Show Ip POSTOFFICE sT FF C R ROBBERS BB RS ENTRAPPED M M M fI t M M BOSTON MIND MiNO MINDI I AUTHORITY ON TRIAL STAI STAND Condition of Childish Agreement Are Not Spoken Aloud MAKES LONG TALK W Would ouId Km Kill Again If ItI It Gave Pleasure Is I I I Testimony CHICAGO Aug Dr t 4 ADrI W I William Healy Mealy Boston psychia psychia- psychiatrist psychiatrist trist testifying as 8 a defense alien aUen- alienist 1st 1st today at the hearing to de- de de determine tot mine punishment for tor Richard Loeb and Nathan F Leopold Jr for the and murder ot of I Robert asserted an pin pin- In credibly absurd childish com corn compact compact pact bound the tho boy boys arid and had hod a bearing on the ulti- ulti ultimate ulti ultimate I mate acts ot of the youths tSURE SU AIM I I Dr Healy testified both boy boys had told him they would again go through with the tho Franks murder It if their and the con con- conditions conditions con conditions were nero th this the same Ho He said Loeb told him he found nothing to deter him and that Leopold had said he would commit the crime again it if It gave him As to ta the contentions of oC th childish compact which had In- In Influenced in influenced the later lives ot of Leo Leo- Leopold Leopold I and Loeb nothing was cias said In in open court Judge John R erly Ca ruling with Dr Mealy Healy that the matter was nas unprintable and having him recite It to the court stenographers for tor the record Nothing that is unfit tor for pub pub- publication pub publication Is coming out here Judge Caverly asserted I S i Dr Healy Mealy was the second alien alien- alienist It to testify for Cor the defense and his hi testimony went sent ent In over oer 0 er state objection Judge Caverly again ruled ruled that the court had a right ht to listen to e evidence in mitigation of punishment as he ho had ruled Friday then hen the testimony of oC o Dr lIliam A White was as as permitted marking a new Dew departure In XIII- XIII Illinois Illi Illinois nois jurisprudence It was as the ele eleventh court day TS Dr Mealy Healy took the stand and andI I under questioning by Clarence S Darro chief of the defense defene counsel Identified himself as DS a physician and psychologist ot of Boston Robert U D 1 Crowe states tates attorney offered the same objection objection objection tion to testimony a as he had In the instance of Dr White and as he had done previous previously Judge Caver Caver- Caverly Caverly Caverly ly overruled and Dr Healy Mealy pro pro- proceeded pro proceeded to qualify quality as an expert epert wit wit- witness wit witness ness nea Dr Healy Mealy qaid ald he had made the study of the conduct of chil chil- chil children children dren and adolescents hl his chief work Dr Healy Mealy said Mid he had studied Leopold and Loeb their histories family histories S I given SIen en then them pay pay- psychological tests and had endea- endea endeavored ored to get data on their emo Onto emotional emotional 11 lives lIes es beginning on July 4 and seeing them a considerable number of ot times since having seen them the tho equivalent of a number ot of o whole das da a A general physical observation of the boys with special mental tests Observation observation of ot their personalities emo emo- emotional emo- emo emotional emotional lives studies of oC o their cor- cor correspondence cor correspondence and to them Interviews Ith other olber people concerning their home JI tea It-tea and associates Dr Healy Mealy said led to hI his conclusions EARLY EARL ASSOCIATION TIO Having laid the ground ork tot for Dr expert Mr Darrow row asked aked him to go 0 ahead with all his conclusions Mr Mc Crow Insisted the expert give details of the examination and ond deductions and Cat Ca erly Instructed that he should do that thal II referring to his notes and talk talk- talking ing ng without Interruption by the I tate state The association between bet een the boys began begon at nt 15 years of ot age alre he I IThe said It It was war very clear clOar from m froma a study of tho the boys separated that each had bad peculiarities in their mental life each arri arr ed at pe- pe peculiarities pe peculiarities by different routes and each supplemented the other others s al- al already al already ready abnormal needs In a most moat unique way wy EARLY ERLY CREATiNG CHEATING As Judged by and with correspondence the compact their quarrels quarrel and thou theU deeds all tend lend to show a most moat strange and pathological relation according to the story of ot each the tho Idea ot of their coming together for crime crimo pur- pur Continued on tn Pago Page Two TELLS ABOUT CHilDISH PACT ACT Continued 1 One poses began In R a ery ery definite way ay with their plannIng of extensive cheating at bridge witch when how how- howe however ever eer e er they wore were wr not vry ery success success- successful successful successful ful at ot Mr Crowe objected to the tho th doe doc doctor doc doctor tor br as ns to t generalities and making a speech and wa SIlS- SIlS sus eus sustained tamed b by the th court who admon- admon admonIshed admon Dr Br HealY to tell directly what Loeb said lid and what hat Leo Leo- Leopold Leo Leopold poid said MINOR THEFTS Concerning Loeb Dr Healy there were w r any number of oC minor thefts ho he h for forthe forthe the purpose of apparently getting n a thrill In tho m matter of th their lr I ta- ta I hAve hav the th boys stories told separately s about an IncredIble Ibl Ible absurd childish compact which bound them and which bears bear out In Leopolds Leopold Leopold s case cu particularly tho idea a of his mental condition Loeb Lob says the th gave I him the tho th opportunity ot of getting i to carry out hi his bile criminal criminal- imaginations In the th case car of Leopold the direct cate of his hl ci acts acL was wa as this par par- par particularly childish compact Mr Crow Crowe Crowe Interrupted with ft 11 demand that Dr Healy Haly specify sp the childish trist compact and the th psychia triet hesitated before ho he h refused tO tl proceed In open court and suggest ed cd a retirement to the th Judicial Chambers 0 0 or er r Mr Crows Crow s perk per persistence por Judge Ca ruled something unfit for tor or publication wIll wll b be brought out her hero here and di directed di- di directed reeled Dr Healy Haly to talk to the tb ste- ste stenographers ste stenographers stenographers for tho court record vita with Ith the me attorneys for lor b th siti I grouped closely about Ne New spa spa- per men were wr ore admonished by Judge Caverly to keep out of ear ear- earshot earshot shot Dr Healy said the th matter secre- secre ly Iy discussed had a II bearing on th the ultimate act of ot the th boys boy HIGH He Ho asserted Loeb told him on a number of occasions he h never had hi found an thing thine which would doter du- du ten ter him from doing It over again referring to the Franks Frank murder On the part of ot Leopold L Dr Heal continued I hav have a spate slate meet ment from him that Well ies es I would continue In this sort of at- at affair fair However I think It mor more from an Intellectual standpoint and an for tor his own personal gratifications Uon I sep see ei Leopold of o high nervous III iii- iii stability f has greatly eC et use of the fact sUbject to ready blushing etc tc I Isee Isee sc see signs In him of the th great ncr ner- nervous nervous energy I agree with the th Bowman and Hulburt report that their results show evidence o of y pathology of glands of ot Internal MA as- Regarding Leopolds Leopold's mentality I find by conclusive evidence he h possesses very high general Intel Intel- Intelligence I i I MENTAL TESTS Dr Healy testified as to the th a rious mental tests testa he h had given the th boys boy and upon Insistence oy ny Mr Crowe read voluminously Into In 0 the record II a s report of the th arlous questions question and steps of the tests Dr Healy Haly testified that ono one on tes requiring five minutes for fr the tho most persons Intelligent nt persons had been answered perfectly by Leo Leo Leo- Leopold L In three minutes 15 If second the th quickest he ho over ever had heard hear of It being solved As Dr Healy l read rend slowly from the tests he h had riven gien Leopold It was brought out they Included mo- mo motor m tor lor control judgment s simbol m bol and various arlous other tests with Ith the th usually rating er high In his replies his hi only failure being In a paper cutting test I gave ga av him hint some som tests tots that are ai 10 Included In thO th of the only y ones I know that deal ly y with Ith hi his type of Dr Healy Heahy testified SLOW IX I CLr CLI OUT As Dr Healy Mealy testified as a to his h 13 high Intellect Leopold blushed and andI an I smiled widel Idel while Lob Loob lips parted slightly sat Interested but t unsmiling A most moat remarkably short time was repeated over and over as Dr r Healy testified d as to the th rapid rapidity ley with which Leopold II mind ra rea 1 tione had permitted solvIng of th tt arlous anious tests Dr Healy had II a six Inch stack slack of test papers ho he hona 1 ns 1 na patiently wading through Dr Healy Mealy testified that In a II word ore reaction test tot In la which he h suggested l i one word and Leopold mentioned the th word that ono one on brought Into his mind Leopold Leopolds s a mind functioned slowly when chIsel l and i were Instrument It-Instrument mentioned A chisel was as at the th Instrument of ot death In the th ranks murder Leopold scored cored only 58 ft out of ot a possible In a picture cut OUt o test tent Just average for a 0 year 13 r old child said ald Dr Hoal very y poorly indeed much to my sur cur cur- u rice p-rice SAYS SATS HES HE'S SUPERMAN N Throughout the tests teals Leopold Leopol 1 showed himself self elf and i egotistic beyond any normal norm l stage teo the th witness testified COil COil- Coi earning corning his personality one on find s him ry ery energetic physically and mentally very vry enthusiastic and forceful about an thing he h mi- mi Initiates and for years yr has haa ha been very vory vi f rebellious against social and roo n re obligations H He says ay ho he Is I a a superman and andon andOn an on the tho th basis bails of the tb philosophy of t Nietzsche Dr Haly nealy testified re no- no r rending Leopold In jail ho feels feats fe similar to Napoleon on St Hel- Hel Helena lie One cna Leopold main concern seems to bo be b as he ho says saye whether hether r the re- re reporters porters say the th right thing thine about mm him I i saw aw no of one on expect of ot a 8 a normal emo- emo emi emotional life lito lit In Jail or related to his b discussion dl of o the th crim Crimo Dr Healy touched on the r slave king lave brought out oue 01 previously by Dr White Whit and on hi his testimony paralleled th that t of the tho th Washington psychic psych trial It It It Is la clear clar that parthe he h Is enjoying immensely the th part rt he h Is I pia In said laid the th doctor It It lIs Is much like a 8 dr drama ma and Ie ic thought the tho th best way was as to play th the thing out tho 10 ending My loy judgment Is I that there thero seems to bo be b some om steady Impair Impair- meet ment of hi his own wn judgment con con con- concerning ci himself elf particularly his iii re- re r relationship i to life AB IDEAS Leopold s e day duy dreaming or 01 ph phan phi tades mad made a II a very Important thing said SLid the th witness not be cause caus wo we w are ar not all subject to It but hut because o his hla hi early arly day clay dream dream- dra ing In dreaming was wo so 0 o abnormal and oad has haa been boen bi carried along so 0 abnormally Ho 10 began so o ho he h say says ay with dwelling on n the th picture vt Of suffering and a causing others to t suffer which will would auld seem em to be proof prot of some some- something son thing thine going wrong wrone nj ia a L child There Thero was wae wa the crucifixion which he h dwelt upon These The apparently Ir had an Immense Influence on h hs lifo They c como corn m up again acain and again acain and had relationship to his hi Is relation to tl Loeb Lock and to f other bOy boys be N earlier lIe II had a a specIal sort ort of brandIng of t Three or four tour year ears ago io Loeb b began to b be wO en Into lato his fai tam fam liv I I Al At this point court WAS w to 2 p in ni |