former superintendent of ot the tho BO e a Uve tivo department of ot the Cobra Colora Fuel and arid Iron com company pan 14 H. 1013 1913 included the following You You will wUl be bo interested to know pro oro have havo been able to secure the cooperation co cooperation co- co operation of all an the tho bankers of or tho the dt city Y who had three or four inter inter- views with our little cowboy gov governor a.- a. agreeing to back the state and ana lend It all tho the funds necessary to maintain tho the militia and afford atford ample ample ample am am- protection fio so that our miners could return to work or give Ive protection protection tion lion to men who are anxious to come up hero from Texas N New w Mexico and Kansas together with some somo from states further east eaRt Besl Besides es the bankers the chamber of commerce the real estate exchange ex- ex e. e ex exchange change to together with a n great reat man many of the best business men have been boon urging the tho governor go to take steps i to drive these vicious agitators out of ot the tho state Another mighty might power has been heen rounded up in behalf of the operators b by gathering together fourteen fourteen four four- teen hon of ot the tho editors of ot the tho most Important Im Important Im- Im now newspapers pf in Denver I Pueblo Trinidad Walsenburg Colorado Colorado Colorado Colo Colo- rado Springs and other of oC tho the larger pl places in In the the state Ul Still tm the governor hobnobs with wun Hayes L. Lawson McLennan 1 and nOlI the tho thore the re rest t of ot tho the gang and either refuses or he begs 8 for more time to bring the strike to an nn end or to amply I protect the operators in bringing In outsiders to take the places of ot those who have left the and those engaged in these murderous a assaults whom we refuse to tike tako back under an any cir clr- Yet we are making a n little headway Governor Scored has been Thc There re probably never such pressure ur brought to bear upon any governor of ot this state by the strongest men In It as has hns been brought to bear bElr upon Governor Go Ammons Am- Am mons Wo We 0 Ji hav R published statements of or earnings 6 of oC the miners which the agitators dl disputed and tho the governor expressed great doubt as to Its accuracy ac- ac curac curacy Commissioner Walsh also aleo called rolled Mr Rockefellers Rockefeller's attention to an another another another an- an other letter written to him b by Bowers Bowerson on on n D 22 1913 1313 in which the latter slid said If It the tho governor gO had hl acted on September September Sep Sep- 23 as he has been forced to tonet act net during the past few weeks this strike never would hn have havo vo existed ten days das 4 Glove In Jn Hand We Ye used every possible weapon to drive dT him hint Into n. n action h but t he e was as glove In hand with tho the labor lenders leaders and Is 18 today but hut tho big men of ot af affaire affairs affairs af- af fairs faire have bave helped the operators in whipping whipping- tho the a agitators tors including th the governor Now these fello fellows s are cursing him without re regard nl for common common common com com- mon d decency enc so everybody is giving him more or less taft taffy to keep him from backsliding Tho The cd is 13 a sample of ot the resolutions being sent Rent 00 oo him besides any number of ot personal per- per sonn 1 letters Do these theM letters show your our polIcy policy pol pol- IC icy asked Chairman Walsh Did I write those letters demanded demantle de de- de- de mantle Mr Rockefeller No o. o but you rec received them said Bald the chairman But I did dill not write them so tho they can an scarcely be he wild ld to show my 01 policy pol pol- I ol- ol icy returned turned Mr Rockefeller I propose to call your attention to six letters written b by you ou In which you ou sa say that you ou back up these ac actions actions actions ac- ac by Mr Bowers The letters mean Incan r returned Mr Rockefeller th that lt there was disorder in Colorado Naturally every citizen would use uso every overy Influence to get the tho public officers tf to do their dut duty lie He declared cr emphatically that it was absolutely necessary for tor him to back backup backup up the men placed in charge of ot the coal properties Several times re rt objected to form and nature of ot tho the chairman's chairman questions Despite protests led le-d by 17 Mrs J Jr J. Borden Borden Borden Bor- Bor den Chairman Walsh 1 evidently evidently evidently evi evi- dently w was wag not Inclined to reduce o his hla vigorous attitude and nd repeatedly plied piled Mr Rockefeller r with Ith questions which tho the latter r declared Improper Once Mr Walsh and Mr Rockefeller nock parried parried parried par par- ried hotly both with questions and answers an ansWer answers an- an Mr Walsh deman demanding yes s or orno orno no no explaining how however er that th the witness s could df develop eloP his answer But you said I must say yea or orno orno no no and stop th there re declared Mr Ir Rockefeller I sat hero yesterday all nIl allday allday day and heard a witness who was p permitted to answer questions at an any length he desired I and I demand the same right Situation Relieved When Mr Ir Walsh agreed that Mr Rockefeller co could hl anH answers questions as H ho desired tho the tense situation appeared ap appeared ap- ap to be bo belev relieved lev The chairman asked for a telegram from President W Welborn of or the coal I Icom company com company pan to Mr r Rockefeller rc regarding I tho h. h price of ot co coal l during tho the strike It a fact asked Chairman 1 Walsh that th the thA price of coal cOll was raped rained during the strike and that it was waK prohibitive to tho poor I I I didn't know what l th the of of coal was and had knowledge only of our own coal not about that of ot other othor Do you know that Attorney General General Genral Gen Gen- eral ral Farrar of or Colorado went to the governor and asked him him for tor the use of the military to Install strikebreakers ers erR In your mine I 1 knew nothing of ot it it said Raid Id Mr Rockefeller Did your company cheat the coil coal miners in weights Never PI er to m my knowledge Did the companies with which h you t u combined cht cheat at their men 1 other other other oth oth- Wo We never noyer combined with any er companies A said paid d Mr Rockefeller lie IIo added that the Colorado companies companies com com- merely merel Joined tog together to act net in the tho strike Your father paid for tor sending out alleged facts for tho the coal coni operators operators operators oper oper- of ot Colorado Yes Ye but hut It ft was understood tood tho thu thom m money was to be bo paid l l' l hack aci by the operators Mr Walsh Toad road a letter r h by Mr Bowers Dowers saying ono one or two of nr the companies were ch cheating their miners through false weights Mr 1 Rockefeller said that ho knew nothing of or that Criminal Saloons Walsh asked If It Rockefeller did not think he as a 1 director of or the company should take taka steps to have havo criminal saloon keepers ousted from rom the mining camps campe Mr Rockefeller returned that state officials should enforce norce tho laws Mr Walsh read several letters written by Mr Rockefeller promising support to tho the company officers Mr Wal Walsh h a. a asked ked If It Mr Rock Rock- Rockefeller was wn-s acquainted with tho the details of ot the Ludlow massacre acro and save gave a 0 a a. graphic description of ot It Mr Rockefeller Rockefeller Rocke Rocke- feller said mid he ha had no knowledge c of or orthe the details On the same day as the Ludlow massacre Walsh asserted did you not learn that there was wag a little boy killed ed I heard a boy was shot said sald Rockefeller Walsh then culled called attention to a company statement that tho women and children at Ludlow were smothered smothered smothered ered and then read a 0 post card ad addressed addressed ad- ad dressed to him by a A. Mr Air and Mrs Snyder r at nt Trinidad saying We Ve wish to inform you that hero Is SA one of tho the little victims of Ludlow not smothered but was shot through the head while caressing his little sister On the back of ot this cud card IB la a It photograph photograph pho pho- of the little boy hoy Frank I Snyder Snyder der said Walsh 1 Do you wish to toce see ace ce it 7 han handed ed the card to toa toa tol a l m messenger senser who offered It to Rockefeller Rockefeller Rocke Rocke- feller Yon You have described It thoroughly said Rockefeller He lie glanced at the card as ns it was passed to the tho stenographer Walsh r rend read d from Crom letters nn and reports to show that troop A A. A a volunteer or organization organization or- or was formed of ot superintendents superintendents superintendents clerical forces and mine guards of ot the coal companies Do Do you ou know that this tro troop p tired flied Into tho the tents of tho the women and nd children children children chil chil- dren at Ludlow and and that the they looted the dead and sot fire to the tents of ot the people asked Walsh I do notI not I regard any instance where private private private vate individuals have to supplement regular authorities to protect life and property as ns most moat deplorable Mr r. r Rockefeller declared In n answering a series of questions Our had to use means at hand to tn supplement the efficiency of or tho the state slate I deplore the necel necessary for tor putting mine guards into the field As the men of or troop A were paid by the Colorado Fuel and Iron company company company com com- pany do you not feel a n moral responsibility sI for tor the tho Ludlow massacre asked Walsh I would have felt much greater s re responsibility responsibility ro- ro Rockefeller r replied If Jf officers of ot th the company compan had not ma made madean e ean an effort to protect life liCe and property proper proper- ty t ty Asked If it ho thought it was right for tor guards s to loot tho the homes of ot peoples peo peo- pl ples Mr Rockefeller replied Certainly not whoever th they y were were Mr Bowers Dowers in a letter recommends recommends recommends mends Leslie's Weekly We-okly said fald |