Show THE GOSPEL two nights discussion Discus between elder hen ben eo E well R cli and ard hartley in ogden tabernacle TAberna cleo on the principles of the tile gospel as laid down in the bible Monnon ism on one side and baptist doctrine on oil the oilier other FIRST NIGHT long before the hour announced on thursday evening the avenues to tho the tabernacle were bes besieged iced b by numerous crowds eager to secure admittance to the buildings 0 which tho the long announce announced discussion bc lic tace elder ben E rich of the church of jesus christ of la latter ater day saints and rev richard hartley of tho the baptist church was to take place As soon as the doors opened owing to tho the clamorous appeals of IMPATIENT tho the vast hall ball was at once filled by the immense audience occupying every available scat seat in tho the place and all the standing room being exhausted the vast assemblage was called to order by reverend richard hartley after which the choir composed of members of the four evangelical churches orthis of this cit city y rendered in excellent style the tile hymn peace be still then no of the gospel son songs portion of the audience joining 9 rev I 1 thayer then read a it scripture thon Ts jcak in tongues of men etc cibor 1 I cor XIII after which rev adkinson illson offered ered up prayer the choir sang another hymn after which ELDER BEN E r first addressed the congregation he ile commenced by reading from matth vi 33 after he be had assured his hearers of his sole desire t to 0 speak the truth being assisted by tho the prayers and good goo wishes of those present he ile desired his hearers to follow him hill in r seeking after the kingdom of god what is the kingdom of god there must first be a king then there must be duly commissioned officers further on laws tho the kingdom of god means gods goas organized kinga kingdom om on cartal caran as explained io in the lords prayer tho the first intimation of the I 1 kingdom was the angol angel appearing to zechariah then the tile angels to mary mari and joseph after t this his little is said of the kingdom ICing doin of go god d until john the baptist came on oil the stage of action preaching repentance pen penta tance uce jesus came and demanded I 1 baptism at his handland hand band sand de spite johns reluctance insisted on it for thus it il Ve cometh us to fulfill all righteousness jesus had a special in mission assion on tho the earth to teach all righteousness and his compliance with johns mode of baptism proves to us its corree thee as does the indorsement endorsement indor from tho the heavens leavens after his immersion the speaker then adverted to the resurrection of the savior by which the despondency ortho of tho A apostles poetics was vas removed and their faith was strengthened again by his various apparitions to mary and others who thereupon realized that the tile kingdom of god was still with them jesus sent out his ilis apostles with certain instructions and promising certain signs to follow the mccomi plis limen ment t ot of their commission by these s signs igns we can tell tho the differ ence between the kingdom of god aud and the kingdom of man tero aro are in the gospel various vari ous principles prine aes faith being the first baptism baptis sue ce eding and so anth on tho sig signs ns following the there is the kingdom with tho the king his commissioned officers and his laws when jesus gave gaie his commission to the apostles ho told them first to tarry at jerusalem to receive the comforter who would lead the disciples into all truth and show to them things of tho the past and of tho the future when tho the disciples had bad assembled together as directed the holy ghost was poured oure out over them so that they were a able le to pre preach tell the principles of the tile MCI to the tile gathered multitude multitudes of various nations t to 0 each in their own tongue and then peter showed from the th e prophet joel that jesua jesus was the christ the savior of the world according to tho tile very record the crowds there gathered believed in when they lie heard ard peters speech many of them were aver e pricked in their hearts and wanted to know what to do in order to be saved fc w fatta i at this point the speaker strongly appealed to all those c claiming timing to believe in the bible and who arc are anxious to secure salvation which he showed to consist in repentance and baptism after which they should receive the gift of the holy ghost now we hayo have found cot rot only the kinga kings his commissioned officers and his subjects hut but also the tile laws the tile first principles being faith repentance baptism and lay ingon of hands for the reception of tho the gift of the holy ghost the speaker cr beautifully elucidated the ai principle ale as ns evidenced in all nature from the toddling infant to the planting man faith comes by hearing and by hearing from the word of god then comes conics repentance of sin the purification of the soul from all impurities without which no admittance mit tance can bo be gained on tho the stairway to eternal salvation after thid this naturally and logically fol lows the remission forgiveness of sins which it is desired by the person repenting and a consummation achieved through the ordination of baptism which is the means of saving us in the gospel if wo we arc are to be saved only through the tile gospel and baptism is a port portion inn of the gospel gospe 1 then baptism is necessarily a saving ordinance but baptism must be attended to by one called of god as aaron was in order to bo be valid tho the speaker referred to the qualifications of persons claiming to bo be authorized to administer tho the ordic ordinance ance showing that such must bo be called by revelation according to the law and the testimony A man must be born of the water being buried in the liquid grave to walk in newness of lif erom cRom vi when wo we havo have arrived at tills this step of the grand stairway to the celes bial kingdom we come to another grand principle as found in I 1 cur xii the gifts following from the spirit will bestow upon us various powers in the same chapter we find the officers which god lias has set in his church to administer to tho the various duties for the purpose of perfecting the saints each E ach of these officers is in his bis sphere as necessary as any other in his and these same officers are as indis indispensable ipen today to day dav as us they were 1800 years ago which the tile speaker proved fro from inthe ahe fourth cli apter of E ephe phe dans these officers were placed in the church by christ to remain until we all como come to a unity of tho the the faith before closing elder rich dwelled upon tho the principle of authority tho rity as illustrated even by tho the arrangements of earthly governments emphasizing ho the necessity of due and legitimate authority of tho tile persons claiming tor act ae cionea officers ot 0 t the kingdom Xing doni of god G od these aro are tho the signi which christ lias has promised to his follow arsand these very sn samo me signs are to follow tho the true believers believer s in the tile present day as anciently there are many mansions mansions in in tho tile kingdom of god and various degrees of exal tation but only those will mill attain tho the highest who have embraced and obeyed the gospel as it was taught anciently after another gospel hymn by tho the choir RICHARD lUCIIA KD addressed the congregation c congre t i on which had bad become one of taga the 1 largest a agest ever gathered in the tabernacle the speaker proposed to give the drowning man the straw rather than nothing he lie believed there was a 4 better and an n e asier way w ay to the heart of god aiex as exemplified by the fourteenth and following verses of john chapter iii and ho be wanted to emphasize plia size the word wora perish there was the propensity to sin in which was the great danger sin sill was the tile vio violation aaion of law moral morill physical and social there ivere were so many wrecks by which lilo life and eternity were strewn our community was filled with the evidences and allure ments of sin thero there was one way to toko take away the stigma of sin sin as pointed out by the passage quoted Ther 1 here ewas was tho the principle of mercy merey obtained by forgiveness forgive neEs as shown by the parable of tho tile prodigal son bod god so loved the world etc 11 r for or two or three thousand years he ile loved tho the jews but as tho the river wi ilens dens so his mercy extends to tab take in m even utah at this day christ was bruised for our iniquities s 1 and whosoever believed on oil him would bo be saved still god had to be bojzat just adwell as merciful and thereby by the sacrifice of his son got the tile sins of roan man were atoned it was n god that atoned on for our sina sins bc be causo cause I 1 he ie did not want that any of us should perish Repentance and lord fesui chrit t were tho principles plea which were vere essential it was the love of christ and the tu turning aning away of tho the soul from ill tha t led to wt salvation beners we all wre but god would save us through faith in christ the speaker desired to strip from tb n he 0 faith of the people that which nv was as unnecessary he ile referred to ho tile saying of loll 1011 john the Rev revelator clato hat that whosoever added to the worda word s his name should bo be taken off the book of life jesus chris christ and ars alim H m cruci crucified ifield was what tho the F speaker believed in tho the cleaning blood of the savior ho ile did not t believe in tho the indis urgency of ban ial cism or t t 13 laying 11 18 on of ilan hand ds or other similar ordinances the hi di vino vine declaration in the tile plan or S was waa the faith in christ the oae ode principle io in hia his opinion 0 p for tile t salvation of man was va s the faith i jesus christ illustrated this by bences tho the faith in christ jesus was tho the essential point for te salvation ay and dire ile would wouida eave hu his children by hig his precious blood As to the ordin ordinances auces lie lic was not going to take anything away but keep them in their place where god biad put them lie referred to the third article of faith of the church of jesus christ of latter day saints and thought that they had gono gone through the bedrock of atonement and ventured on the quicksand of baptism and other ordinances din ances rev hartley earnestly declared his belief that baptism and other ordinances were not gable to salvation faith being sufficient addic adducing in the il instance istance of magdalen who wa was saved by her faith and the pharisee in the midnight I 1 interview ho ile denied that baptism was wag intended by christ when it ia is spoken of the burying in water baptism was simply a symbol as the fla hag was an emblem of loyalty botho to the country country not unless wo had faith in were wo his the tile speaker illustrated his idea by tho tile operations of nature the truth of salvation consisted in faith we were baptized because we were saved not saved because we were 0 baptized he then referred to the latter day saint principle that the tile gospel had been taken from the earth for 1800 yeara and declared it was neither reasonable nor true as t lie world never was so wicked as it was tit 1 the time of christ he could not see that god would bave scaled the fountain of truth at that time because ho ile found the tile world more moro wicked the worse they were the more they needed his salva salvation tiou the speaker adverted to the tile civil war which had broken the chains of slavery and which could not have been put on again it was not reasonable to t say that the sak sal of jesus christ was ever taken away from mankind from ca calvary I 1 va ry down to today to day there had bad boen one golden chain of believers on the savior there had bad been moments of obscuration martyrs had been going through flames and blood but there never was a time when there were no believers in the tile christ the tile speaker thought the latter day dax saints were even blasphemous emous in in saying that god had ever taken away the bread of life and he appealed to the tortures of the pallid faced martyrs of the roman am amphitheater phi theater the fires of smithfield and the scotch co venan that the gospel was the same years ago and 1000 years ago and all the way back as it was now ho he claimed that he lie had as much authority as jesus had to say as he ile had said to nicodemus and god so loved the world etc his authority to him to preach the gospel came from his oali own spirit not through commission or revel revelation atio n of in man ID in conclusion glattley referred to the bible pointing out that the scriptures had bad been handed down to us by the very people and passed through those ages which the latter day sainta saints declared to have been plunged in darkness and unbelief he also appealed to the faud audience ienco to come and drink of the tile truth 6 of that bible rev thayer pronounced the tile benediction and the large congre gation slowly dispersed the clock striking ten while the homeward baund bound people in ill various ways d diax is cussed the merits of the tile respective speakers |