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Show Mr h ono received from Mr. Havemeyer Havemey-er relating to the augar market In which he thought It would b a good time to unload, in now of th tremendoue cu-bon cu-bon crop nd that tho marltt price might go ory felch or It might go vary low. 'Now what could I gather from ouch a lottar a that?-' Mr. Cutlor exclaimed. "Absolutely nothing." sugar Industries, was seeking solely the welfare of Its people . was declared by Thomas R. Cutler. Tic president dt th Utah-Idaho lager Kenning company, before the house "sugar, trust" Investigating Investi-gating committee. Mr. Cutler discussed freely th business busi-ness policy of th church and ai frank In revealing details of dealings with Mr. Havmyr. The sugar ram ml t tee also examined Chester 8. Morey. president of th Great Western Sugar Running company of Tnver. a combination embracing sixteen six-teen Colorado beet sugar factories In which the American Sugar Refining company com-pany haa acquired a half interest. Th committee has thus far disclosed th Amrlcan Htigar Refining company Interests In th Michigan beet augar Industry, In-dustry, lb I'tah beet augar factories and the Colorado group of factorlea. and from John D. Kpreckel . of California, who will arrlv 4nduy, It expects to enow that the corporation has Influential Interests In the factorlea of that state. Before Mr. Cutler concluded his testimony tes-timony he waa examined at length as to the business purposes of the Mormon church, t "Whv doee the Mormon church go Into the sugsr buslneaa and other business Mr. Cutler said th price of sugar for run. Wyoming. Ids ho and th Inter-, Inter-, mountain territory was fixed by a Pa-cine Pa-cine coaot prloa list determined daily at Ban Francisco, based upon the Hamburg price and the local condltlone. "Do you follow those. prices?" naked Chairman Hardwlck. "Tea. we hav to follow them." "From whom de you get those prtee Hats?" "From the Western Sugar Refining company and th California aj Hawaiian ssugar company. W msk our prir plua the freight rate from flan Francisco for tlie local market and less So cente, the differential between cane and beet augar" Then In t'tah. Idaho and that territory terri-tory you charge th consumr th freight although the augar doesn't travel the distance?" asked Mr. Hardwlck. "Tea that's th way all the prises of commodities must be fixed." At the time th deal waa mad whereby where-by Mr. Havemeyer purchaaed one-half of th original I'tah Augar company before be-fore th consolidation and of the formation forma-tion of the Utah-Idaho Sugar Refining company. Mr. Cutler said he had acted as the agent of his own people and did not consider htmsef as an agent of Mr enterprises?" asked Mr. Hinds of Maine. Provides Occupation for People, "Anything that affect the material as well as the spiritual welfare of Us people peo-ple the Mormon church encourages." said Mr. Culler. "It provides occupation for the people lit many other line i business sa well aa In th beet augar Industry." , "Then th Mormon church." queried Repreaentsttv Madison nf Kansas, "ts not onlv a spiritual organisation but alap a business organisation?" "To a great extent that is tru." Mr. Cutler replied. "Th Mormon church now owns stock In th Union Pacific railroad?" Mr. MadlBon asked. "I doubt It: I wish It did." "Well, th president of the church owns Union Psclflo stock at least." Mr Madison continued. "And not only aa a matter of encouraging thrift, but as s cold-bloodd business propoaltlnn It owns interests In Irrlgsilon companies, agricultural agri-cultural enterprises, woolen aod suaxr fsctnrlrs and other industries, does It not?" "To a certain extent. It would have to carry on business enterprise that way or thev would fall." Mr. Cutler explained that the business enterpriser of th church sre managed hv the presiding bishop, who act aa business manager. Questioned regarding the tariff. Mr. Cutler sld the "howl for free trade" In sugsr was being mad by the can refineries nd that It would ruin the beet augar business. In dlscus.lng susar pries In th. wci Havemeyer. After that Mr. Havemeyer. he said, left the management entirely to the wisdom of th western men. "Did von ever consult Mr. Havemeyer about price?" asked Representative Madison. "N'ever." "Pld you vr ask him about territory In which you were to sell sugar?" "No.'' Did Not Fix Prices. . "Did you err ask him about whan to seiir' t "Yes." ass the raply. "1 frequently sked Mr. Havemeyer for his opinion of th foreign crop and when ne thought It would he a good time for us to unload Our sugsr He would give me hla Idea.' "Hid you follow them?" Mr. Madlaon a.ked. "I did not.'" Mr. Cutler answered "Mr. Havemever may have been a good exoert. but It was difficult for him to Judge our conditions out there." "Wasn't Mr. Havemever also In control con-trol of th Vpreckels sugsr interests In Cellfeewia ?' aeh Mr. Mlsoa, "Mr. Havemeyer one mad a remark to me." said Mr. Cutler, "that led m to believe he wasn't. It waa during the life of Claus Spreckels, 8r. H said to me. TVe own SI per cent of that refinery, but I can't do anything with It. I can't get th Information I want. " "One of the remarkable featureB about thla Investigation." Representatlv Madison Madi-son remarked. "I that vryon seems to think Henry O. Havemeyer was a masterful man. vet no one waa willing to follow hla advice." Mr. Citlr raid he remembered a M- CONSUMER CHARGED rOR FREIGHT ON LOCAL PRODUCT WASHINGTON. June St. That the Mormon church, in enlisting the aid of Henry O. Hsvemever to extend Its bet |