| Show AROUND THE WORLD WITH GRANT John ilus 3oll Young Chats of Ills Experiences With General Grant at Homo and Abroad Raw Grant Traveled and How He Escaped the Crojlds His Friendship tilth Li Hung Chang and How lie naientnl a liar Eel tiem Japan and China The Four Greatest Men Grant Knew Why lie Liked lleaconsfield Rather Than Gladstone fntereiltnz Stories of Grant and Horace Greeley II hal Grant Thought of1J vm ill Stanton and flow lie Came to Mate Hun Sn prcmc Court Justice The Third Term and Giants Ideas Concealing Abraham Lincoln and the Presidential Maggot A Curious Midnight Chat at the White House ill liar Times Gossip About John Hay Ihe Chinese Mi lion and its Importance Copyrighted 187 by Funk G Carpenter special Correspondence of the NBWB WASHINGTON CApril sand 1897 W SPENT an afternoon th s week In chatting with John ill j e Russell Young about his ext tt ex-t pcilcnces with General Grant and with some of the other 1 famous men whom ho has I known Mr Young is the I I I most eminent newspaper correspondent i t 1 cor-respondent the day Hers I lone 01 our best writers oC pUle English and he has for I iF years been one of our chief j l in cq molders of public opinion 0 yQO For the past generation i his elation with the lead ng men of the time have been cry close As a boy he knew President Lincoln seward and Stanton While he was correspondent for the New York Herald In London he saw much of Gladstone Salisbury and Beaconsfield and also came into contact with Prince Hlsmatk lambetta and other famous men of that time As our minister to China he made a strong friend of Li Hung Chang and when the great viceroy made a visit to this country last year he came to Philadelphia and pent a day with Mr Youngs family It was during his tour around the world with General i Grant that John Russell Young first met Li Hung Chang and today there Is no man living outside of General Giant own family who has sustained such close relations to our greatest military hero Mr Young Is now fifty sit years ol age but his blue eyes are as bright as they Jewere when he began his newspaper holder at the age of career as a copy I fifteen In the office of the Philadelphia Press and his brain is at active as it was I ben be Lode out to the battlefields to > report the occurrences of the late civil war Mr Young Is a delightful talker His words flow as smoothly in his can 1 versa lion as In his writing and his talk i jgls full ot striking comparisons I J011H HAY IN THE VIIITB HOUSE to Our conversation opened with a word about John Hay who has just gone to + IEngiandto take Bayards place as am fbassador to Great Britain Mr Young Isald saidI have known Colcnel Hay since he came to Washington now about thirty six years ago 1 had been sent here by < > w For 1 the Philadelphia Press John He was also cey was then the editor secretary if the Senate and I was hire ns his assistant to write for the paper and to do whatever he asked me to do One of my duties was to carry the papers horn the Senate to the White i louse John Hay had been brought to Washington by President Lincoln on account ac-count of h s friendship for Hays lather t Mr Lincoln warned to give John the 11 ducal lonal advantages cl the position end he had him made one of Ins private I secretaries 1 remember well how rCjionel Hay looked the early sixties lie had cheeks as rosy as those of an I Irish milkmaid and he was a rather i girlish looking fellow President Lint Lin-t coin who was quick to discover what there was in men had seen that Hay had considerable literary ability and heave he-ave him Ihe answering of such Utters and notes as needed especially good ordlng lie would tell Hay what to say and would generally sign the letters let-ters without changing them Even in those day John Ifay was fond of writIng L writ-Ing poetry He often showed me verses which he had written and now and then I I rs he would read them over to meA me-A MIDNIGHT CHAT WITH LINCOLN How did President Lincoln Impress a3 you Mr Young 1 asked He I did not seem as great a mn tome to-me thtn as he does now Thecanonlz ticn of Lincoln did not begin until some lime alter his death He had come little idiosyncrasies of pronunciation and action which hid to a certain extent his real greatness His wonderful riodtsty and simplicity was partially the cause of his nonappreciation He was perfectly simple In all of his ways I can give you an Incident which illustrates what I mean Colonel Torney owned in sdcli lion to the Philadelphia Press the Washington Chronicle and I was sometimes some-times left in charge One night when this was the case we received a Richmond I Rich-mond paper which in some way had been smuggled through the lines which s contained a dispatch staling that Charleston had been taken It was very difficult to get such papers and they often Rave us Important advance news This paper came in about 2 oclock in the morning As I read it it teemed tome to-me that the resident ought to know of 1 the car lure ot Charleston i I was only a boy but 1 decided to go to the White House end tell him iia I took the foreman ol the office and together we walked to the Whit Hcu e We rang the bell and after a time a messenger opened it lie tod us In response to my request to see Mr Lincoln that he had long since gone to Led and was now deep I 1 Hut said I we have Important news for him I have received information Informa-tion which he should have and i am sure he ought to be waked up to hear I it Alter a while the messenger said he would go to the Presidents bed room and awaken him He went A few moments lam the President came down = > = c clad In nothing but his night shirt lie asked us to step into the east room I remember as he walked in front of u > that his long shirt flapped against his legs and lint as he sat on the sells unl listened he threw one bare leg over tho knee 01 the other and scratched at the hairy calf I told him that I had a Richmond Rich-mond newspaper staling that Charleston was taken whereupon he asked me for the date lof the pacer When I replied he said that he had adices two days later than that which stated that the din 11I1tha0 bombardment was still going zeelously on I remember nolle ng that he pronounced bombardment as though it was spelled bombardment and zealously as though its first vowel was along a-long e Well the result was that we found our news to be of no account The Presidents spies had gIven him ill formation in i advance ol mine and I was ol course much I mortified to find that I sl I I had disturbed the President for no purpose pur-pose He put meat my ease however saying that he was glad to be awakened at any t me to hear good news even illt Was at 4 oclock instead I of s He I went with me to the door and said goodbye without shoeing any feeling whatever about being aroused from his sleep alter midnight LINCOLN AND GRAN1 What were the reations between President Lincoln and General Grant I asked MVJn were perfectly friendly replied i f nriLr Mr Young president Lincoln afpre dated Grdnts ability but Grants military mili-tary reputation was such that for a time he feared that he might be a candidate against him for renomination as PICSI deft 1 was present during a conversation conversa-tion at the While House I in 1864 which showed me that this was the case 1 was rot well at the time and I had called at the White House with Col Fernet that I might get an order from President Lincoln lo go South When we anlved we found Secretary Slanton and ex Senator Morgan of New York with the President Alter a time the ccnversa lion turned to Grant and President Lincoln Lin-coln said 18a 1 am curious to know what that man Grant is going to do down at Vicks hurt I have feared for some time that hU success might make him a presiden Hal candidate out 1 have just received news that he has no ambition in that direction di-rection feared that lie might have the presidential grub in his brain That Is a curious worm and if it once attacks a man It is hard to get rid of I have suf feted from it for lour years and It still I ouJ rAtlI al slicks to me In order to learn how Grant stands I sent for Russell Jones the marshal for the northern dSlllct 01 IImois He is l you know one of Grants closest friends I asked him if tile presidential maggot had yet attacked Grant GrantNo No Mr President was Tones reply re-ply 1 can assure you that Gen Grant is frece from that ambition He has only two ideas The first is to put down the rebellion and fie second is to see you reelecled President of the United StateS I know of what I am speaking and ou can be sure 1 am right At this Mu Lincoln j threw hlmsell cki in his chair and concluded That statement of JonesIs a great relief 10 me GRANT AND THE THIRD TERM Did Grant really desire a third term as President of the United Stales Mr YoungI asked No replied John Russell Young General Grart had no Idea that such a thing was thought of until after the movement was well under way Before he went around the world I had a talk with him at Malaga Spain in which I asked him as to this matter He then privately told me that h < s would not again be a candidate for Ihe presidency and that he had no desire lor another term lie was so positive In his statement state-ment that I did not bung up the su fleet again although I could see that he felt his experiences and observations during his trip around the world would have enabled him to do a vast deal ol good for our country had he had these ad vintages boro being President I remember re-member hearing him say several times upon noticing certain things in the Caret Car-et I wish had known this ten years a ago Suppose Grant had been elected third I time Mr Young would I his administration ad-ministration been of value lo the coon tfl F oThe loss to the United States by the failure to make Grant President a third time cannot be estimated Mr Young emphatically repled Roscoe Conk ling who you know delighted in striking strik-ing expressions said to me once in talking l about this matter 1 The battle at Waterloo put back progress in France at least six centlllles The defeat cf Grant has put back the progress oC ILis country just as much Hid Grant been elected upon his return re-turn from h s trip around the world continued AIr Young he would have not only kept the Monroe doctrine as to this hemisphere but he would I have applied ap-plied it to the whole coast cf East Asia it would have been upheld from Peking to Singapore The Unitd States would have insisted upon the autonomy ol China Japan and Corra and would have resisted every ellbrtof Russia and ling Ian to make those countries merely trade appendages of themselves It would have enormously Increased our trans Pacific trade and by reciprocity treaties the western part of our country would have had a large Shale of the trade of cast Asa AROUND THE WORLD WITH GRANT How did you happen to go with General Grant around the world Mr Young You were Its only newspaperman newspaper-man of the party General c Grant asked ma to gears a personal friend and not is a newspaper correspondent He did not care what the newspapers said lie was never a seeker after notoriety and he was anxious to keep In the background rather than in the front As it was he had nothing to do with my newspaper I work He had no objection to my writing and I wrote < Just as I pleased I lie read much of my matter afier it was published and seemed lo like it n What kind or a traveler was General Grant Did he observe things closely In ked Yes was the reply Grant wag a careful observer Ho studied the people peo-ple and their custom the government and the public works He olten went about incognito as it were with me We would slip out ol the back doors ol the hotels and thus avoid the crowd We were not known when nwiy from the hotels Jn we took long rues r and walks in nearly every foreign city we visited GRANTS TOUR GRrTEST MCS It was you Mr Young who asked Grant 10 name the lour greatest men Kind met during his tour around the world worldY Yes replied John Russell Young I asked that question of him when we were crossing the J Pacific on our way et home We were discussing the great I men jf the llerent countries when I asked the general whom he thought were really preeminent among them He replied I have met four men during this Hip whom consider really great They are IleacoasfieU Gimbetta Humrck and Li Hung Chang undhe added 1 am not sure tut that LI Hung Chang is i Ihs greatest ol the lour Grants relation with LI Hung Chang were very close were tnev not Yes replied Mr Young General Grant spent some weeks with Li while he was in China and the twj grew to be very Intimitc They would sit for hour together chatting ol all kinds of thing You see Grant was looked upon as a monarch in those foreign countries lie had all the honors of a monarch and through his influence he was able to doa do-a great deal ol good for Chili He settled set-tled the trouble which was then brewing I between China and Japan Hid he not done so the Cnlnese Japanese war would have probably occurred then It was through huircodshp with Li and with the Japanese statesmen that he was enabled to reason away the CaUses of the war Had Grant been elected for a third term I dont think there would l Ja I have been a war between t those two era dons Why did Grant choose Ileaconsfield rather than Gladstone as the greatest English statesman that he had met Mr Young I ratter think that Grants feeling turned more toward naconilicld on account ac-count ol licaconsfieldi sympathy with the North during the sr rat General 1 I Grant hid little friendship or admiration with those who Bimpitnlzed or aldd Ihe South when our nation was in peril I thought I noticed this with all of the noteJ people horn Grant met during his may ill Eland lie treated everyone every-one courteously but hu did not warm ua toward such men as sympathized with Ih South among whom were Gladstone and Salisbury THE MISSION TO CIIINA How did you like your work as minister min-ister to China Mr Young I 1 Very much so the reply I had mVLr fP3 met LI through 1 General Grant and when I came back as minister I found him very friendly and through him I was aile to get much done for the United States r StatesWhen yon were sent out to China Mr Young did yon have any special slrurtions No was the reply I was appointed appoint-ed by President Ar hur I thought he might have some such message to give m and before I lest I called upon him aud asked him If there was anything he wanted me to lie replied No all I I have to say is dont get us into tOdaYA tfet trouble and do as you tC u please Secretary inghuysen said the same thing only in diflercnt language and I was one of the few ministers who went out without any special Instructions Instruc-tions Is the mission to China a very im poitdntooc I think It Is replied Mr Young dtIJ just now I believe it I ris a much moro important place than any other in our whole diplomatic service It should be filled by a man capable of understanding under-standing the situation and of taking care of our inters sts In the far East The countries ol East Asia are on the edge cf a chinge and the times are full of diplomatic pcslbihtes England Kmia Germany and Trance are all pi 1 ttlng udn nrkit lo get the t Eastern trade and yon cannot tell what situations situa-tions may arise Not only China but also Japan Corea and Siam are Involved I In the struggle and our ministers lo these countries should be able men > ann such that they can work together for the r j good ol America and American inter ood plan lo com I lists It might be a food blue them in some way having separate ministers as now but making the others r 1 subordinate to or in a certain way advisory ad-visory with the minister to Poking d STORIES OF HORACE CREELEY You were instrumental In bringing General Grant und Horace Greeley sJ gether Mr Young What were the real J atlons of the two I dont think they ever really understood I under-stood each other was the reply I B1 knew Horace Grecley right well for f IOU know I was at one time one of the jl editors of the Tribune I thought 1 t Greeley ought to know Grant and I believe had the two became thoroughly I J acniu nleil they would have been strong < friends Greeley however did not like I 1 f i generals as civil officers He did not j s think that success In war should lead to il political advancement He was a man I of many cranky notions one of which t I remember was that a college education i educa-tion 1 spoiled I a mm for newspaper work Continued on page ten AROUND THE WORLD WITH GRANt Continual from tog nine lie did not want college bled men about him I and he had other Ideas of n slm ar nature He was aha a man ol Intense convictions he was thori u hly honest strenuous and bold and when he thought he was right ou could not move him GRANT AND GREKLHV Where dirt Grant h st meet Greeey1 II a all in New York General G ant was stoppinK In the clly al the limtand I was anxious that he and Gncley should become set Ill aintedsj one day I asked him II I I he would olject to meet In j Gre ynisHe rep I il int lie would ildsjlle no and 1 then arranged to have the two to crme to breakfast ulth me together at Delmonicos In I the lint place I asked Grceey II be would obje t toG meeting to-G and upon Iis I salut bath bat-h e wuild like to meet him we fixed ihe brkla1 for the rcxt morning Uli n Le we met at the able Greeley opened tbe convcsauon by asking Grant some Gto MIT11 questions alout farm ng in the Uest Isuppotehe mere y aid this expecting log to turn II later on 10 more iPttant matt M At any rate he first referred in G ststs hv all Ih Pacific s ope and asked him hnw dp Ihe peaule plowd mere viram InJ lhim and this can vcrsatloa was continued Grint knew more about faimmg than I noJelbg 1aGreee IsTs and lo 1 my Intense I digu r day I hardly know the dllfence be tweell a call and a h1 Her they kept the farm I Ik up throughout tile breakfast on J they left the table wltlout being any closer togther ban b fore I a it loss RlIemoled 10 bring Ih Iwo together while G ant was President continued Mr Youn C GinMl Gran was inxiout to be Greeleys friend and In speaking of this in trie White lions one day I all him 1 that II he would writ altler to Greelev I would take It to him and ihit Greeley would co tie onto on-to I the White House and see him Uen eral Grant thereupon sat down and rapidly wrote a teller ol three pages He was a lat writer you know and rarely dan eJ a mord alter it was written writ-ten This leiter I wis a cordial invitation toGreelty to come over to the Wilt House and talk things over presented it to Grtey at New Yotk and a ew Gree RtmNew a O ktsanlssa ile1w days la er he came to Washington He called upm Giant at the hits House and theo spent ati hour or so together but 1 omow or other they did not get cloe 10 on a a10ther Tney were both v modeSI men backwArd and retiring I lId a ihlrd person a mutual friend been preent they ml hl have teen drawn au nd have bc me friends but htrd was no one Grry all I Ittle I Grant was rather reserved and Gretley wnl away vldnly thinking him dull and not realizing Ihe great capacity I hch he hJ GRANT AND STANTON What were the leailons between Gneral Grant and Edwin M Sianioll I dint mink btanlon arprrelated Grant replied J ln Russell Young I Stanion was a very great man an i a man whom ihe people did not understand under-stand Giant looked upon Inn as his fr end and I think that Grant craved Mantons friendship billl I the two men did not g t close toietlur I liberal them made friends easily Grants shyness shy-ness was so great that it was hard to become be-come acquainted with him lie flt that Stamen had treated him very will while the latter was Secretary ol War and he always was gratt Cut to him I One tf the list ihlngi he did when be ulis 1leslde1 was to show Ills pppreclatlon fit SljOJLn Some ol Mr bunions friends had ca led at the White House They said to Giant Mr President Mr Stanton is very ill I He has no money and he has given his lie I to Ills country He cox needs rest and if you could vive him ihe 1dN doli sh 1 1 d mission to the Neherlands I or lobwizer Ind or 10 BIgium the Income from Ihe pi ice would be sufficient support him and he might recover his health I I Upon ti is General Grant replied I think Mr Stanton deserves the highest high-est honors that tne country ran Rive him The places you have requested are of minor importance There is howeier a vacancy on the bench ol t hUn h-Un Id Scat p Supeme Court and ll Mr Stanton Is willing I will send his name In lor that place at once I only wi > b I could do him still higher honor When the doctor told this to Mr Stanton he received It with tears lie was given the appointment ol associate jusiiceand was confirmed by the Senate This was the 2oth of December 1869 and four days later he died CFooI |
