Show WHERE avs AT harvey and horr dissect the farmer accordine Accord lne to horr hes been lettler lettl nr ever ainee silver was de chicado Chi caso july 23 go it husband RO it bear seemed alio motto in the illinois club today the audience at the horr controversy appeared to bo rapidly developing lie feeling 01 alio western matron whose enthusiasm thusia sm on an exciting occasion overcame her other emotions the husband and the crizzle referred to could hardly have attempted more thoroughly to rip each other up the back and else els e where than did horr and harvey this aiom noon horr began by saying hi grain silver dollars coined between the years 1853 and 1873 were all coined at alio llio philadelphia mint and from for iiii silver coins which had accumulated in alio treasury under the net 0 congress made them receivable but did not permit them to be paid out again that fiber was coined at lesa alian its bullion value after 1852 the government did not coin ft dollar of our silver coinage for private owners harvey in reply denied the statement and declared lie could prove it ho presented it mint statement showing that over silver bollara had been coined at the mint at carzon city kev in 1870 harvey then resumed discussion of alie question of primary and credit money he said as boon as was an over issue of credit money it caused distrust of alic government s ability to pay this caused a run on alie treasury for redemption of credit money and alie only remedy ana to either increase the amount of primary money or decrease alie amount of credit money the amount of auld in the united states from to this was too much credit money he said and accounted for the financial derangement tho remedy was to increase the primary money by silver every moment a delay endangered the safety of alie republic air horr replying called attention to a misstatement of the coinage at tho carson city mint instead of iho total amount was 1249 sir haracy said lie biad mistaken alio t mark for a figure and admitted hia error sir horr continued by saying that up to alio present mr harvcy had not said a single word in proof of fraud in connection with the act of 1873 biad argued at length that tho act of 1873 was conceived in sin and brought forth in corruption bat had not forth any proof and could not had not history showed eliat variation of 1 per cent between the commercial and legal ratio between gold and always drove the dearer metal from alie market now with a difference of 50 per cent what evidence was there that the consensus of the civilized nations england excepted could bring them to a parity much less how could alie united stata atone do it mr declared eliat clr IJar veya object was not so much to build up silver as to put down gold as was shown by hie provision for reducing the size of the gold dollar harvey referring back to the silver coinage between 1853 and 1873 said that tho dilver coined at philadelphia was coined nto money not dollars the premium on dilver wag a premium at that transportation would more than eat that up the bullion owners in his country would take it to the mints tor coinage taking into consideration bank credits and checks and the amount of money in circulation the normal amount of money lor the transaction of busin cea throughout the country continued sir harvey was four thousand eight hundred million dollare out of one yae a tle reet was borrowed the was plain the amount ol 01 money which we should have was four thousand eight hundred million dollars aa matters now baand he eadd the banks were loaning and getting interest on two dollar for every dollar in circulation or VALUES mr eaid eliat alio question whether the batik yere u to a country would bo proper place and mr harvey would bo probably diluted with himself when U wa done or bovine brought alio matter up returning hie discussion mr horr said that the that manufactured armicke ar haac in value bince 0 appy cent silver biad depreciated per cent bome oilier articles had depreciated ai much owing to special conditions taking up the statement in mr harvey apok eliat it had cost 2 per ounce to aa alio dilver in alio united stales mr characterized it as nonsense statistics of different minee collected by 11 L scud that one mine icid et 13 cente at 21 cent the silver fl bould not have continued to roine diver at a cost of 2 per ounce alien the product fl only CO cents in turn aid eliat what mr had eaid about the cost of producing silver lie could have eaid with much more force witti regard to gold silver was only produced from quartz most of the gold was from placer mines it cost lesa dollar for dollar to produce rold than he read from a book by alexander selman au opinion eliat pound for pound it coat more to produce silver alian gold or dollar tor dollar 1 to I 1 why did men continue to ielne silver t 1 why did men gamble on th board of aradi n hen a large majority boet loet it was the pim blinn instinct implanted in alio auman breast another thing mud ot the dilver was produced in with gold mining and n large llon offie dilver produced waa the re bult of pta to develop minas proved failures fai luree in losers of their output to out of the wreck chelp were lie declared only three or tour mines in operation in the country ana tiley a precarious cx Isten ui table to close any week mr harvey denounced scudder a alie tool 0 the banking interests te rests bent out to the silver country to defame hie nation mr horr declared eliat the statement kimt it more to produce a pound ot alyer t nea ft pound of gold ws not true and biad not truo for a great many thousand measured in human toll both eold and biad depreciated in value but silver je much more than gold he then presented in nib ot the depreciation of gold showing the bricca of agriculture and labor mr harvey took lip ho subject and proceeded to argue that advance in the sl i price of grain under a eold basis in alie yeara quoted had resulted eicher from short ceope or in the increased demand brought about by the finding of new atea tor it mr harvey 11 the banka should go oat of tho government business in blead of the government going out of tho banking applause let tho banks bo banks of deposit and discount and not maker 0 they aro making it now with bank credit and you are paying them interest for it the argument that confidence and not money ia all that is wanted if made by a greenbacker would be ridiculed by sanio men confidence wont buy anything it will get a man in debt to a binker that is all you might aa well talk about doing without air and water ea to talk about doing without money there is no condition of civilization eliat you can imagine by which you can be n part of that civili bation and yet do without money applause and by alie legislation of 1873 it line leen enhanced in about double with your property that ie tho crucial point in ihie financial die cushion cus gion applause A man loaning money in 1873 that 1000 bushels of u heat would leave paid you must now give him 2000 bushels of to pay that debt applause iho men aho own leonds payable in money and securities payable in money aggregating more than all the aise saed value of alie property in the united states have legislated so 13 to enhance the value of their property until you have colsto give up twice as mud to them when they come to buy your property a they gave up to you lien you will your hard earnings alie product of your loom and conr field went to buy their properly applause mr now I 1 want to call the attention ol 01 my friend to alio fact that he cannot get at how carmera re doing imply by selecting one article which to be cheap mr harvey I 1 want to ask you right bierc bd oro these people to answer my made just I 1 sit down mr I 1 am going to do it if you will wait and keep still that is wh tt I 1 am up here for now laughter the very last tiling he said was in reference to the fact eliat a farmer biad to give attico as much ft heat to pay his debt as lie did before the of silver what ails you that is tho very thing I 1 am speaking about now I 1 was elating you cant possibly find out the facts in reference to alie farmer by taking one article and that the lowest one you can find now I 1 ill call your attention to a confirmation of the figures which I 1 leave heretofore given here in lie united stales comparing the present values with those of twenty years ago I 1 find confirmation in your analysis of national wealth by alie great mr Mulli alleo oltan by mr harvey in alie june north american mr mulhall bays eliat the average yearly accumulation of the per capita of the united states wae for alie decade 1801 to 1870 1700 each for mr harvey will you pardon mo mr pont bother me for tho decade 1870 to 1830 per capita and for alie decade 1881 to 1800 per canita here is an ability on tin part 0 the tanner of llie country to pave in alie last census decade nearly three timed as great as in the decade before the silver legislation legi elation ol 01 1873 mr harvey did not you leave that written before you left new york applause he saye eliat we have increased in wealth nobody disputes that abo united states has not only acen a workshop in producing wealth lint it line been a it lias been producing wealth but leave llie men who produced that wealth got alie wealth the men are controlling alie legislation of america and alio old world and there ia no plan by can rise from under it and when wo have passed four or ciglio years further along will be no way for us to raso rom it we MO M O making in the united today llie last of tre men in alie civilized world applause the answering of question occupied most of the remainder of alie day tho rebate finally being at mr elorre request till saturday at 1 p ra |