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Show 1 GIBBONS AND TALMAGE. ; Chats With Two Great HlvSneri on Live Hellsfiou ; Matter. ' Cardinal Cibbonx Hopes for a Universal Catholicism He Answers the Qyfttion ; Art Ctlhoiit Ptirsts Ihpoeritst And Tclt Why They Should Do Iletter ! Work Than Protestant Preachers f Diseutses the Sunday Qnertion and I Other Matters Dr Talmagt Pftduts a f nitrrsal Christianity Cit es the 1 Results of Hit Travels Among tha Missionaries of the U ottd and Discusses Fret Thought at Ihme Pitts Wanted father Than Philosophy Ihtiitianity ', in the Kitchens and Catholic Liberalism, Lie The Story of Cardinal Gibbons and the Smallpox Patient, Ipc1fcl Oont-paadanc ' tha Biwi (OcprmbUd !) br rrau. O. carpaaur.) Washington, January 13, iA CIVE VOUTO wi,h w0 ol ' tn ' rIiKkuI A United Sutei. I V,4 refer to hi nl-I nl-I V'V-V. oencv, JameaCar- ' dinat Cibbona of Haltimorr, and the t Rct. T. DeWltt Talma,?a of Wattling- ton. Cardinal Gibbons la the broadcal and lh bijuesl man In tha Catholic Church. Dr. Talmaja Is tha broadest ' and 00a of tha grcatait of the Protw tanta. My Interview with Cardinal Glb-, Glb-, . bona took placa in tha cardinal' noma j at Baltitnora. Thia to a big K'ytone f building of many rooma, aiiuated in the heart of the city, jual Uck of the rathe-dnL rathe-dnL I'aalng up wide atone atepa to , t front door, you preaa an electric i button. The door opena and you are f confrunttd by a negro boy ol a ginger- j bread hue, who taken your card, puts I it on m gtlvcr platter and carriea it into the cardinal. In tha meantime be direrta you to one of the audience parlors and . ,ou wtit your turn. Cardinal Gibbons j Is the head of the Catholic church tn the ' United States, lie has many callers, and his reception tlaya brings crowds I almoat equal to those ot the President J at the White House. My meeting was by appointment, and after a few mom-' mom-' ems 1 beard the swish of the skirts which announced the approach ol the , cardinal lie was dressed in a gown ' of dark cloth embroidered with red, whieb fell frum hit neck to bit feet. A skull cap of bright red covered the I crown ol his bead.and upon his wedding finger, the third finger of the left hand, he wore the great sapphire ring, which la one of the emblems of his clerical ' . runic Ho oflercd me his hand and led I to seat near the window. As he I talked 1 had a good ch.uire to observe at leaturea. Cardinal Gibbons ha e very strong face ilia forehead la high and narrow, reminding yon somewhat ot lome of the picture ol Napoleon Bonaparte Bona-parte taken during tin boyhood. His even are Muc and kindly, hts nose large and ti.ruiit.it, and his mouth strong, but gentle. He ts ulcnder, rather than portly, and Ids form la lite personification personifica-tion ol nervous activity. He is now nixiy-one vfrfra old, hut he dues not look to be more than fifty. He ta a man of ideas and is full of plain, prartiral comnvn sense. He is patriotic American, ami no one ran talk with Mm witnout being imprcsatd by the humanity and rrnihrly liv which ahow out in hi feature. Our talk wan more of a chat than set interview, and 1 give It much as it occurred. A UNIVRRSAL RELICinN. My first question was as to whether hia eminence thought there would ever be a univertul religion. He replied: "I hope so, but wh-n It will como I cannot nay. The world la becoming more ChriMiantikc every day, and we are, 1 hope, gradually Hearing the time when there will be a universal Christianity." I here asked whether he thought that this univcrial religion would he the Catholic religion. He replied with the i same answer, "I hope to," and hia tc. I pon to my quextions gve me Mini ! rraton of the wonderful growth ol the 1 Catholic religion, bald he: "Ol cnuma, 1 believe the Catholic religion to be the I best of all religions. Ilia adapted to all i the neetla ol mankind and man. It is I luted for the elevation of hi son), for I the guidance of hi conduct, and for the 1 satitUt lion ol all hia spiritual want. It is hi ted lor the pour a well a the rich. We welcome the poor, I think, more than do other churchca, and there ii no I Uilicrcnce 111 the treatment of them in I the church. They kneel at the twine con feti ion al, and, aa far as pmsihlr.they are uu the same footing in the church. 1 do nut mean to say that there it not much good in the I'rotcstant religion, but I think that nearly every other church la lacking tn some particular. The Catholic Church it complete. It has the good elements of all otuera, and it i lacking 111 nothing. These are aume ol the region ol 11 permanency and constant growth.'' Upon my saying that there were tome diiiervnces even among Catholics as to Uicir belief, the cardinal went on. 'i do nut know that there should not be diilercnces of bcltt-l as to reliioui matters. Ol course, the main principles ol Christianity are the same, but as long as men have different minds there will be ddleretit theories as to ttie details, aa to die lines ol policy in the management of churches, and aa to Interpretation of certain parts ol the Scripture. AMR CATHOLIC paiBSTS HVI'OCAITR? The conversation hern turned to the great strides lately made by the Ca'holic Lhurch in Anierit a, and a to the earnest work done by the priests, whereupon I aked. '"Your eminence. there I one question I would like to put to you not lor information, in-formation, for I think on that ground the quit I ion would be both a loolih and in-suiting in-suiting one, hut on the ground tli.it many Illiberal Vrot stauu believe otherwise. 1 he question 1: Are well educated Catholic honrt? Are your pneMs honest in their acceptance of all the truths of your rhurrhf Jo you peo I pie believe what you preach?" "In other words,'' replied Cardinal Gibbons, "you want mr to answer the j question at to whether Catholic pnests j are not a a rule hypocrites. The ques tion is, as you Kay, a silly one. Look at ill What i there in the life of a priest to mike it the choice ot a liypcx rite. The man who would devote himself to it ha to give up the most of the things win. h the world hold dear. I will not mention all ol them, but I will lake only one. hur instance, that of personal chastity The priest can never marry. When he decide to enter the ministry he must give up the hope of wife, children child-ren and home, and must devote himself, soul end body, to the church. This, in many cases, would prevent men Irorn becoming priest a. The life of the pncit hood is not an eay one. It is one ot hardship and subordination Ttie priest is subicct lobe sent, at the will of his superiors, anywhere, at any time. He may be ordered lo the wildest countries uf the world, and he must go. His whole hie is given up to the srrvlmt ul his people, and it is hi duty to visit the pest houses, and lo minister to I tie sick there, evcu al the risk of his life.' A STOIty or CARDINAL 'UNIONS. As Cardinal Gibtons said this, my mind went back over his career snd I rernemtiered an incident in it which show thai he believes what he ayt and : that In the past he has had the courage I of his conviction. It wh long before he had any t.ote ol being a cardinal. I was when he was a humble priest in a small country parish near niltimure Smallpox had broken out in his village ml all of hi parishioners ho were able had lied from the town. One poor old negfo who had the disease lay at the point ol death. He had been deserted by hi friends ami family, who had left him neither food nor medicine. The young priest heard ol the cie and hastening to the dying negro's aide he remained with him uutd the last, i hen ttie question came as to bis burial. Thre wa no one who would raiie a hand at the ri-k ol his life to nid in currying the corpse to the grave. Father Gibbuns was lelt alone with tne dead. It did not tapte turn long to nuke up his nn ml. He determined to be undertaker under-taker a well as minister, and so having obtained a coltm he placed the body m it, and 111 some way or other dragged it to the grave. He put it in the ground, performed the List rites uf the church over it and buried it, and then went uu with his work among the sick. WltV CATHOLIC I'RIKHTfl ailOl'l D IK) IIUKI IIIAN lKOrii!TANr PKKACHhllS. As 1 thought of this I realised that this nun's ideal of a Chmtun hie was higher than that ol many other religious nun 1 have known. 1 wondered it there were many ol hi kind 111 the church, and 1 asked him it he thought that Catholic Cath-olic priesta were really ul inure value in their work In the church than 1'rotestant pn-arhers. "Thai I cannot answer," replied the cardinal, ''I do not want to criticise any man. 1 will only say I think they ought to be. They have. In the first place, their whole time to devote to their work. Suppose I, lor instance, had wife and family. I could not accomplish a much as I do now. My income, 1 suppose, I what would not be considered con-sidered small, but had 1 wife and family I could not give a much to charity a I do now, nor would I be tree to go at all time where the necessities of my business busi-ness call m. Or, perhaps 1 can better illustrate it to you by supposing a case of two newspaper men. lioih have starred star-red on their journalistic careers. They are evenly prepared as to intellectual ability and education. Kach has his own p'ace to ma'ie in hi profession. Sup. pose one should aay, I am going to get married and have a good time. 1 am going 1000 wnai 1 can, oui 1 win all the good thing! of life aa I go along, and modeling his career on the basis he begins his newspaper work. His family and siKi.ll hie lake up a great part ol his time and his energies. 1 he other man decides to have no mistress but his pro fession. It is his only aim, hi only thought. Which in the end wilt do the best work. ,4Then, again, speaking of Catholic priests," the cardinal continued, '! wonder won-der if you reaine how long it takes them to prepare themselves lur their work. It requires twelve years of hard study (or the best ol masters helore they are deemed worthy to have charge ol a cnurcn. lneboywhoicelstti.il he ia called by the Lord lo the piietiod, i having already received a large part ot his common school education, has at tha 1 sue ol h! tern 10 go into a college and to remain there tor six years, studying the ordinary branches, the sciences etc., in connection with his religious work, and at the end of this lime he has si years more ol theological training Ho Is as I siKiated with tile best tii n-lt ol the1 church, and these twelve years are, as a ; rule, those of the hardest kind ol study and work." j Ilia Bt'NDAV QI'IISTIOM. 1 The conversation here turned to the, Sunday question, and I asked thecardi- u al as tuwhetber he was in lav or ol the Kuropean or the l'uittan Sunday. He replied that he wa in favor ot Sunday otiservance, but that hia ideal Sunday whs nut the I'uri an, nor was it the huro pean Sunday. Said he: "I like the closing of the shop and all kind of business on Sunday, and I think it is a blessing for Baltimore and fur all of our cities that this is compulsory. 1 think all kinds ol work should bo stopped on that day I hope we shall never have the Ku rope an Sunday tn America. Sunday should be a day of religious r st, but it alko should be a day ui innocent recreation. recrea-tion. I du not thuiK il wrong for a man I to go nut riding with his lam ly on Sun-I Sun-I day afternoons, nor to take a walk in 1 the fields. I think that it should be a' day ul cheerfulness without dissipation ol religious eiMoment without sadness lor melancholy. Tho luriian Sunday goes too tar, and the ideal Sunday u me I K "Cardinal Gibbons ha the broadest Ideas as regard capital and labor. He believe in labor organisations, but frowns upon the walking delegate and says that whoever tries to sow discord between the capitalist and the laborer is an enemy to social o-der. Ha hits many time had great inllucnce with tite Ialoring classes in time ol strike, and has dune much tu harmonize the differences differ-ences which exist between them and their employers. He I an enthusiastic American, thoroughly believing In the separation in this country of church and state, and an enthusiastic patriot upon all occosions. TALMAfiK ON WORLD-WIUft CHRISTIANITY It was at the close of one of Dr. Tel-m Tel-m ape's lectures oq his trip around the wpnd that I chatted with him on rcltrio" matter, nutting much the same questions ques-tions s those 1 asked of Cardinal Gio bom as to a universal religion. Slid It "Alter all your travels, doctor, do you still believe that the people of the world will some uay be altogether Chrmtanr"' "Yes," replied Dr. Talmage. "I have no doubt whatever ol tli.it. I believe It because God never launched a Iniiure. '1 he only salvation for tnls worli is the Christian religion. Its acceptance by all people and the carrying out ol i's principles princi-ples would lorm the crowning beauty of this wondrrful universe. God built this world. He cannot do otherwiso than see it completed in its perfection and entity. Sin cannot prevail. The devil cannot triumph. The world Is steadily moving on toward the good. It Is better every day. Its progress In charily, philanthropy phil-anthropy and goodness Is wonderful. We go back x years to find suitable philanthropist to use as examples or models in our speeches on chanty today. The greatest philanthropists of the world are those who are living now. There are so many of them that no one thinks ot them. Schools are founded, great hospital are built, and churches are established es-tablished almost every week by charity any one ol which would have created a gieat sensation had it been built suo years ago. We take il now as a mailer ol course, and a donation of hundreds uf thousands of dol'tr i hardly worth ac Assuciatcd l'rcsa dispatch.' INFIDELITY All ROAD. "Speaking of foreign missions, doc i or, Is It not a fact that the heathens often an leaving their own religions becosae Inli-Ocls, Inli-Ocls, and accept no religion?'' "Yes, sometimes,'' was the rep'y, ''Rut nut aa much as Is generVly supposed. sup-posed. The missionaries are doing a vast deal of good. They are doing wunders in Japan, and they are revolutionizing revolu-tionizing India. 1 met with nothing in my travels wLh impressed me so much as the religions of India. Hindooiam and Muhammeonnism have for years been hardening the hearts aud lives ol ttie people there, and the condition ot tha women is humble. 1 assure you 1 would rather be a horse, a hog or a cow in America than a woman in India." FRKK T I lOt OUT AT HOMB. "How atiout free thought in Ant erica? Do you think infidelity is spreading!'' "No, I do not," was the reply. ' ' I here are more churches now than ever before. Religion may be gnawed just as other things, according to the supply and the demand. Il there is not a great demand there will not be a grt at supply. We have new churches because ttiere are men to till them; and ttie size of our churches and their number increase every year. More money is spent on religion now than ever before. The Christian st-inds higher in the community, communi-ty, undthe day has now come when men are not alraid of being called Christians. In aome respebta the chunhea hava changed. Kehgion ia more literal, and mure a matter ol the soul. The lences between the sects ate being lowered. Christians are becoming united, and ihev are working together. 1 he old questions of sect and doctrine are pas. it-g away, and wenra nearmg the cuhdi in. u of a united Christianity. Take the tio truul sermons. The people will not stand them now as tiiey did In the past. They want matter that will ht lp them, and they do.i't care aa to quihb'c about the letter of the law. Preaching doctrinal sernior.i i like having a physician phys-ician wh'i, caiiing upon yuii when yuu are sick, instead of g.vin- you some-thing some-thing to help you, delivers a lecture on physiology. You tell him at once that yov don t care as to the length of your intestines or the location o the bones. What you want is pills rather than phtl. oiophy, and you want ihem quick. The termon m demand today is tlu.t which is helpiul in matt. Here Is a body with the old rut of sin and trouble running i across its hack end over its head. There is the preacher, the phyfticinn who brings the gospel ol Christ, the one piaster wh'Ch will heal the wound. The question ques-tion is how to get the plaster on the wounds, and that is all." CtiaiSTIAlTV IN Till KlTCHCNa. "Have you noticed the great change which is going on in Catholicism to the United States, Hoctorr" J asked. "Ye," replied Dr. Talmage, "the Catholic are becoming more hociat. 1 have faun in the honesty of their profession, profes-sion, and 1 believe that they do at much good perhaps as any other religious re-ligious sect. I tell you there is more religion re-ligion in our kitchen than In our parlor; par-lor; and you will find as much true Christianity among the Catholic servants ser-vants aa among tho Protestant mistresses, mis-tresses, I have had two Catholic girls in my employ lur years, and they have as much laitb tn their religion aa 1 have in mine.'' |