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Show Page 6 The UTAH INDEPENDENT April 7, 1972 Life Mainland Dint could get 9 feet of cloth for my travels every year and 2 pails of rice for food every day. How far you travel you have to apply for a travel permit. But it is even very hard to get a short distance travel permit. The Job situation is rather bad on the mainland. So this is not only my case but the rase of almost everyone. Thompson.- Are there any freedoms allowed to the people on mainland China? On the mainland the peoYu Kuo-hufreedom we dont have not do have ple freedom to travel we dont have the freedom not to travel; we dont 'have the freedom to speak we also do not have the freedom not to speak; we dont have the freedom to read we also do not have the freedom not to read. What I say means that if they ask you to do something to go somewhere, you have to; butif you want to go of your own accord you are not allowed to do so unless you obtaln'b permit. As I said before it is rather difficult to get a. permit. For speech it is the same thing. Nobody can whisper to one another nobody can talk in the sly among one another. If you .whisper you may be suspected of something harming to the Communists. So, people are not allowed to talk or whisper. However, if you dont talk if they ask you to talk and you do not talk you are also to be punished. When you are asked to say something you must say something. You are not allowed to read other kinds of books unless you are forced or compelled to read something for Mao. Maos quotations we must read Maos quotations in the morning as well as the evening. If you dont read aloud you are suspected of concealing hatred against Mao. On the mainland, in fact, we dont have any kinds of freedom. AN INTERVIEW WITH A RED CHINESE REFUGEE ' HON. JOHN H. ROUSSELOT 07 CALIFORNIA IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES Wednesday, March 8, 1972 Mr. ROUSSELOT. Mr. Speaker, despite the seeming wish of so many Americans from the highest echelons of our Government down to the man in the street, to deceive themselves about the reality of life in Communist China, there continues a steady stream of refugees from behind the Bamboo Curtain who relate firsthand knowledge of the almost total lack of real freedom present for the average Chinese. Hong Kong remains the chief destination of mainlanders seeking to escape the rigors of Mao paradise. Recently one of these mainwas Yu Kuo-hulanders, interviewed on Taiwan which he had finally reached, by Mike Thompson, at the time, director of regional and State activities for the Young Americans for Freedom. The interview appears in the March, 1972 issue of YAFs monthly publication, New Guard. It is my hope that my colleagues will profit by reading this evidence of the continuing subjugation of the Chinese people on the mainland of Asia by their Communist masters. The interview folTse-tun- gs so-call- lows: An Interview With a Red Chinese Refugee (By Mike Thompson) CHRISTMAS - n: - ed n, IN CHINA Last fall Mike Thompson, then TAFs Director of Regional and State Activities and currently Administrative Assistant to a member of the Federal Home Loan Bank Board, travelled to Southeast Asia to report on the South Vietnamese elections. On his way home, Thompson stopped In Nationalist a China, where he Interviewed Yu Kuo-hu- n, Conraaiman John H. Rous lot Chinese who fled the mainland in March 1971. Yu escaped Into Hong Kong, and had been in Nationalist China for only three days when Thompson Interviewed him. Thompson. I understand that you have Just come from the mainland that you have Just fled Communist China. Yes. Yu Kuo-huThompson. What made you leave mainland China? Yu Kuo-huThe main reason for me to can no longer endure the is I that escape Communist tyranny and I cant have a living on the mainland that is the mode of power that drove me to escape to freedom. Thompson. Could you give me an idea of what life is like today on mainland China? Yu Kuo-hu- n. Oh, yes. I would like to start with my own life. Since my parents left me at home, only my grandmother and I were left behind. My grandmother was a very old woman so we could find no way to make a living. We lived a very hard life. At that time we experienced the cultural revolution we really had nothlngalmost nothing to eat and little to clothe ourselves. My grandmother died of starvation. So I was alone. I traveled around looking for petty Jobs. I n. n. Itit A itkiririKictrtckit the best books," that "seek X X X X X When you Chinn . . . is QUALITY! Our goal is to supply a discriminating clientele with books of high quality! NO FREEDOM TO WORSHIP -- Thompson. Is there any freedom to worship on mainland China? Yu Kuo-hu- n. There is certainly no freedom of worship on the mainland. AH the monasteries, temples and churches were destroyed. It became more serious during the cultural revolution but even before that no religion was allowed to stay on the mainland. So all the Bibles and scripts of religion were burled. One of my uncles was a Catholic priest. Since the Communists know that he is a priest he was forced to go with them for a parade. He was asked to put on a foolish cap and wear the priest robe. Then he paraded around the city showing the people that this was the end of the priest. Besides this there are also other punishments; both physical and mental, Thompson. You lived on mainland China during the Red Guard movement. Could you give us an idea of what life was like at that time and what its been like since? The cultural .(revolution Yu Kuo-hustarted out of the power struggle, because the faction in power fought against the militants. This started a revolution. This means that when they started to fight each other as a result the Red Guard was started. The Red Guard was divided into several sections and they fought among themselves. They had formed groups' for this man or that-manfaction and. feuded with one another. As a result many people died of such fighting. But the situation became even worse when the Red Guard started to plunder the warehouses and tried to beat and run the officials like was n. s magistrates, governors 'and villages heads. They tried to beat them and take them Out of the popular lead as other individuals and their properties were snatched away. Everything was in great disorder. These peoples peasant property was takenaway. So the situation was in great chaos. Not until the Red Guard movement was reduced in intensification did the fighting among them reduce a lot; but, after the movement all those who had made trouble were given a similar punishment as the magistrates were before them. So when everything had piped down the magistrates sought their revenge . . . When they, found out who had.. done harm to them they took retaliatory action. These people were either put in Jail or punished by other means such as they were sent to the frontier for hard labor. As for the students who were very active in the movement after the movement the students were sent to labor farms for hard labor and they are not allowed to go to the schools so, they had to suspend their studies. They have to work as slave animals. This is the way the ' Communists handled the Red Guard movement and also the aftermath. RED GUARDS UNCONTROLLED Thompson. Who controlled the Red Guard movement? Were any of your friends in it? What was their attitude towards you? 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