Show DEFENSE SCORES GAIN IN TRIAL OF BOY MURDERERS Expert Epert Doctor Testifying for Prosecution 1 Insists Loeb and Leopold Were Vere Sane I At t Time of Franks Lad I CHICAGO Aug Aus lS 1 IP G W 4 Testimony mony of Dr H Douglas Dougla Singer fourth alienist t forthe the that Richard Loeb nn rind Nathan 11 Leopold Jr were ere normal when whon thc they anti and killed year old old year Robert Flunks 11 nes last May 21 war wan subjected today to the pert expert e vivisection 0 of Clarence ClarenceS ClarencS S Darrow Barrow chief for the dot ease The Tho bearing to determine whether Judge Judco John R Ft Caverly shall the death lh penalty on the on their plea pica iCa ot ot guilty or shall l poe penitentiary sentences upon ullon tho the i for tor miti- miti mitigation gatlon gation of punishment was a on- on en enlivened livened lI b by frequent clashes of ot Mr Barrow Darrow with Ith th the witness anda and again ain with Robert Crowe Crowd st states te s attorney At adjournment this defense claImed these were ere net gin gain Admission by Dr Singer that lie had reached conclusion by oo- oo serration and not by co ex that a split described by the th defense alienists a as existing In both boys might I he e I toward a n mental that I the present ages of both Loeb and Leopold Is the tho time for de de mental 1 and that a n dream life might In- In Influence In fluence personality DECLARES BOIS SiE S E NEDr Dr Singer did not late c e lale from Crom Iris his general genral n thit hit ho he had found nothing to sway s him from his Ills conclusions that there was as no co evidence to IndIcate a diseased mind In either cither euth and that they h hid 1 displaced ed normal emotions and that their e Ih es contained nothing a nOI mal malThe The other leg ler of oC o the It ii plea of the defene defense o of the tho th endocrine gland bland elandt II was Was stems stems Was not touched upon today Mr Darrow Barrow was gratified by getting Into the refold record a ment by James lames 01 ot Joliet at t one on time official of oC the state penitentiary but now a la lawer cr that persons person had bad pleaded guilty to murder In Illinois In Inthe inthe the last ten and that only One ne of them Thomas Thorn Thom a man lean nearly 40 lecis ls Ci-ls old had been hanged Mr Darron's s point was to bring OUt that no youths of oC the ages of Leopold and Loeb Loob had paid the tho supreme penalty upon pleas picas ot of guilty and that Mr Ir rowe e who has termed tho the Frank case Se a n perfect hanging case casi sentenced 1 Itzgerald Once during today's short sex sex- session tion Lion sion 1 Mr Ir Crow Cro Crove e 0 char e that the tho defense was as tl Ing to cheat ceat the law Mr Darrow ID I'D ac- ac accusing ac cusing Mr Cro Crosse Crowe e of or 11 biting l held Loeb and Leopold while ho he forced confessions conc flom them I Another point the two t heatedly was when Mr lIr Crl Cro e re- re re termed to the as als ls persona nas as as a ne new comer coiner in the th hearIng SingerIn He was as Introduced by Un Dr SInger In n a a book In which h ho had haJ sought t to define more mor persons split personalities Mr Dar Dar- Dare Darow Barel Darrow el e row ow reading extensive from Crom the tho thes s ot k So I TENDENCY It was as In that that the defense counsel obtained the tho admission front Crom Dr binger 1 that schizophrenia the atlon ot of Pili palts Is of the pcr to split off ocr Is j 01 0 snore e likely meely to ue ue clop in- in anit in intelligent of the ages aces of and Leopold than In others s Singer SineT Cross ut vf Dr Sing Sing- er Cr T was wa unfinished when the tire hear hear- h Inc hearIng Sag Ing Ingos was os adjourned 10 30 am a m Monday It usa Ita IndIcated that the defense would end Its Questioning by Monday noon Is only one remaining Wit Wit- Witness wit witness witness ness Dr W V 0 O Krohn of Chi Chii caio cago a veteran expert rt witness In mur ler trial trials trial and as the prosecutor Intimated s a ace In Intimated In- In that a 11 day and ard a a half would suffice for tor hearing his tt permitting arguments ar In intire tire lIe hearing to be suited possibly morning S Loeb and Leopold much cause for tor merriment In the heated e Ca counsel and I andI I today ani ant face faces frequently were ero wreathed In smiles not changing even oven hen ahen lr Ir Crowe spoke of DC o the leath penalty At other times they whispered to each CAds other or addressed low remarks to I toI their attorn s The defense had an opportunity to bolster bol ter Its plea pica tor for mitt mitt- ration atlon In the punishment of ot Na- Na Na than Ihan Nathan r F Leopold Jr and Rich Rich- Rich Rich-ord I ird rd Loeb for tor and mum mur- derIng murderIng mur ioune loung oung Robert Hobort I ranks lanks when Clarence S chief Under un-d counsel for the defence defene took Un- Un der r examination cross Dr II II 11 binger the th state tate s e fourth alienist Dr Br sla Singer esterday that entirely Loeb Loco ind nd Leopold old v rc entire entire- ly hy normal and attacked the lire child child- child childish tab ish emotional ph and auto emo- emo bythe byth growths gro anite anga ang Kt bet up by the defense as t two 0 points of oC o Its Plea Ilea for inStead In penitentiary sentence Be In- In Stead tead ot of o death Ho He H fOllo cd Dr T F who isho had hd given e ld e nc against n the third phase slatIng Inc ot of the tho defenses defense s riot stat slat log Ing that reports report on the youths gland eland sho cd ho nothIng Incompatible T mi II health Mr Ir Darrow Barrow obtained permission to otter Offer n an n additional tt afier of- of tar ier r the state conduced concluded It II Its af re- re re rebuttal He H will be b Sante me QuIn- QuIn Quin-an Quin lan han an attorn e who haM ha checked up the th depositions deposition alone mad in lit Illinois murder easi In tho the last lut lutten ten years year In which peas of ot i guilty i v have been bon entered DOCTOR noOK nome Mr Darrow Barrow brought out that Dr Br Sinter Singer had In wrIting a book y the tho la law leiling up to the accusation that Dr s had examined Loeb Loob and Leopold In ot of o their rIghts while they In fn the cu i tody of ot Robert E r Crowe Crown 1 Sir Crow Crowe arose aroe and Und engaged Mr Barrow Darrow In ether ar-ether combat ed The prosecutor maintaIn wordy ed that Loeb and L Leopold had hadnot not been forced to talk tall willie while ho he held them that ores orte ore they had started talking he h cou coutil couii not stop them lIe Ito II wanted to show how how Smart mart they were You Tou or aio alO e not trying to enforce the low YOU are tr trIng III t to cheat BarS Darrow It Mr Crowe rOae e acce tt Mr Dar Dar- row S q Strike It alt all out Mr Report er Cr Reporter said aid eH Ca ending the tho argument I Another was os on tap however r or as Mr Ir Darrow Barrow ln on a a n has or or no rio ans answer anser er to this question You could not by looking nt at them h whether ther they lied a a men men- mental men men- mentel mental tal tel dl repelled repeated four tour or fh fiso e times time time with Dr Hn r trying to reply by Ino- Ino Mr ire Crowe Interrupt interrupted d dI I with an ob objection that Mr Barrow is tr to force the tho witness to say somethIng H Why didn t sou ou tell them to answer our doctors Mr Jr Crowe asked Mr Ir Darrow Darro TIlLEr THEr SPAR AG IX I Ivi I Why vi h hI didn t you tell them to get a lawyer Instead or o rf their constitutional rights rich Is hurl burl burled hurled ed cd back Mr Ir In his reply Mr Crowe referred to Loeb and Leopold Leopod as De crim crIm- crim- crim criminals Now lion l 0 shouted Mr Barrow Darro IOU OU have hate no more mOle right ri ht to call these bos bo criminals than tan I hose hale What's What the matter Mr Crowe shot at Mr narrow Barrow They are ar Confessed id murderers aren t the tho 1 lou ou a ate aie e not plead plea lug Ing plead Insanity are aro ou ou If It ou are let lets s call a jury I am flirt not calling uries re- re replied re replied plied piled Mr Darrow Barrow The defense chief counsel re- re resumed resumed r his hi cross of the witness Judge astri a again I directing striking out lila th Crowe- Crowe Dart Dar 0 on argument iou ou heal d questions question put repeatedly to aich eh one of ef the and they thy answered ered all allot ot of them Client by sa soling a Ing hey refused to answer on the ad ic of coon coun- counsel s coun-s sel asked a ked Mr Ir Darrow Yes res but not In those thos thoo words they acre cre more pr cae replied Dr SInger I heard Leo Leopold pol siy ey y to the sheriff that he was In his care but he protested Did they take tale him hint cut then Borrow Darrow I No was as the reil You t sayar say or thing to the tho sherIff about Leopold hIs constitutional rl asked hr Ir Darlo Barrow Danow and Dr Sinter Singer r ro- ro replied plied plied No No Were Vere you able abl to tl make malee male up lOur Our mind whether they had any mental disorders that tha do da 1 asked the attorney No 1 sir lr replied t tho Vio witness Did Did iou ou ever eter see them agaIn until they came ClIme Into this court courtroom courtroom room sIted asked Mr Barrow Darrow 1 0 sO 0 S S ASKED No No bir lr was as the he reply Did Did IOu ou over ever ask them any qUEstions I asked the tire ex cross I The bo r reply ply was n c Did you have hav any opinion as to asto whether hether they had i in an n mental disorders when the were ere In lii the tho s 5 office was lias the next question I Yes I hate hale this Opinion 1 lt what hat I had observed showed no of mental disease re- re replied re replied plied piled Dr Singer Sinter When uld Iid s ou first empress any opinIon as to their I 1 asked Mr Darrow Barrow I t really cant can't sa sai long after aCter the trial commenced v was wa as the th Mr lily Darl Barrow Danow 0 brought out that Dr Br Singer had heard all alt the defense alienists testify and then asked Do you mean to say there thero was seas wano no diseased evidence e to Indicate a dis- dis diseased eased mind Dr Singer Sincer replied that he h had heird opinions e expressed but that titers e was no statement of faCt related by anyone o th Ih alienists which Indicated I any ease case easeD I D D DUtROW mum AT IT hardat Mr Darrow Barrow was poundIng hard at the witness his ques- ques ques u- u questions In a contant constont Stream His long hair had fallen for forward ard over his eyes as a ho he g ee with his fingers arms head and body He leaned fOI ard and shot his neck out still further us IS ho he h em- em emphasized m his questions At times hIs voice dropped to a low lulling hilling II hum m lie IIa then wa was re suited hIm on onh to tor peat the tb favorable In a resounding baritone For a n year old man Mr Darrow remarkable remark was wa as lne remark remark- able energy as ho he sw on a back chair back In front of et f him hint rind and stepped and turned with Ith out out- thrown out thrown arms At times Umes he tec ie I on toes toos and heel heels thumbs under his gal gal- luses cal lues At times time ho he h would drop i ht hands hand lower and the gh c yanks to hi his loose h Hi His coat sleeves rippled eVen h when his n gestures were r confined to short jerks of oC his hla hand hands as ho he added energy to hi his Q DIdn t any ot of o the statements t nto of fact tact made mad by these e mists rist give elve ou an Id idea as IL to the mental condition of r these de- de d defendants shouted Mr r Darrow oth I would say any no ot of the commission ot of th the tha crime re- re re trued plied replied Dr Singer with e Now Doctor ou Said a IL split personality was vas wa no evidence ot of a mental disorder 7 shed asked the tho th at- at at torn torney attorney attorn but a halt half dozen snore more qUe questions lIons after Dr binger Inger had 1 replied No led lu tv an admissIon sIon lon that a split personality may maybe be a sign ot of disease air bolstered by his ex ax In murder trIals refrained calm under Mr Darrows Darrow's cross crois tire tiro ot of o questions question The witness refused to be b hastened Into reI replies lips hid a d took his hi time tim about answerIng and once having started a reply insisted It be b carried through to before Mr D B row irrow put In others other others A ore core ore ot of o other questions question and ers answers regarding a split poison poison- allty covered pretty well the same ground previously gone Bone over Once One Mr r e Cro interrupted with wit an objection to 10 Mr Barrow Darrow reed read Ing front books book about split per por- insisting In the writers writer be put on the stand for or cross I examination CM Ca erly over over- I bled him ho however ever A series of questions as to what hat Is memory obtained tory answers Dr SInger Sinter hi but buL hits loner ba be b more morn specific finally admitting that in all probability it results from some effect on the th nerves nerve The mutter matter of ot the th split person person- allty personality provided a half halt hundred more mor questions and ana answers Dr Br Sin Sin- Singer Siner gem ger er said Id that the th fact that II a a per pr son Ion on forgot a II name flare nam did not mean he had a split per per- per per- personality but bul Instead might mC swoon ln lie he was as wa growing g gro Ing old What other names do they Use ui I I for Cor Or split plit personality ked asked Mr Barrow T rR NAVIES NAtES I Oh Oh delu delusion lon thin slon sion mannerisms the they are aro all evI- evI evIdence evi evidence dence of split personality was as nathe t the he reply Mr asked It if anythIng that hopper hopper-ed f to 0 any nen ncr se 0 was as Trot not carried to the bain and Dr Singer replied that every very nen ner e a wa-i wa not directly connected with the braIn some workIng but hilt or of o course ultimately reaching the braIn lIe Ito ga gate 0 an example mple of o f a football pIt ph or er breaking a thumb and then Ihen pla the re- re re re of oC the game came t Ino knowing Ing ho was as Injured Oh Oh doctor lou iou OU are lire not trIng to fool Cool me roe ere are ar arouT son ouT ou accused Mr Durow Assured that ho hI woe was 11 not Mr Ir Barrow Darrow engaged Dr Singer In on an argument a about bout blocking off of f eerie nene etc indicating II a a good Ino knowledge on hi iris his 0 own n part of o f ano anatomy and v was nas a eo hied In tile the cro cros examination and 1 Mr Dar Dam Darrow row ross r Cud and th witness the fenced II n-i n Mr fr Duro tried to force s an ansis Pro ers You spoke spols about emotions t a distin from l what docs does tho the l Barrow Darrow Ity come from asked 1 Mr Ir The rhe need of or 11 matter to ton Itself It elf was the reply The Tho psych side Ide of ot emo emo- emotion emotion tion means mans the th f hut but anger for Instance l Is beyond a state of o f feeling of ot mind as it becomes a of oC the whole hole bodi hod bod UT P or nD IID I I I Arc Are emotions a ii a part of or the mind asked aked Mr Yes Tes a part wits was the reply Is there thre a difference between air an emotional and anil an In- In In Intellectual emotion he ho was asked I II 1 don t believe a we e e can separ separate ate them because at t certain stages Intellect there al ar ate e emotions emotion without any In- In In at nt all but when ben intellect eop de it t becomes become a pirt p rt of the mInd and no we 0 cannot separate It a was the reply rlph All the tho psychiatrists psychiatrist seek out the lt emotions emotion nr na iii a separate It dont don't they asked Darrow I dont don't know all nil the psychiatrists mists said Id Dr Singer Did Did ou mlle miLe any distinction as to the tho boss hois bo s emotional and In- In Intellectual Intellectual In Intellectual reactions le I Darrow asked I Yes ys sir ell was the reply WAs Was the reaction of Loebs Loeb's remarks re me- me marks Oh flIt my coy God Cod I don t kno know why hy I I did It If a of emotion tion questioned Mr Dan ow Yes with Ith possibly some 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