Show r t HOLMES PLAN WINS SUPPORTERS Chamber and Labor Join In Demands for Private Retail Selling of Liquor t Hearing Held Before Joint Session of Legisla Legislature tur The issue sue of legal liquor in ln Utah the state that ended national prohibition lion tion ion was wa-s thrown open to public deate debate debate de de- de bate ate on the floor of the state house of ot representatives Wednesday forenoon it at t a joint session of the legislature and nd resulted in f four ur outstanding developments developments de de- 1 Throwing of or chamber of commerce commerce com com- merce support to the Holmes common common cornmon com corn mon sense plan of liquor control contro legalizing private sales al s and distribution distribution distri distri- to retailers from state ware ware- houses houes 2 Throwing of organized labar's labors labor's labors labor's la la- bors bor's support to the same plan with a threat there Is an election in 1936 if it the cry of labor ix iz not heard 3 3 Charges by two Ogden residents residents residents resi resi- dents speaking in favor of state control that their own city is per J To Speed Bills Indicating the group fn intends tends to sp speed d up work In getting liquor bills onto the floor Senator Senator Senator-Fowles Fowles Wednesday called a meeting of the senate trades regulations liquor committee for lor Friday at t 8 g a. a m m. in inthe inthe the senate lounge V f 1 haps the most notorious in the intermountain in in- l I Iby area and is infested by a collection of foul nasty sa saloons si- si loons loon as a result of an illegal licensing system 4 An attack on the committee of ot 49 bill proposing state stat stores as Virtually prohibition n. n Lane Appears Darrell T T. Lane attorney of S Salt Lake City former state representative tive and chairman of the chamber of ot commerce commerce legislative committee de de- Picture on Pate Pale 10 dared Glared the cham chamber r favors the plan I advanced by Representative Will R. R Holmes D. D Box Elder His a. a assertions came upon the heels of an announcement by Representative Representative William Murdoch D. D Salt Salthouse Lake house sponsor of a private li licensing li- li censing bill indorsed by the chamber that house proponents of the measure had agreed to accept amendments proposed by Representative Holmes The Box Elder lawmaker already I has explained his system on the house floor It would provide no local lo ic- 10 cal option private sales by bottles and drinks and state warehouses warehouses' to receive consignments which would be disbursed to dealers upon payment of stamp taxes We favor this warehouse plan and other feat features res Mr Lane said Foresees Consolidation The chamber of commerce wrote in other restrictions in the private licensing bill to show our pur good faith I foresee a consolidation of the tw two plans Reviewing teeth in the Murdoch bill Mr Lane said they were d designed de dc signed to bar bars and bar ba bar flies files His remark drew applause Mr Lane expressed resentment over the suggestion that the chamber chamber cham chain ber of ot commerce motives had been impugned and said he had heard beard Continued on en Pate Pae Two HOLMES LIQUOR OR PLAN FAVORED Continued from pue Pase e One a supreme court justice cast unjust innuendoes on the motives The attorney answered directly an argument advanced by Hugh BBrown B D. Brown committee of 40 49 member who spoke in favor of ot state control The latter had praised the Alberta tern of stor stores after which the committee committee com bill is closely patterned Alive With Bootleggers Bootlegger I was astonished to find Windsor I Ont alive with bootleggers Mr Lane said Saloons I What crimes are at at- i to to them The word is mis mis' misused used wed A A. state store is actually a saloon Referring to the profit motive at attacked t. t hicl tacked ed generally by opposing speakers speak ers Mr Lane said every member of ot the the state control commission proposed pro posed in the committee of 49 bill and every salaried would have havea a profit motive I l hope the legislature limits motive e to a year he saId Mid Clerks Clerk of or stores state stale store advocates cates say will Ill not be interested ted in pushing sales They wont won't be interested inter inter- ested in bootleggers either cither ho said His remarks were taken to infer inter that private distributors would be interested inter ested in minimizing bootlegging Sees Discrimination Mr Lane opposed prohibition of ot liquor advertising as discriminatory discriminator Magazines entering the state carry liquor advertisements ad he said Dont forget there is no class dis distinction Unction in newspapers Mr Lane read a statement he said was prepared by a business man which he said showed prohibitive cost of ot operating state stores He estimated it II would cost the state tate to enter into the plan I and that yearly yearl costs would amount to o He concluded by reading an edi edi- tonal from The Telegram ram which ex ex- pressed hope the legislature would adopt a practical plan which would overcome difficulties experienced under under un un- un der prohibition It M. M I. I Thompson president of ot the Utah State Federation of Labor was the last speaker for private licensing adherents of or which followed speakers for tate state control He expressed resentment that labor had lad no representation on the committee commit tee of 49 and said aid organized labor did not want the committee bill Dont Forget Forlet Election You will hear from 42 per cent of ot the he people of Utah whom I represent sent before this bill becomes law h he said If lf you wont won't listen luten the supreme court will If It the cry of ol labor abor is b not heard dont don't forget there j is an election in 1936 1938 Mr Thompson Thomps n said labor supported he the Holmes common sense plan which Is to be written into the Mur Mar MurI I I I doch bill We are in favor of ol s state te ware ware- e houses louses and want private licensing he ic said Mid He predicted a great ma ma- Of people will be found to oppOse op op- pOse the committee of 49 bill bUl I Roy Ry Thatcher O Ogden attorney a member of ot the committee of at 49 sub subcommittee committee committe that drafted the state store bill jill opened the attack on conditions conditio in Ogden He said Ogden has not a legal but butan buten an en illegal licensing system that makes it il perhaps the most notorious eit city in the intermountain area Mayor Satisfied At a public hearing of the committee com committee of 49 the mayor of or Ogden said he tic was wao satisfied with the system and told of revenue from the underworld under under- world Mr Thatcher was the second speak speaker 1 er on the list of at those arguing for tor slate state control I John E. E Davis likewise Ee an In Ogden attorney took look up the attack on his city In speaking a against state licens In ing and indirectly for tor state control O Ogden den has Installed a private licensing li 11 11 censing tensing system he said Past and present administrations collected I tines lines Ogden is 13 Infested with a collection col cot lection of foul toul nasty saloons worse than han tenderloin in the any old days day He charged the system was due to open conditions and said gaid every saloon has a gambling house which Is linked with vice I Virtually Prohibition Knox Patterson of Salt Sail Lake City an assistant to lh the United States attorney at al- torney general and former state senator senator senator sena sena- tor attacked the committee of 49 bills as virtually prohibition When a state Mr Patterson was the recognized wc wet leader during prohibition days in Utah One hundred and one thousand I voted for repeal and said Utah couldn't control liquor he declAred declared de de- dared when he arose aros as one of ot the thc private licensing advocates There is Ls nothing to require the state commission proposed in the committee committee com corn bill to set up a single store grant a single license or permit he said It might refuse to do so Under tinder it the only legal drinking could be done In homos homes before chil dren or in hotels and restaurants Ita If It Ifa a person gave a drink to not nol holding a permit the law would be broken Marcus Speaks Mayor Louis Louts Marcus spoke official my Iy y for Salt Lake City and the Slate State Municipal league and opposed the state going into He declared he aid id not believe a I control comm saying the he state stale tax commission could administer ad administer minister liquor laws Under the tore store system store system a R new nes burden JUrden of or enforcement would fall tall on or I municipalities which would not get gel et I any new revenue he said The mayor said ald he did not want L return of the saloon but pointed out 1 In n days Salt Lake Cit City re received annually from liquor lice license ru es That wo would ld mean a mill 2 tion teon In hi the property tax levy he be declared Speaks Speak for League M Mayor 3 J. J Wesley Vesley Horsley y of Brigham Brigham Brig Brig- ham lam city spoke on behalf of ot the Utah Ulah Municipal league Until a a. state stale police force torce Is b organized organized or or- I enforcement of the tate state liquor store plan would be provided by local law enforcement agencies They could not enforce the law with pres present nt police departments and andYe the Ye bill would not give Ive them any ad ad- revenue with which to en en- force torce the law Carbon count count wants wanta a free tree flow tK fi of or liquor and the state should respect respect re reo the wishes of ot the t. t people eople ii in that county James H H. o oPrice of 01 Price an attorney declared Carbon county Is in favor of ot th the a afree free Iree flow v of ot liquor he said The Th county always has haa been wet and it always will be The state should re reo respect Carbon county's position and feeling In the matter Drug stores are arc the lo logical ical outlet for lor or liquor or In Utah according to George Flashman of ot Salt Lake City who spoke as a a. representative atthe of ol the states state's retail druggists Logical Agencies Drug stores are the logical agencies agencies agen agen- cies des to handle liquor he declared I If the federal government can entrust to drug stores control of ol narcotics the state could certainly afford atford to entrust them with the handling han ban dUns dung of oC liquor Liquor must be convenient and easily obtainable in all parts of the state at all times or the bootlegger will flourish To provide such means or places of ot distribution would cost the state a tremendous sumIn sumIn sum In drug stores however the state has hundreds of ot outlets for tor liquor without the expenditure of ot a cent of ot state money State store advocates who led off oU when the session Ion convened at 10 a. a m. m were first represented by E. E 1 M. M I. I Basley Bagley chairman of the commit commit- tee ee of ot 49 A Attacks Hackl Profit He urged that no private profit be left eft in liquor distribution and said anet a anet anet net profit prom to the state should be 1 1 lr in two years The revenue e to states adopting state stale control is amazing he de de- de Explaining action of ot the committee commit commit- tee ec he said it was impelled to draft dratt the he state store plan after alter President Roosevelt's repeal message in which he hI asked that no state authorize the return of at the saloon in its old or modified form torm I If the state store plan falls it will wUl willbe willbe be possible to change chance it with no gr great cost he said On the other hand It If f a licensing plan fails a large private vate vale loss would result from a change Mr Thatcher who followed Mr B Bagle agley said the provision for sales o of It f drinks drink by hotels clubs and restaurants res t was included by the committee com corn n because a majority felt there I s a big transient population with no na h romes omes in Which to drink Would Go to Bootlegger There are a also abo o permanent dwellers dwellers dwell dwell- e ers n who eat t In public places and they would go to bootleggers to get their drinks rinks d If it sales were not allowed he s said aid Mr Thatcher met arguments I that t the he s state te would go Into business b by declaring it would be nothing new and a nd that the state has done it before belore I in n various various' forms torms Dr George Thomas president of t the he University of U Utah h a committee member said he had studied liquor le l legalization thoroughly and that the basic trouble is the profit motive There are two m means aM of approach approach ap he said Aid making makin liquor as free tree as dry good goods or prohibiting it n. Any midway course i is a compromise In arriving at a compromise e the l legislature should consider the motel question Years of ot Observation Hugh B. B Brown local attorney and committee member r said he had had some years of experience in in ing irig the store plan In Alberta Can Can- ada Although h the system is not entirely en en- satisfactory opinion Is almost unanimous that it f Is better than any licensing system he argued He defended Issuance of Individual permits to purchase liquor as M provided pro pro- vided in the committee bill as a weapon against sales t to minors and IX persons unfit unlit to drink Licensing is the first move to return return re re- re- re turn of or the tho saloon he said He quoted d from the Rockefeller survey to the that under a licensing plan bootleggers would be the first to apply for and obtain licenses He cited the state store plan as minimizing political influence and as charting a clear road to tem temperance rance After Mr Brown had spoken Senator Senator Sena Sena- tor J. J Francis Franj Fowles D D. Weber who presided announced the tho time would be extended from two hours for or both sides to present arguments because several persons had come from tram out of or the city to appear Mr Davis followed Mr Brown Other State Slate Plans L. L E E. Elggren president nt of ot f th the Consumers Con Con- sumers sumers' Welfare league spoke for tor state stores and outlined the Montana and Oregon plans A survey vey I made in Montana showed that except for lor commercial clubs and saloon caloon men most people are arc satisfied ed with state stores H He suggested cent 50 fc fees for for lor in perm permits I lI Mrs Iva Willis Willi head of the p Pea Peo o- o pies ples Practical corporation w was WM the last 13 t speaker among amont the state store tore advocates advocat She asked that orchard products and pure materials be used in manufacture of ot liquor to be sold at a cheap price |