Show Senator Sherman a I A Vllt to tho Greet 1 innnttlt r nt 1IM MimsfloUl Homo tuicl tt clint With Him J About Inblio Mutter III TaW of Hit Great Kind Sales of iSjy and Tells lbj the flashers AttmtltJ jar IJilionlA SJIOtJooo Telegram and a Slote hand Order for nio gaatttilkellMtrnmenl StoctKMteMlfi ftoojoooo ef lIoJJI and llov lla ftMt Nit fairs lou Mo Senator Afitmin Tilli lit > Ketumftion CtmtHi Discusses Hit ftetiJtntlal Office ad lilt t Some Atm Meat ai to Out CUi rtntivtIte ffeatl of He ltajntg Candid ilei and says the issues II ill II > I Tar amd MhtraitMliit ManUln fileiary Hart nd Heln J Utility of Hit itsit heir eta Ihttt and Gmtllnr at Ie He fx itii Oiltiin Itwtt AIM Culminate t Ikt Aiiatitnition ef Cur irS mnirninti effa Niws entree Calrashh I MM tr nsak u Can alt r j UIAi I NOT A + iw candidate lor Hie I < presidency and If 1 s1 w a v n I all the people of l i Z the United States + should lorn together d ofler d it gether and to me I would I not accept the position I am too old JNJ man ol seventytwo has the tight to undertake Ibo work and responsibility res-ponsibility which come to the chief ue cutive of the United States It U n position of wear and tear and should hones > ounger mn These were the words Senator John Sherman as we sat together In a little iiiaimer house lust back of his Ohio home and feasted our eyes on olio ol the moil beautiful farming scenes ol the tailed States For miles on three sides tins rising and falling In billowy rolls intended the fat farms ol Klchland county a vast cray quilt of man colored color-ed crops Away off 10 the rich was the new Ohio reform school looking like a castle with Its walls of gray stonework stone-work Nearer still In the valley were the big factories which have made Mansfield I one tithe richest III and ties business points In Ihe UnllcdStates and just In front of us far oil on the northern horizon lay the county fair rounds where the races were then gain on and which Senator Sherman tgoing me we could see through his telescope tele-scope lit 1 were Interested In the horse or wanted to gets sight of Mansfields sporting men 1 was more Interested however In an the coming race lor the presidency and I had asked Ihe Sell I tor point blank the question as tow to-w he would again tact candidate The above was his reply It came from his lips In firmslnrp and decisive lone I and I could see from the expression ol l his face that his presidential t ambitions have passed forever WIIAT Tile IKF9IDIMML OtrlCK SHOULD nx After making the above remark he stopped a moment In seeming meditation medita-tion and then went on Ye i the presidency Ins always been n psalaots nt 1 great wear and tear It bus broken down many men In Ihe past It will probably do the lame In the future And still I dont sco why It tioukl ba vu have I a different Idea of the residency I than that which has been irl hel1 by many of our I Ircsldeiits I i be Ieve Hut the chief evecutlve should be a mm of leisure rather than an olficUl hack lie should have lime to consider and study Ihu great matters of public policy connected with his olhce and he should not worry himself over details Dine should be tell to his subordinates III 1 cabinet ministers should lellcve him from all that drudgery Thy 1 should be his assistants In the earning out ol his policy lie should rely upon them to do their work and he should not devote his lime and brain to examining the papers ol petty postmasters or of the lide walters at every small custom house He I should rely I upon Ins cabinet ministers to carry ofbn policy II Ihey du nut like his policy and will not accept It let 1 him discharge them and take others Hut he has no right to fritter away his vital force on clerical details HOW AtlKAIIAU LINCOLN KULKU W hat residents have upprcciitcd IJ this last Senator said I and have saved themselves Inc 1110RrCa1 U turbans with which they had to deal Senator Sherman thought a moment and then replied Abraham Lincoln I think did so more thai 1 any of the cabin oft ehose great men for his cabinet certo onrr ho IruMed Wows I lie lelt each mon to do Ins own work and he often laughed at the members of I his cabinet on account ol the fuss they made about their trouble with ollice seekers nnd their details of official lanagernent Lincolns mind was taken up with the great things of the war He I lad only one Idea anal that was to save Idf f he Union This i was the Idea that dominated the country and the whole ht lhj lotth I during his presidency It over shadowed everything else and It A orbed orb-ed him As for Cleveland he Is I a busy body and he must know everything Oho I will be the I Republican candi I date for the presidency Senator I asked I cannot say I have learned not to irophesy much as to Ihe luture 1 can lee no further Into a millstone than any other man What you ask as to the past lu I will be glad to answer but not I as to the 1 halite f I can only 1 say that l we do not lack good candidates There Is I Recd of Maine Ills ability is beyond clues I lion and he would be acceptable to the Republican party Hlslocallty Is I against ilm however rherclsMcKlnley lie Is an able mm and will make a good candidate He will I believe have the support ol Ohio an11 I would like to sea him nominated I Cuing further I west we find Senator Allison He I Is a round man and has a good record He would make a goad candidate and good resident I think I the situation Is such that there li little doubt of our electing a President and that n Republican + will lake his scat In the White House I In It t 7 What t will be the Issues They will be the tarltt and the finin chl question The Democrats have so tampered with the tarlll that Ihey cannot can-not raise enough revenue to pay the governments expenses and this will luau to bet remedied l The silver quo lion will come up In some shape or other and this may divide the Umn erotic party I dost believe Hut it will really Injure the Republican part > MUST IIAXK A tlNULK STAMlVKH > Will the Republican party ever cv Poole the cause ol a double standard > enator I asked I think not replied Senator Sherman Sher-man You cant hive tivorUudirds ot money You may have gold or you may leave sliver but you cant have both m standard At thin present value anc 01 lluctuillon ofsiUer I l 1 lont think there Is I any danger ol the people choosing II I as our standard There U i a wide misimpression mis-impression and misunderstanding con ceinlng the condition I of silver 1 in tin I Unlled F Stair Ua hive more silver In tile now than ever before There Is f50000000 worth of sitter In circula tlun which Is I represented by sitter ccr tlficates and there is 6 < nocoo worth ol gold As a reserve lund redeem the gold we have icouwooo In Iho treasury or less tb in one third As a reerve fund 10 redemlhe sitter cer tlficalci we have enough bullion and silver dollars to redeem them dollar for abhor In silver In I other words there Is three times as much silver ns cold used l and In circulation The slU er howe how-e cr Is used as A subsidiary coin Vc will l never have anything hke bimotalll5l11 In If country except to a ch uite 01 ratio No International agreement w II ever be reached for the use of sitter and ROC at Ihe rttm of 16 to i whkh n dc mamled by the bee coinage adtocilc cl 1 I He United buns Ills free salver movement Is nude upol the same elm meets which compoied lnt the t greenback movement along late In the aeventiea They then Slid I lv the country would go to ruin If the government lid I not shovel out greenbacks by the hundreds of millions They prophesied resump lion could never take plate They always al-ways belong to that elm who want ID contract debts Ina dear money and then change the laws so they can pay latent J In a cheaper money They I did 1 eYn i Rot succeed In the past lien tnnot lucced IIOW HOW KISIMPTION 1AM Ir iou were Secretary of the I Treasury Senator Sherman under lr 1 < ident IUes at the lima of resumption and iou were author of Ihe resuuiptlun net 1 I bid iou nut find It easier toiesume than you thought Yes I suppose so replied Stnator Sherman 1 hnve always had laith In he business ability of the American ncople I hive always believe I in their lonesly I am an opllmlit rather than n pessimist nnd I never lost faith in our aba lhly to pay our debts tis ten I became be-came Secretary ol 1 the Treasury I I 1 rev fI lo el1 tl i1 duel lieiel the debt could be redo let and that our rate ol f Interest I cuul I he f keened keen-ed though I nail no lieu how innikly 1 0111 l how east tba 1 latter could be d Iulle I When I became Secretary ol the hues I cry we had about mrn hun Ired millions of redeemible late anal lie per cent bonds outstanding athl l then HAS a contract existing betel isviuluate of hankers in Hill loun r > an I I urope lor the sale of threi hundred I anthhons ul I bonds at 4j ptr cent Ihrsel J Ioindo > were to be sold fur refunding purposes Ant about I 900 exnuuo wiitlh ha 0 d hen sold before I Incline brcreur I thoucht tills could In reduce mid I wrote a letter to the KMhchilds hotily after I becime Secretary telling them I I proposed I It ullhdraw tiles Inure Is ns soon n their sale reacheiI fi u < > as lixpcrisd I to pulanur I per rant bond on the marker At 1 tins time there didn ieei1 to bo much ol n demand lor Ihe jj per cents They I nere below loU In lurope and only a little above par 1 here The unnouiieemcnt of the prospective four per cents caused then to rise and 1 within about three month I J the whole two hundred million i were liken I he credit ol the couiurv rose and I got par for my lour per cent bundi Then Introduced j met III ill thirteen bill were Introduced to repeal the resum pilot act and a large number ol either bills were bronchi loith to restore the un limited colnige of Ihe silver Iullar which was then worth eighty I live cent s in gold This scared the investors and the subscriptions to the lour per cent bonds ceased As Congress went on however It was seen tint these bills could nut pass and during the next session the peope saw Hut resumption was tubes fixed fact and the lour percents per-cents ag nn came up I I had sold enough to give toes sulliclent gold reserve and on the ist ol lanuar 179 the govern nicnt was ready to giv e l nl for all legal i l tender nol alt It our urprlse 110 one emod 10 anI II Olle ell known nanclcr ol New York hid sold only n buy months befote lint i he would Jvc Stoma i to be at the head of the line on me day til roumplion lie eoulu have gotten his place lor nothing It 1 was Isle to the Iy only that a lew stragglers came In und asked lor coin and at the end 1 of the first day uf lesumptlol the cove rmnent really hid more coin than it had III the morning CRAM 1ow I IIONDs Hut how about the bonds I Senator asked I They had been selling steadily was the reply and after resumption the I + cople ware traay to get them One undreil and I fifty million dollars worth of the 4 per cents were told during January Jan-uary and this against f > ou > uou Ihe preceding month We called in tav r Increased 1 bonds and 1 still the subscriptions i ncreased Along about the J ist r April he bonds began In appreciate and 1 here 1 was a great rush to get them U is f lundrcd and lilty million dollars I worth ere taken In one d my and I received a tclegrini one morning nt a cabinet meeting at the White IIouo asking fur l oooo ooo orlh of bonds I opened cisurcl and when I looked at it 1 thought there wu a nmlak I liP paied it mu < t be I 4 eu > u > > I leleiirapli 1 tvl 1 at once to the man t In repeat his teU Itralll It 1 carne Iwck within an Iour mil there was no Mistake about it lair the words were written out The I in m silted IOIMMUO and lie wanted to know wi I tare ho could h lIe them I II replied that he could Thl I Icltgram came Irmnlhe National stank of toil < < nirr ol New York San alter an Jther I New Ym i b ink telecrq + hed fur ytouu ono and Ilowing I this we got two tele ranKiacii askhig tar I < 1oijoo and i iiiolher AM ing for f jooooooo We h id tu rolusa v > xiuuu worth of bonds that day beeau I luv leiiucsls came too late Ii I was hard two woks after thu that I conelu < led to taint i Ihe price ol the IMllldMlldt to put them at a rlllllulII of one hilf 01 l i per cut above par I wanted tu t rrdceni I the ten forty bond that were thru outstanding anal I red r-ed to ic I i ISO 000000 ul 4 per cent bonds I at Ih s pirmium + Most I of the Iminclen ol the tinted States though thin was too low I asked n number ol them what they thought ol 1 the plan and they all told rue I would never sell 4 percent I per-cent bonds at nieimum I I tIC day the loan was Inei I had another surprise The buudi were offered at noon on ApnfiO I79 and belore the close ol blinking hours I leteivedj sutucrlplioi for 1000000 worth Ihe 1 next alter noon the telegrams began to come tine was for fiquuua and I just belott the close ol business that day the First I National II ink of New Yrk telegraphed lint they would lake the entire iy > I oooouo so 4 JOLOOUU of refunding cer lilicatcs in addition j Uc refused 1 lu l give i hem the relundmg certificates and they gut think I fin ouoooo worth ol the bonds the remainder of the loan hiving been liken before their telegrim cimif There were f Splat ass aIa more I subscriptions to S-plat J loan that I diy ullI1 1 we could suppl l and we closed out the hole ol the bonds and were able tore I call in the curl to-re outstanding tenlurty loan The mntof the subscription and 1 the rapidity wih i 1 1 which 1 I they catna Itt Hut i day staggered me and II I umm 1 her I telegraphed the New Wk bank era that I would like to I know If they were not all crazy 1 < 0111 < Illl l lls WAS TOO Plot Iou You ale asuing about the Rollm jhllds Senator Shetin m went on A curious Ineidcut happened In connection I wall the head of Ihe London house In record to one e1 Ulnae Inw bond l Issues He had had I the refual of iootuouo world ulllel i per t + cent bolldl ill case they were not subscribed bur In America He was written to and waked II lie would lake them He l replied that he thought he would lake a million dollars but mat he would like 1 week to decide ai to I hither lie would do so or not In l the rnesnlinte the great rui lor the I bonds aired and Itmhschtldo then wanted his fuuxiueu i uiiilli At this lime however the bunds ha1 I reef all sold AIII I 110111 I him Hi it Ito I could I nut he tlirni He Hindi such w luis about It Hut August lllmont and I < hens ol a Sw Vutk iMieiidjtu wlm were dealing with him toot iooooeu > woilli of the bonds Irutii their own purchases and sent them over to him He was lOll proud to accept the bonds in iliu way and he tent them hack At mast 1 this M the story that wis told me tried I 11 keep tin bond ai far as pus t nilile In the I litelStitet and to nor I our > own purchasers over those of urole wli n tels that difference In the In tcreitpiid I y the guvcimuent 1 through these rgluaJuag operation It was enoimous replied Senator Sherman You see the amount of ra the puohc debt which was refunded In the 1 HJVU way was nearly Jsjooooooo and the savngs In Interest amounted lu neatly < IJOOO < A > a > ear IRNAKIK BIIKKMANS MPUOIKH I am very fur lunate in my visit to Senator Sen-ator Sherman at the present time IConic I-Conic lu Minefield because I had under stool that he was writing hK memoiri i and 1 knew tint Ins collection of private pipers was giealcr thin that ol any other man In public late During mv + talk with him he told me lint he was working among his papers but lu bad not as > ct decided whether he would publish a book or not and that he could not allow me to slate that he proposed l doing so He began the work he said with Ihe idea nuking n collection ol ils 1 speeches but he tinils his materiil so v ist and ol I such n varied mid 1 Inter eotUlK uolure that he is I stili Jt tat ns to what he will do with It Ills I letters are numbered by the tens thoiisindi and they embrace the metes ol every nun who Ins been prominent In tho 1 United 1 states during the last loriy tears mid of i the giLitest thinkers of ail pans of r the IIS wotid lj John hliernnn has I L eennail ul every public movement in the United ilesundlhcre scarcely a million lire a leiillsl or a ilninan who his not consulted with him He has lillcen volumes rb autograph letters tach ol whieh 1 is as big a > a dictioniry which i he I has kept chile ly for the sake ol the names appended them and his pri vilecairopundeiicc embrace a Urge pirt 01 the unw lien hxtory of the p IM JamraeGb1Inh n Nal iau generation t Junes U Illalne w is n man rather e1 speeches limn + in I deeeli Jolii I Sherman has been a man of action and I still Ie has mule more spechcs than llUine Ills public 1 work begin when l prank 1Ierceiw 1 kI fr rJn 1 rink Tierce was Iresldent and t he Im 1 been li I the very thick of allalrs from that time to this He has always had a I I irge correspondence I doubt whether i I he has ever rcc Ind a tenet which he Naas huh alatereJ and ha bas been sa noted fur his reserve that public men have opened thru minds and hearts to him without restraint In addition to Ins VIM correspondence he has saved historical rag ellal ot all kinds He bat the in ilic speeches ol the men of thus past l filly years gathered Iron pamphlets r and l newspapers and bound Into volumes vol-umes no that they make a library of themselves He has doieiii of volumes of newspaper scraps about hlmselfsoma I lauding him to the skies and some dmning him to hides Ids I congress I ton1 I speeches till a score or more ol volumes sot I ail Id d 1 Im has perhaps I the btt i collection of historical matmal In tic United States VATOK BIIKKSUN AT HOME 1IrulI my slay with the Senator I spent sole time in lute llbrarynnd asked hllll 10lle questions as to late habits eif r war I have known him 1 for yean and tlr tlJ be a one of the moil methodical pub lie nen I have ever met He never watt time alI et I duilng lh < o hole of his Ills he his been uvlng the Intcllec tn ii pennies lie his tour great workshops work-shops two here and two at Washing ton At the sup of this Mansfield house there is a room pellnps thirty feet long which Is lined with shelves and which is filled with congressional documents and scrap books Here he goes when i Im wishes lo getaway from every one else and here lie has rouen many a speech lie I liasi similar workshop In his new Yours I In Washington and I his library there Is uf the lalll character ns the one her I Down slurs m his Washington hIMC ho Ins n fine library filled with well bound books and containing all the classics lie I hasi I similar I II library on the groun I d I ar uf his home here at Manslield and u is i In this that he ii now working among his papers This Mauslietd library contains perhaps ten thousand volumes I Its walls are con ll IIJI ercd with I books and there is no great I I author who Ins not a place upon Its shelves I One I section ll devoted It to i biography I another tu science and another an-other to licllon There l arc books in French and hooks in German and the works ul I Huxley and Dickens and Thackeray The benators desk Is I In the loiter ul the room It was covered i with pipers this morning when I called and un the Moor there were about fifty IeH IJ volumes of tungtession Records and a number of scrap books Just back eif lIe benators seat I saw a great open vault whkh had been cut into the wall and which wis so large that Jumbo would have turned about Inside of It fees Is lot the benitors papers It Is I lire pruuf as well as burglar prool A little white dog with black ears was I silting In an aimchalr on the other side ul t theSen itor and during our conversion conver-sion hu broke out again and l again Into a vociferous bark until the Senator at last picked him up and carried him out of the room The eon work Ing hours were over when It I railed by appointment lie I usually rises up eaily I and by eight oclock Is at work with hn II I stenographer I He fiuils a greit deal of I his present walk illS lu be done mil lilt own hand And he told me he found the writing cry easy but that the work of research and ol jelling ready I lo v rite WAS Very great I MERMANS Hour WITH COSKIINO AND ARTHUR I As 1 looked I1 Senator Sherman mv 11 mind run over Ids long public career I could lice him driving about Kicliland I county n young congressional Carroll dale making Speeches at the country I cross toads I could I iee him n few ycari later n member of the Kansas Ncbraski Inteitigailng committee sit Illelrgllllll COlllllilerl I I ling In Judgment ol Ilic Militia ol the I vtiit and nceitlriR warnings tiiidir pictures I pic-tures of Collins and 1 crotshone as In I collected the tiillmony which wdlo form material for some of the greatest I congressional struggle of cur history Ic uld see him the leader uf the lower house ol Congress the chairman ot the way and meant committee In Ilio later daiof lluchamn I could h him in the SenjlL fighting the battles of hU I country during the presidenci of Un coin Johnson and Grant and then In the treasury Department struggling with the giant of resumption and IIQA In the henata again AIr fi rtv years ol continuoui service and the thought came to me as to whether he hid not it time grown o tired of It all and longed eofrl the rent ol 1 private citUtn thin and I Sid Senator Sheimaii tell me have you at any time In Jour career tried lo get out ol public life and back tied 11 01 Iuble < i i I loprlvite lifer lw lo IrlvAI Senator Sherman I No replied cr I i dont knoreptliactIl 1 11 I hake crI I have always I rnloyed Doing In the thick ul thins 1 and having I a part In tlie carrying un of r government There was only once I that I came near going out ol public life I was when I was Secretary of the Treasury under President llayw There was trouble about the culon I home at New York It had been bidl managed lor ear and President Hales had I tocldedlo make a change Chtsler A Arthur had been colkclor of the port for six years and A I I Cornell I vas the naval officer ol the New York custom house A rommlttldi had been appointed lo csimlne into the manage lent of the cultural house and upon I I j the basis ol their reports 1retUient i I Hayes I decide I to make a change ges I did r make WI and I lent a letter to I Mr Arthur requeuing him to resign I I He declined lo do so and Hoc 11 Conklmi gave him and Cornell tu j understand II they held on to their positions he Conkllng had such an In I llucncrln the Senator at Washington luellc I that President Hates appointed could I I not be rllfllCt Tho resident appointed ap-pointed Koosevelt and Pilnce ta take their places lull through the Influence I ul Curtailing these names were rejected I I bythe Senate Ale the adjournment ol that union howcter President I Hates l siispcndcil 1 Ailhur IIJ I Cornell SIMI appointed Merrill a collector and Burt as naval olhcer When the Senate I I again met and these lames came upI up-I lor confirmation Senator Conkling wa I igaln on hand and It looked for a lime j u though they would be ejected I mide a personal matter ot It I I went lo the Senator many ol whom I had 1 been allocated with In the put and 1 ippraled lo them lo sustain the forest dent 1101 1 them Ih11 I would resign from my cabinet I position atilt go Into mitslcllfcll they allowed I Conkling to prevail In this matter I sa Id I would hate nothing lodu with a government that gave the President I the appointing undorhantled y power IIIol In this I underhanded way prevented him from using It At Hill time 1 firmly Intended to hive carried outlay out-lay resolutions and hid Coukhng I sue ceded ol would have become a private I UUeil He did not succeed hoer md that itruggle A to the New yok rustoni house was the beginning ol the rouble which Afterward culuilmtcd hough Gullciu In the assassination 3f 1 Garfield and which retired dating Senate dat-ing and Platt from the United titatcs to I 3e310C I CA + uzo |