Show jardine Hears Protest From Livestock Men of 11 I 1 On OB Grazing Fees SALT LAMB LAKE CITY Jan Jon 21 21 By Hy The Th Associated Press Press- Presa GrazInG fees for tor livestock In the national rc f-rc t and other PUblIC domaIn together with regulations under which the livestock men may enjoy benefits of ot the tho r range were discussed at a It conference be- be between be between tween government officials and stockmen tom from the tho eleven cloven western states state Tiers hero today W V If M Jardine secretary of ot ag- ag ac and the tb public land laDd commIssIoner William Spry rep rep- represent represent rep represent resent the thc government Twelve Twelve livestock livestock men were nam narn named named ed to present their claims at a meeting of ot cattle catti and sheep sheep- men among them thene were wert Oregon Oreion V 5 A Phillips Portland Color Colorado do W S V Lake City Nevada evada Vernon Metcalf Reno Montana l Dr J 3 A A Dono Dono- Donovan van Dono-van van Butte Eutte Wyoming Peter den Jen- JenkIns kins Jen-kins kIns Utah J W tv Mac Mac Mac- Macfarlane farlane Salt Lake City Idaho Le Lt Lea Macka lacka Arizona A Johns Prescott This plan was outlined to the livestock Him IJ some time tim ago ico by Secretary Jardino Jardine at whose sug sug- suggestion sug- sug suggestion the tho was called He proposed that the government officials meet the livestock men prior to the annual convention ot of the National Livestock association association which meets tomorrow More than livestock men were In the room when Fred H 11 Bixby Long Beach Deach Call Cornia called the th meeting to order and Introduced Secretary Jardine This is his Ills conference and I am glad ho he came cam to us Instead ot or ask ask- askIng askIng Inc ask Ing us to como to Washington Mr r nixby said Secretary Jardine Jardin began by re- re reviewing reviewing rc viewing the grazing fee tc controversy S sy from front Its Inception In 1905 when the stockmen I were first called upon to pay a L fee fe tor for the use ot of the public domain Including drafting of or the Ratchford report and aDd tho the Casement report both ot of which propose Increases Increase in the present fees foes TALKS T C E B of ot the depart depart- department ment of ot agriculture and author ot of the Ratchford report explain explain- explained explained explained ed some some- some charts he ho hat had prepared showing the comparative grazing tees fees on public and private privat lands In the tho eleven western states slates with the fees tees proposed ed in the Casement report The charter showed an of ot front from one halt a cent to three cents for to- to sheep ned d froma troma front a parity to eight cents for or cat cat- cattie cat cattle tie tic In Arizona and ond New 1 Mexico Mr r Ratchford explained the th re- re recheck re check placed cattle grazing land Ices fees on a parity with owned land The Th Nevada 1 recommended fees are aro 2 J c above the tho present rate Other quoted tana tano tanD c Colorado In- In Increase increase In crease Sc Ic Idaho district No 1 Increase Idaho district No 1 4 Increase Be tc Washington Increase Oregon Increase tc Utah so Tc California Increase Wyoming district No 2 In- In increase in increase rea crease o Tc Wyoming district No 4 Increase 4 In sheep the Increase would ran range ranco go from less than fourth ont one of ot a cent in Oregon to 2 ic 2 c in Utah California and Washington Mr said 1 the proposal was 0 o add 25 per percent percent cent of the tho Increase operatIng each year car until the full Increase is op- op op operative and these fees would be operative until 1935 1933 FOR PROTECTION In replying to this explanation Merle D Vincent Mont rosa Colo Cole Colorado Colerado Colorado rado the th Colorado Wool Growers association said that the tha government needs the in the national forests forest to assist in keeping down the t fire re hazard Take the tho stockmen out of ot the forests and ond In two seasons you wilt will have a tire fire hazard you could not control said Mr Vincent I 1 do not thinly think thin you have Ilave gIven consideration to this fact tact lit fix fix- ine log Ing these Increased fees tees He placed the users of ot Irrigation lion tion water the developer ot of pow pow- power power er and the user of ot lumber in the same class clasi with tho the livestock lI men saying that It If the th livestock men were charged fees tees for benefits do- do derived de derived rived they too should be ba charged tees fees True he be said the tho stockmen must go co to the th forests but these others who derive benefits bene tits have their benefit benefit- brought to them The Tho grazing US use of the forests Is absolutely essential to the stockmen he h added But the stockmen are ar absolutely essential es to the th forests forest tor for policing pur- pur purposes pur-POMO pur poses against fire Mr Secretary we e feel teel In lit con con- conclusion elusion that wo wo we are arb ar of or more value I to the tho forests than we derive from grazing our flocks locks thereon VIEWS Richard Dillon Castle Rock flock Colorado representing th the cattle cattle- cattlemen cattlemen cattlemen men said that It If the tho proposed In-creasa In In- In increase crease In grazing fee fee fee- become ef- ef effective ef effective the tho stockmen have ha decided not toco to operate co-operate with forestry or- or of officials in any wa way vay They Tiley are ar now operating co-operating in many Va ways CIting government reports to show that costs cost of or forest grazIng Is I more moro than private privat land graz graz- graz inc traz-inc log Ing because of or calf calt and lamb mor- mor mor mortality Dan Hughes another Colo Colo- Colorado Cob Colorado rado stockman said that lie be h did not think these se facts fact had been considered In the he proposed pro os revis revision revill- revill ion of ot rates rat s W iv Yo YoS S L- L o L e e CIl City Col- Col Colorado Cob Col Colorado orado expressed ed the tho opinion that the tho proposed increase In fees tees was far from a manifestation ot of sym sym- sym sym- sympathy sympathy pathy in the th present plight ot of o the farmer whose relict relief from his present financial condition Is a subject of ot proposed legislation In congress It if the th government proposes to center competition in 11 land leasing It must mutt nuke its laud compare favorably with VIII privately owned land Herbert S Bryson ot of Vial Wal Walla la Ia Walla said SLIM SLUr RETURNS Mr Bryson Bry on tiled filed a report with C s tary c stowing t lt t Lt om f-om I iv I jt i t ILI api i 30 Iv- Iv lv Lock ok m neon men n Ht ui u i tie forest In Washington ton and Oregon had derived a u net nel Income of over o u v period of ot seven years cals or seven hundredths of ot one per cent The grazing fees he h argued should be bo based on administrative co ceste ts only on I Les Lee Dillingham Mackay Idaho representing cattle bors horse and wool growers crowers of or Idaho said that tbt thata thata a Joint meeting ot of o these thc organizations organizations were unanimously opposed to the Casement report The Tho Th commercial value principle was held wrong wrone by Mr Dilling- Dilling Dillingham ham ham because It must be based up- up upon upon up upon on values value prior to 10 the th time tim when they become du Cost of or ad- ad administration administration d ministration was waa held as IlS the th only equitable basis buls of ot computation W Vi 1 J V Williams Malad Idaho looking ahead said ald h lie saw the possibility of ot placing their graz- graz grazing ing permits on the auction block and sold to some soma som larger operator which wo d put them out of or bus bus- busIness business iness mess The Th whole hole structure ot of o the tha Case Case- Casement Casement ment ascOt report and antI the present pol pot polIcy policy icy of ot the government in taking from from state states is wrong C CAL II At Meyers of ot Cody Wyoming told Secretary Jardine I 1 claim I 1 heave hav Inalienable state rights lii In Inthe the fore forests ts minerals and oils and andall andall an all products of ot lands within the thc state he ho said It If we w CAnnot have that then we must insist upon the tha cost coat of ot administration and finally for tor the tho time being we will accept the provisions of ot the Casement report n |