Show 1 TO TRAFFIC MANAGERS S SON UN ON THE WITNESS STAND Stubbs of the Harriman System and Ha naford of the Hill Roads Closely Questioned Both M n Stoutly Maintained That Consolidation Had olf Ef S feet Upon I Jan Two at torney 8 Use the gov government made determined Horts to today to Induce two traffic man rt igis or of transcontinental railroads to ad 81 admit mit thAt a or of ownership mans man the or Of Competition In rail rall rad truffle rhe were r unc and Kellogg and the traffic manu managers were ware J 1 o CT Stubbs of the South In Pacific systems and T 1 M 1 Ifan or of the Northern Pacific l 1 Both m n contended that do spIte the cO consolidation or of Interests that hn token 1 b between two n the Union Pa und th the Southern pu iric and b be the tho Northern Pacific and Great Northern competition between the lines ar under tit th joint ownership is IsM 1 M ay DS as It ever WAS Covered All Al the Points Th or of Mr Ir Stubbs cov covered rt II pOints connect connected d with the history and or of the Southern Pa Pacific Central and tm n of the allied lines JInes which are now tile the control or of E H Mr h Stubbs asserted s rt l from first tu tO last the had hn flit an ac 0 i 1 1 ot of the Southern Pacific alifornia business for tor tile the reason that t had no outlet beyond Ogden over Its S wn rails mUs direct to California Such corn 1 he Mid ts as bad d existed between I the two roads In the past Is 1 stI still l In exist once ence Union Pacific Only a Link The Union Pacific ho he claimed is buth but b link in the transportation between the tho Missouri river and and ana not a separate and Independent ent line Uno In Iii his opinion it nor never had occupied the latter position so fur far as through traffic was concerned S When asked If he dId not believe that thata a railroad which has a large surplus and Js Is paying 10 per pel cent dividends I is not In a position to favor foo the public with lower rat rats s than t In effect at th the present time Mr 11 with considerable feel lag Ing said that If the Union Pacific was the theron ron road un under er consideration he would urge the members or of the interstate commerce lon and their attorneys s to I I her that while the Pacific ma may be bc prosperous now its stockholders had experienced many loan Ionn years and that there thre no guarantee that the present tory conditions In railroad traffic throughout th the country would indefinitely maIntained Could Not Stifle Competition Upon the sUbject of stifling competition Mr Stubbs declared that it was not pos for this to be done no r who owned the parallel lines Jines er Contin Continued on Page 3 I TWO TRAFFIC MANAGERS ON THE WITNESS STAND Continued d from 1 atlon aIon Subordinates with reputations to tomake make or to sustain w uld work for the theIn In of their against all other lines and must therefore in inevitably f follow He asserted that James JamesS JamesJ S J Hill while probably the leading rail rall railroad road oad manin the country could not abol abolIsh abolIsh Ish competitIon between the Northern Pa chic and the Great Northern beC use of the personal spirit of the men he em employs employs ploys Mr Hannaford expressed similar views I ws regarding the stifling of competition The only othe other witness of the day was M C Markham traffic manager of the MIssouri |