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Show VIIY ROADS IMPRESEIIT I7001RATES J. A. Reeves Explains Posi-don Posi-don of Lines Interested in Present Hearing. SAYS SHEEPMEN WILL NOT SHARE PROSPERITY .' ' Bat When Adversity Comes They AsK Railways to Share Hard Times. Acted for Utaarant of the posl-tloa posl-tloa ef the earrien la ths woel rat case, t. A. Beers, fensrsi freight cent ef tta Ores on Short Lioe, la b-kalf b-kalf ef the read rsprsssntsd at the ait Lake bearing, said: ' "The camera a general principle " aad trader the present depressed euadt ' . tioa of all classes of business, do not feel that. the present rates oa wool. or pelts should be reduced. It baa been shows clearly hr the testimony that the sheepmen are sot as prosperous new sir they have beea ia former years; but this is due to a variety of causes foreign to the charge of traasporta-tion. traasporta-tion. "It fs not a fair thing oa general prisciples to endeavor to make the railroad rail-road reduca ita rates on a commodity, because the men engaged in that busl-, busl-, aess rsnnot msks any mosey, snd because be-cause tbst monev which they would ssvs br reason of a reduced freight rste would represent a profit. Surely the shipper ia prosperous times would sever stand for a raise in rates. "Is other words, it would be no fairer fair-er to ask the railroads to shsra adversity ad-versity thss it would be to present them with a share of prosperity, which 'latter condition obviously will never tske plsee.1 . , The railroads represented st the Pslt lske bearing are the llnion Pacifie, Ihe Oregon Hhort Line, Southern partne, 'Westers Pseille and the Halt Lake routs. The Denver A Rio Grande railroad rail-road waa excused from the Salt Lake bearing, ss tbe officials gara tbeir tea timonv in Denver. It Is evident that the complalnenta have brought out their entire case, so far aa Is pnestnie st Han l.sks t'ltv. and that all teelmony which may hereafter be taken will be largely In support of those things which have already oejn sewn. Why Reduction b Asked. : Four general reasons ars nbrned aa to whv a reduction In the rales ahould bo mads from I'tah foramen points to Boston, the accredited wool market: Flmt The fact that tf a road eould afford some years ago, with even a lesser gross traffic In wool than now. to give . .hli.li In lis enal analysis la slmplv a' War freight rate, why ea-iot ea-iot that lower rate he granted todayT Second The through rata from Man jxtinta to Bmiton Is tJ.1l. which Is M r-nt greater than a combination of rate bv whlrh won can be shlpperl to l-n Angeles snd then to Boeton. that rate bfing $1.80, deaplte tbe fact that the nn n the'lafirr Instance travels nearly lb mile farther than In the former. Thtrd If the through rate on wool In gr-eee n bale from l Angeles to Bos ton hi $1. and the division received by the eastern roads Is the same as that re.evsd when the wool goes from Utah common point direct on the $3.11 rate, 1 iron ihe railroad can afford to carry wo.!, arid should be compelled lo do so. from I tan common points In bales- to grease at a proportionately lower rate. Fmirth One of the mala contributing t features of Dm poor bustneas conditions among wool men Is the high freight rate. . f T. M- hioan, aaslstant general freight ' sarnt of the Fialt laka route, waa re--reiiefi to the stand this morning and Questioned mg to the deilnabUlty of wool aa freight. ' .a - Mr, Hkaan atatM that he did not cen-elder cen-elder wool deslraWa freight. Comparing wfhol to live sto-k. on which the rate la mu-h lower, Mr. flloan aald he favored live stok. aa It usually moved In train loads, while wool wss ea,rrtM In only one or two carloads at Sr time, neeeel-taitng neeeel-taitng the breaking up of a train to da- -luer the car. Mr. Btoen aald he did not ret-all any Instance where his road bad paid any damage on either wool or live stock. Th fa-t that wool did not have to be expedited did not. In Mr. Hi. -en's Jurirmeut make H any mora desirable as ' frht. I ' H. O. Toll, assistant general freight 'agent of the Southern Pari fir, waa re-, re-, eaiMd to give detailed Information as to the capacity of ths Pacific coaat baling plants. . mtver M . Runyan. a hide dealer of Ogden. toid of an experience of hi company com-pany with the ITnlon Pacific railroad In receiving rebates some tea years ago. Show Tfa7 Mad Money. The ob)et of the examining attorneys for the wool growers In tntroduHng tbe evtdenree of rebating aome years sgo, which aiao csme out In the testimony of Mr. Hnmmerheys a few daya ago, la to strengthen thlr positron that If the carrier could give a rebate a few years ' ao. In soliciting wool traffic when the published tariff waa the same aa It Is now. the fact ta established that the haul vutd be made at a lower rate than that rharged today, wheg the rebate V-tem V-tem baa been ebotlahed. Hence a Uwr rate oa woof should he made. Thomas W. Rover, eaahier of the Or.-' Or.-' Omental National bank, twtf4 that his hank made great many lean to tba sheepmen of I'tah. Nevada. Wyoming and Idaho. In dealing with them he always aimed to been himself posted oa tbeir financial condition. Banker eta BmtnNa Oondltfona. . What la tbs present condition of tha sheep industry. In your opinion, In the territory eerved by -yoor bankT' gfaed Mr. Johnston: 'Very depressed." " I "More thaa several years agof -"Ye." "What la ths condition of the railroad buslneea In the territory served by your bankr aaked Mr. Hmlth In his crosa examination ex-amination for the carriers. "I understand U Is depressed. replied Boyer. ' ! "Now. ' Mr. Borer. continued Smith, "aa a general statement, la H not true that all Hoes of business In tbe territory terri-tory eerved by your bank ' are depressed de-pressed T" "Tes," replied Boyef. 'Do you attribute any of Ihe depression depres-sion In this territory to the condition 1a the sheep bualneeaT'1 ' "Tee. a very large part. . Uaas Objaci to Qtiavtfcma. At this pomt Attorney Matthew, rewre-aenttng rewre-aenttng the Western Pacific, entered a formal protest to the taking of any testimony testi-mony relative to baslneaa conditions In i the wool and sbep Industry, aa It had been testified-to that the freight rata an wool had been the aame when time were good soma years ago aa It la at tha present pres-ent time.. His objection waa coneured In by the other attorneye at the carriers. Examiner Prouty ruled that the testimony testimo-ny be taken. , S). 8. Jensen, a bide dealer of Ogden. testified that the rate on pelts from Og-t den to Chicago la II. 16 1-1. from Denver It Is TO rente, while from Portland, a haul of StU miles further than Bait Lake, tba rate Is but Y scents. Hyrum Toung. cashier of the Teeeret ; National bank, gave erect lea Uy the same iteattmony as did Mr. Boyer. ln what condition do you find tha j sheep industry? aaked Attorney Johnston. I "rnprofltable," replied Toung. Te what Is this duer &afttM Bosttp M Ctoliiteral I A great deal to the Increased cost of production of foo and sheep. Tba loan : value of sheep hss depreciated greatly. As a matter of fa-t, our bank doea not take sheep for collateral security. When we loan a ehee msn money we lean It to the maa oa his piam note, figuring that If he la not good on tbe plain note be would not be good on a rot lateral note with the sheep as security. We charge 9 per cent Interest oa this character of loana." E. A. rulbertson, aaslstant cashier of the National Bank of the Republic, followed fol-lowed Mr. Young. His teatlmony was essentially es-sentially tbe aame aa that of both Mr. Boyer and Mr. Young. Facts About Bbawp BaigSat. The morning session cloaed with tbe teatlmony of F. P. Kealer, a shep man of Beaver City. Ft ah. - Mr. Keelsr eaid thst be had been handling sbeep pratl-caily pratl-caily all bia life and for the peat ten years hsd done nothing else. He testified testi-fied that tea years ago the oamp tenders rectved from 13 eta $M a month and board. Five years ago this was Increased to from tie to MS. Including board, and : at preaent the wags ia Sa month. Including In-cluding board. , The quality a fboard also has been Improved, Im-proved, ao that ths preaent vuat la practically prac-tically double that of ten years ago. In 1 Sea t he a beep men was a l lowed free range for his sheep and herded them In bands of about Wt6, and one camp tender waa sufficient for two or three banda. At the present time tba banda must be kept moving, cannot be mora than IsOS bead, and It takee two men to aaob band. It also coeta centa a head to put the sheep an tbe reserve. Ten years ago the coat of ebeering, aarktng and loading the wool waa about t centa a bead. Today It ia about 14 cent a It la Mkeiv that the hearing wlU not be completed todays although there may be a night bearing tonight. Home six or sevon witnesses remain to be examined, among them premlnqfiJ. officers of the l tHh and National Wool Ore were asso-clauone. |