| Show A CHAT WITH SENATOR CULLd = = LLOfJ I Ho Dlscussos the Question or tho Unomployotl and Says I Congrosa la Doing Moro Harm Than Good = = 7 A 11111 l Mtn Out of Itcrt flfMil a LOU of TTtrtt Mumtrtd fKlllm Dollar a Yuhfeaectiy I awl the AnartkiiltTht l beic of lljj and Hot Snattr Chlfm tot 1 llu tynvJltU lliiAimitlnt Unttln at aMa Ptlr a-Ma itoritt SI Him is Lmcytr smelt rrtMnllltm lit Kttttttd Oillom ul SAC II Alt Ihtat lUi rmtr Our Onmrfii and IM Ilit AUemfl 1 Hot lilt Grat nj DltttJ neXtlStmt r Tivm ntixeis ami the 110cm lOoses for C41OOO II t bceemondesel WIt Films I WAIIIINOTOV n 1 C Sept 131891 I hail I lung chat but night with Senator Shelby M Cullonl of Illlno athU homo on Mauacliuaelts l Avenue He lives InTO In-TO F I Ifevarda old hOI near Thom Circle bet ncroM the wuy from the hOI ol I Senator Morrlll nod Alliton and clAcrere l from the haut In whmhmh General 1 Bob Schenck dietl not long ago Hit haute I lh one Ihat lheermh occupied white he w a tecrctary of lAte I he I an dmh faihloneil ml hrlck of two ttorio ami a mtnurJ ulth I porch running along the front of I I U I bulll upon a terrace cost Oak a very comlorUble home Senator Cullonl It I very ilomettic loOmis bate He I tpemli motl of hli evening with hit family nm you are pretty ears of finding him it home He U I a unry approachable man There U no moblitahneia about him He I U as plain end alniple In hl < wya U I wai Ahrnham Lincoln and ho U noted fur luvlng what Lincoln woulil have called gooil ° horM IM He look very much like Lincoln tli < > iili IK do not welch lore than two tbirdi at much I M Lincoln IM bloc i is Imia frame I hull on I lIce colossal train of Ihnt of Ihe mullyol PretlUent Slur Cullom I I judge about lIne feel len Inchea In heIght He U thin angular ami wiry Ill 0 face Is I plain dark In complexion and covered 1h a horl liUck hearth ho tthlcli the gray U I tirylnntnf to allow He talk eailly and well Ha hat lcleo of hit I own and Is I Du nfralj to utter tham leI Itatclowtullie le-I people of the country at any mIl In the Senate and Ida Iw ton t-on public queallon ore always Interett InK My conversation u ith him covered 0 oide 1 range Itbecan wllh Iho seneholl of CongreM COMOKEOI UOINIl HARM I allied Whit I Congrett going lo do lo help time people Mdunl know replied Sriutor Cullom S far CongrcM loan I ton more ham than good TIle people so lImed w e could do tomctliini and tact we come here staid a unk repealed the silver cbuso and gone home I we might have helped the financial tiluation At It is I I ue are retarding builneM slId we are adding to tho fright of the people emigre Is of no good in I n pinch like ctllh this lr It c IO do I notlijnRquIcVly Hit hO pence II work In II COIl accumpllh OaoolhlOO an1 I i ml revue Iowa vihlcio extend ocr long cl perIod Hut It li ol no good toll emergency The people already ton till I and the pretcnl rev ival r of liuilneM thaw that they are growing tired of uniting and are beginning to Ir wlllnc anl help Ihemtehei TIIK ITlATION IN 1LLINOH I low li I IllinoUbeing allccted fay the timevf I Im Very seriously II Ha the replv We rlI rn I I arc having hard time My ttale U you know a great manufacturing Stale mod the northern part of It nnkei all kind io article that are JII the tariff Among our Industrial center are tuih plice a Chicago JulIet leone llgln SpringHeld I I nml others I In mutt t oo of Hide placet the faclorle I are I non n-on half thtlr uiual hones A Urge number num-ber of the cutnblUhmcnt have ihut don allojether and there are fly Ii OIl mooch men out of employment In Chicago and I venture lo ti > tint lIme number of limo I uncrnptoi I In the United abbe t i I more 0 ol than a million Vet there are more than a million worker In lithe country who are out of a job Senator Ciillum ell on toady Do you realize u hat that mcani Suppose Sup-pose tlieio men average a dollar a diy h lhrO a very low cttlmatc I Thl mean a loot of n million dollart a day than three hundred million or more Ihre huntre mlhon n > ear to the county I mean the Ions I of production as well o the Ions of the pending power and I It cannot but ailed every branch of butlneu and trade CHICAGO AND TIIK Idle How I Abut Chicago I atked hat not lice lair helped hI In 01 Hene yes There have been room avcdlyimvon thoiiiand to tuo hundred hun-dred and till tliuuiuind viiltort who have been spending on an average of at least three dollart a iLiy In Chicago Many ic semiotIc mdl many time Ibat Hilt money hat given lIce hunks a circulating medium Oiheru Ie I dont Ihlnk U lam cliiiniied matcrt I much hide I Fair I hiho ll croud ei n only a rJroln In the bucket if ChliaKe population here I ho I no lamb of people on the tlrcets when the 1nlr U I at ilh lulleit Chicago U a uondtrlul clIp You imt keep pace w Ill It Go avvnv tncmml It I n couple of uevk and Hben lout lome back you Imdlbat I hah aildidahumlrid thoutand to I population popu-lation h e SenatortaidIbiitUlWtrowtli obeiltbyoner I Will It lash Yen einpliatluillylrfplled Senator Cjlluui i imarfo ii lull ol Iron and muLlr I It will iw the great rily uf f the U lime It Slalej I will eventually I distance I k tance New ork It I ii i fall trowing lobe lo-be I oily of rIch men und I hat mure enterpnte Jild piuh than any other city r in thu countrj ANAKCIIV OhIO TIIK AKAKCIIHTH Yel Sinator nld I and i hat mure anirclmU lluw about the had mien u < dl I not HUM Increase yctlr IKIllft I iint HI replied Senator Cnllom cli limit do not Improve there will Ix nmili skirviliun I md distn VJuu I < hunk vInci In at the door reiou dcl I priMcm I til n lly uut ai ito t Jut tiovcrinir Ilgddt i Ihu r not fly anmchiiU In the concUr He may b right In float there are not fly who would throw Lomb but In lime of panic I and starvation all arvilon pun cannot tell how turn mul Ihoulnd cal b oiganlnd Into What uill b the effect of Ihe lime on political I I turtle lme If the hard time continue Hie Republican Re-publican 1 will carry lIme country by n large maorityand i Ir If McKlnley should curry Ohio by an overwhelming vote the logic of lIme situation would point to him as our next presidential candidate II however time ihould case up under n revlaed tarllf McKlnley could not be nominated as he could Ira the head of a high protective Lirlfl platform If Con I I gret should repeal the In on state bank and legislate the national bank out of existeiico Ha might have flush Ilh time for a poor or to and then the trouble would he worse Oh oven In such a case Ibo revised tarlll might be carried on wild apparent prospeiuy It rOrny he i hard to tell what Hill happen I 1 afraid of Congrea II It I iloet nothing time H I certainty continue hard 111 mlco 1 what some of Its memhers with to do Hie uliuitluii may iron better fur a time only tn Iwive 1 in 10 I n wone slate than ever HOW KNATOR CULLOM AVID A SANK I here asked Henatnr Cullom si In Ihe JAI of iSi and l 1 lite experience In It He replied o I dont think the panic of ihJ or Olson uf moos I lob I compared com-pared to this I see In business at the tune of the panic In i 1873 I lft Congress gress I In 1871 ami woe president ol a S I ld bank In Springfield We had six or seven bank In the plare and the sinus tlon hum a time Hai crItical The New I York anl load closed their l door Hie banks nf SI IOIM and Chicago bad suspended payment and Hie bank presidents uf SpringHld il bate < I hoc a week whether they should not follow lull We had meeting every day and every evening of this week up to Irlday I I night The iient day neu Saturday and we knew Hut the farmers would come In from Ihe cointry and Ihal mal of them would demand their money At the beginning ot the meeting the oldest u1el mtol bank president In Hie city had m ida a motion that vie all suspend on Hie morrow mor-row This hung fire until tale and at list hIde chairman 11 Inl suppose I Is I the souse of Ill meeting that all the hanks will he dOt tomorrow morning All I mimI time 1 had said nothing I was thinking of the effect of lImo action upon II my political career rather than UIXMI m > tcf at a hanker 1 was very am billows and I did not want to appear be fore the people In I the future as the L president of I bunted bank I got un and laid Gentlemen I am I KaliI the yomigeit bank president here My ol J bank has no more capital thin the I others I nrobablv know Oco l O hnm banking than tny of iou but Isoy I here ami now that ratlur than clone mv bank while I have a capper cent to ply out I would put my build and arm In a red hoi t1 atone f hi peech changed the aente of lIce meeting I rmtornd con fidence 1 the others We decided not lu close and we paseed through the next day without trouble We have not had n failure slot Hint time and my titeecli aaved ut What lIme country nell to day It I more hackbone and once A Urge I port Iwo the lactIc I U due lo Irlght ami what ue need It confidence In I our elvet rKHSIDENT LINCOLN AI A FINANICRH You knew Ireildenl Lincoln quite well Senator uhat kind of a financier washef I fnaler Theoretically and on politicalecono 1 mical croumli he vvas great Iractlcally I ha knew little about money und took no care of I He kept no faoaki 10 pak of and I have been In bit law olhce when he had returned from riding In circuit He parctlced at the court of all Ibe countlea about bprmxlleld I After I trjlng a case he would I take apiece a-piece ol paper nnd wrap up Hie fee that lie received from client and write on the luck of the paper lIce name of the ISa Cute He I would put Die money thu I rapneda av In I Ida mnockcl Tha 0000 fee Houldbe rapped up In like manner I man-ner and stored away In another pocket and I when I II he came home he t would Ooioe out lIme fee r from the din > rent pocket one at a time and divide ihem with lilt I > artner LINCOLN AI A LAYUKR Wat Abraham Lincoln a great lawyer ds o replied Senator Cullom id1 1 think there it no doubt ol that My lather knew him very well and when risked to advise at la a lawyer for any lemon he would I soy Get J Judge Logan If > ou can hut If you cant there is I < ounit nun In lIla offlco hy lIce tame of Lincoln who dill do Joel at 10 will Lincoln wo very ttrong wills tOI both court and I jury Ho I had a great deal of personal magnetism I and hi lonent common plain way captured he Jurors He would lean over Ihem gesturing with hit lung nrmt und I u oiild lold them by his homely eloquence Trctldcm Lincoln Senator Cullom went on HIM time create man this I country boo ever produced rllr uatn great writer mil bis paper are lull of Horary merit i He h gnupul tlilniri Intiil II a ively He knew how to lundlu nun and be wan able to make Congnu do u Ic le judged hett I remember lieniii one lay at the White louse I u hen the new of O en Loveioyu death m New York ua received Irmident Lincoln wis very much afTectcd liy it lie walked up and down the room ali during the tub about Hie death nail lulu > wno a gnash radical in Cungreu but I could tend for him md tell him In wan going iou far and ne would I go back to honouwmddoR I auohci Did Irutident Lincoln decide l thine juickl l > 1 latlisl I No lie n dl yir mmtHil I itcnndn 1 i I lrt vii 1 I il I i I 1 u I t and llienncle I Ito hu gel I tor Ini II I and followed oul hu judgments Us won n great all around man and had IK lived r he would have maintained hil i greAlneM i IIAtt LINCOLN LUKD Suppote PresIdent Lincoln had nol I ce di 1 been hpt would the hitlory of fc Ihli country have 0toi l ChIoO eli I think not replied Senator CuUon Ireildenl Lincoln could nol have been more lenient the toulltlhan we were and he would not have been more ever I think he would perhaps havo irought about peace and cowl feelIng between the lection more Ielnl It would have hoc I the1 name oe 111 In now I dont use how he cOld have followed out a different policy ° Would he have been an equally greet mm In I hlttnry had he lived I Ihlnk 1 Abraham Lincoln vva ton great a man to have been dwarfed hy the litter part m his life Me I was u giant and es such h i would hoe left lids mark on lIme day liter ha did on the day during the wir Were you here at the time of hIs itMjslnatlon No but I came o as one of a committee com-mittee from Sprlnineld to bring the liody back there foe huWILrl At Ihe time of tIll death there wa talk about bur YI Mm In Ing Chicago or In Washing Ion This Melted tine Springfield people who wanted him burled at Sprmgfied SIrmgfed and I was one of the committee ent on I met the funeral tram at llanlsburz ant went H Ith It to IMilUdilphia New York IlnrTnlo Cleveland and on do Indianapolit and Chicago lo Springfield He woe you know put In a vault there and him n greet monument erected over now mcoiNt n Avr WA ROBDBD Were yon In I Springfield nt the tlmn Hull the robbery ol hi crave w Im1 templed Yen replied Senator Cullom 1 wai In IS7O < the night ol the election I remember li very uell for I was elected 1r hi rs m III Govenorul Illinois at thu time A act of whelpt had conspired together to steal the body of llnciiln and hold it hoc meson Tnelr plan ant ee carefully laid comb they would have Miiceeded had the not been betrayed 1 by one of their own number The monument wa built over n great pedestal In which were two rooms One of these wan 1 tort of memorial rom It contained relic ol President Lincoln and other things memorial ol him The other room held the body ol tncoln 1 I w 11 laid away m 0 line casket Inside of a marble aarcophagu securely iealed At looiins the conspiracy Wes known preparation Here made to prevent Its bring carried out That night a party of ihi gnltmeeoee f Springheld i hid them nIce In the memorial room and Hailed ev rll for the attempted raid They wollt unit In vain At midnight the ghoul came and broke their way Into the vault They broke open the marble casket atone at-one end and 1 had hauled the tine casket one third of the way out when the part in the memorial room slatted to catch tatelio them They succeeded however In escaping though two of them were after Jw J caught and sentenced to prison 1 5 How I are the remains kept today ore they guarded No there Ii no guard over them replied Senator Cullom Hut they are so hurled that they will never be disturbed dis-turbed After lie attempt of stealing lliehody a tomb was excavated In the solid masonry directly under the obhsk rsln1 II In this Hie body uai placed and the whole vvas embedded 1 hydraulic cement ce-ment Lincoln remains are now so placed that they will never be touched t A KKE AT TOIL UIIIIK 1101 IK 010 you remember your lost meeting mlnr willi resident Lincoln Washington Wahlnllol I Senator said i I Yet replied Senator Cullom and I remember too a very embarrassing meeting that Iliad there I a just alter I wes elected 10 Congresl but bc fore I hid taken my teat I knew tin coin private secretaries very well lioth I J Hay and Nlcolay came Irani t and I1 I Hat accustomed hogs I lu Hie White House lo < them without ceremony Al this time I came up to the door and pasted right through b to < Mr Kicolay room I opened I without upene out knocking and went In only 10 hind myself I In the presence of Irendcnt tin t L com and a member of his cabinet Seward Stanton and Chase wire present pre-sent and as I saw them I colored to tho tool of my hair begged pardon o the Intrusion and started lo go oul President Presi-dent Lincoln rose Irom the head of tho able and called me by name 10 1 came over lu me got nll hold I of my hand and pulled me Into the croup t cabinet ministers As he did no he old to Sec retary Seuard Sad I want ou to know this boy You remember the old Congressman from Springfield all 10sl 2 named Stewart I want to Introduce leo to lice boy that beat him This 11 lie home He I Iheretmun nrediented ma to Iiuediffoneot ocloihmnonoocli no rn ter lyn embarrassment I elcook bucod ull r them ont backed my way out jusl ai loon at I could This Has back m liSt and II vvas Iho HIM jcar hoot I took my seat in Congress for Itt fint time Io you Ihlnk Senitor that I the Congress Con-gress of to day contains as many great men us did those following the world I think not ° replied Senator Cullonl We had gUnU In the House and Senate lien We have some good men now but they are not A many preeminently great CARTUR AITKR CULLOU The conversation here turned to the icxt Senator from Illinois and I asked Senator Cullom as to the Democratic candidate Hu replied tint there wai a number and that the Senatorial 1 hee maui LujuhiK around II the I heads of Alt reldt Carter Harrison I sod others mid he I saw Carter Harrison I at Chicago not long ago and wo had 1 vord together ai we tact He I said A Cullom I am ufier you II 1 am after yuul 1 replied 0 yodo are not the 1011 one who lois I Iwen after me Tliero h live henn 0 number who have tramped pan lot heeU In the past and who have llh caught me and It may bo the linn 1r I III with lou You cant tell much at nit he Senatorial tituilion ut tub lime it u too lar In the future FRANK G CAKIVNTCR |
