Show continuation of the Frand iise case SILT LAKE nov 23 at the objection jec tion inquiry lat evening hark testified I know charles gilmoor Gil I 1 think bis reputation for troth and i cruelty is rood I 1 never beard against him to deurand young I 1 am acquainted quain ted with one person who resides near Gilmor iwer conversed with any ot his neighbors about him I 1 bold him bome horgea six or beven years ago we speak when we meet that is all our intimacy deputy arthur pratt testified when I 1 II 11 wells flag released from the penitentiary I 1 was a deputy marshal judge emerson committed mr well ube procession ision that wel lomed sir wels was a very one made up ol 01 vehicles horsemen and children the police were ahead I 1 H wells ai in a carriage near alie head of the procession legrand young t the court Is a procession by the people unlawful I 1 want to show its magnitude ind Yoong People may admire a man without committing trea bon babkin when a man was coming from aribon was it proper to give him an ovation legrand young it is not unlawful aratt one of tho banners had the worda we believe in polygamy the procession was cheering and D II 11 wells agad the clivera in 1874 or 1875 I 1 had a subpoena from alie thaid district court for Brig harn young went to the rs office and saw I 1 0 calder to w bom I 1 told my business tie said I 1 could not see the president and said they would beene it for me which I 1 declined to do I 1 went back and returned to brigham youngs office we were stopped by a niara shaw now dead maxwell told shaw he was lie said lie united states be d d I 1 arrested shaw maxwell who wag a cra pie down shaw v a sent to the penitentiary we tried again with a acme of eight or ten the gates were closed I 1 U wella was there and offered to serve the B Y hampton and several police were there mr wells served the I 1 was onca employed at 7 C M I 1 was discharged because 1 would not sign a piper donating one tenth of my earnings to the aunch to 1 grand young I 1 did not se the stars and in the procession referred to if it biad been dragged there I 1 would have boen it to I 1 heard it claimed that the alg was boiled roiled roi led but I 1 did not see it alia streets w ere ded to the court 1 could not tell how many persons there do not think there were our or five tholand tho wand the faion was composed of mormon people W J van horn testified I 1 am an attorney at law reported alie pro la the tabernacle alter the procession for the tho tabernacle faill seat nearly persona and it was crowded took B lift of the banners that 1 noticed One raid we believe in polygamy and others expressed discontent of mr wells imprisonment and rejoiced at bis ra lease the hews claimed that there were tea thousand penona in alie dickmon read from a leies editorial of february regarding the ee lection by revelation of teasdale Tea adale and cleber J grant aa apostles and saymour B howg as one of the first teven odthe seventies fergus fargason iCed T am deputy clerk ot the thira district court la may 1835 georga Q cannon ai anjer indictment for unlawful cohabitation BO president john taylor and joseph F smith the latter is belill ander indictment arither president taylor nor I 1 iacre eer the airet indictment nold tt as before may isas the bec eec ond indictment MIS found april 11 ir dickason reab a letter purport to be rom the late president taylor to census agent white the letter la dated january and explains the autis of bishops and stating that bithos had in temporal matters ot the church william G phillips testified I 1 wai city marshal 0 salt lake in I 1 nenod my term out went on a ram on afterwards and returned a year ago am now bambary inspector or the city has emp oed about three months ater I 1 betor ed my term of office expired io february ISS i read rom 0 S faians Va ians scrap book a paragraph rom a opy t of the obituary notice john taylor published july 1885 dickson announce that tins clofed their case legrand young eaid the defense were not prepared to go on aarl suggested that the case KO our till monday paid that thee aern ment desired to be in the argument by ita brofer officer C K varian the united stales district attorney after some farther court adjourned till 10 a m to day tina morning IV J van horn wag called and gave a list of v hat ho paid were tho mottoes on banners carried in the procession that followed I 1 II 11 wella I 1 dirt not see ahe american flae there did not CM one in the procession at the meeting the breakers were F D richards P II 11 welli and john taylor diceson said that arthur wild wanted to change his testimony to say that when the said flags were in the lie dd not mean american alac van horn said the speeches were commendatory of D II 11 wells for preferring to go to alie penitentiary for can tempt rather than reveal ahe endowment ceremonies baskin said he had a judgment in a bishops court between parties for a sum of money beg rand oung said that it was a doctrine of the mormon church that the members should bottle thir difficulties by the arbitration of bishops courts rather than go to law there waa no effort or intent to enforce judgment those who did not comply were shaped shi ped and it might be in extreme cases excommunication dr aas L talmage was called by the defence lie testified I 1 am principal of the latter day college an thia city was formerly member of the faculty ot the brigham young academy in brovo acted in that cap city four years have studied at the lehigh university pennsylvania and the john baltimore in the balter day saints college w e give instructions in thu bogy the same as kotlier branches our theological clashes study the bible and other works alie f alie new testament Te are taught here the new is a text bak of daily we the book of mormon and doctrine and covenants are also sermons are not referred to the constitution of the united states is taught we teach that the con is inspired and of all human documents approaches nearest to perfection it is taught that it ia the foundation of tho govern ant of tha united states and must be reveraa we teach celestial but not plural marriage we eai h that celestial marnae is a c n net for both time and eternity ahila the civil marriage binds people only in this life we tea h that marriage is a religious as well ai a civil contract we never bay anything about polygamy there ifray have ben a question asked about it but 1 recall no instance the B Y follows the same rule as does our college bolh are sustained by voluntary do cation from members of tha I 1 have been a member of the church eighteen years we teach kaaa free agency as a part of oar courie we teach that mans free agency is paramount tint it has not ben interfered with by the and should nt be by any we teach that mans future depends on hia course in this lita that ha by the exercise of bis own agency show his nature and preferences we also teach eliat the kingdom of god is to be an outgrowth of the church of christ that it is not here but that it will be Bla blish d and that we should pray far it when it is established will bo ia k edff we say that he will come as the bible says but that time no man know s not oven the angels in beav en we have never taught anything contrary to the laws of th elani it is a part ol 01 our teachings that people i prepare themselves ta be good citizens the teachings in the B Y academy and in our own colleges have been approved by the authorities ol 01 the church that is the plan of instruction has To Dickson we teach that celestial marriage ia distinct from plural marriage the meaning of plural marriage is and the meaning of celestial marriage is explained we teach that celestial marriage may bo entered into in the relation that it is different from ordinary marriage in that it ia available in eternity we teach the to obey all the laws of the united states we mention no laws specially we have not bad any questions upon the laws relating to polygamy poy gamy that I 1 can recall we also teach obedience to abo revelations of god as a religious duty we teach that tha con situation guarantees oua freedom we teach students to obey the laws wa also teach them that they have the privilege of obeying god ia their religion 1 believe in the revelation oil plural marriage and that if the constitution had been conformed to there would have been no la against it I 1 each he pupils what I 1 believe but not all that I 1 believe we lao explain that the revelations do not require violations of law I 1 think the statutes against agamy are conati tut ional I 1 dont think plural mar lage is characterized by tha ot bigamy as a crime I 1 congress bought to suppress plural marriages and I 1 they overstepped over stepped the constitution in abe echo we teach the free agency of man we also teach that it is proper to seek counsel from tho best Bo urrea we have not taught that it is wrong to re bel against the d we have taught that of the church should obey the authority of the priesthood but they may disobey it they choose I 1 think that we should obey the instructions of the president of the in bis olli cial capacity la relate to the church alie subject of obedience to tle priesthood is not discussed I 1 dont teach anything I 1 do not belieka be lieva but I 1 do not force on the hupila all that I 1 do believe there are many topics that ate not referred to in college pupils are froni 14 to SO years of age 1 am 27 years old in regard to the kingdom of god I 1 do not understand that it is set up atall 1 understand that it is alie mission of this church to prepare for the kingdom of god but to do BO it is not them to exercise temporal authority I 1 have md the semens of the leaders of the church but have not been any that the kingdom of god a set up without of declarations I 1 understand that when the principles of righteousness taught by the church ahall prevail then the kingdom will be bat ia the sense of a kingdom it Is the tear lung that it la not ret up to the court when christ come and reigns then the kingdom will be established it cannot be a kingdom yet because there is no king to dickson the president of tha church is not the representative of he king in temporal mailers I 1 believe that when christ cornea he wilt hold control in matters and that all men who work righteousness w 11 aid in control that the priest hood holds no control in temporal matters but in spiritual I 1 not boileve that the priesthood hive the right to control men lo 10 all temporal matters I 1 dont thuinli the p evident has a right to direct abao in all temporal matters I 1 dont think the president hafl a right to irett absolutely in all temporal maters A doctrine dor trine to that effect is foreign to my understanding I 1 never leave that they have a right to dictate in all matters I 1 have studied the teachings of the authority 0 the church to wo teach the pupils that there is a distinction between plural and celestial marriage we no as the one on polygamy we have oce on the eternity of the inar covenant we teach that abo revelations in the doctrine and covenants are divine aad includes the revelation on celestial marriage Ili iral marriane marri aae is not eien aa a commack to the church but celestial marriage is marriages in alie church ar celestial marnane mar nafe but marriages are not all cloral marriages I 1 believe that a deception or is a necessary characteristic 0 bigamy I 1 understand der stand there was no law in aw against a mm marrying two wives alem he fraud I 1 understand now that there are laws against polygamy now in existence I 1 do not consider that our system includes bigamy in the we leave not given any instructions as to whether plural marriage should or should not be practiced to the court in the highest grade in the acbo 1 the e questions may come up we say that celestial marriage la binding for eternity being consummated by divine authority we do not explain what plural mar nae is but 1 it to mean plurality of wives we teach that marriage cn be performed as a religious ceremony or as a civil contract we dont mention marriaga either onady or another I 1 aoi neither authorized nor qualified to tach plural marriage we do not understand that teaching that marriage is corrupting hie morals of the pupils be cadee v e do not teach it thre th re has any comparison between the laas atthe and doctrines of the chunh I 1 believe plural marriage to be a proper condition but have given no instruction upon it I 1 a young man educated in ahn college donld believe abat a law winch binds his conscience is unconstitutional but be would not believe that such a law was not binding I 1 would not the breaking of any law for I 1 consider a law binding until it is annulled fo dickson I 1 believe the law ie but that it is not bini ling I 1 bavo never taught the children thit plural la right because I 1 have not taught it at ail the do not control in temporal matters I 1 have never heard it taught that plural marriage oi itself all exalt anyone believe celestial marriage ia to exaltation to le grand young A celestial marriage ia oce consummated between a man and a that will be of avail in eternity as veil as in this life ahia is the revelation of celestial marriage I 1 understand that polygamy is not obligatory but is permissive I 1 think celestial marriage is obligatory for exaltation that ia an eternal union in marriage of husband and wife the has been read in echoic we teach that marriage for eternity id necessary we have never taught the priesthood control in temporal matters we teach that advice in temporal matters from those who understand them ia proper and the eane ea ne as to spiritual matters I 1 thick there must be a king to a kingdom I 1 bunk christ will ba king of kingdom of god and alit there will bo no other ruler aa to the proportion of ies in utah I 1 would say there ia not to exceed one in thirty among the adult male members of the church to dickson I 1 think there are leas than people in the territory do not know haw many thee are to bitkin bit kin I 1 said if I 1 needed medical advice I 1 would ak one q to give it buskin Is living oa of handa for the healing of lua edik a doctrine of the church the court that this was improper to mr young when a man ia a pol gAc it is usually but a short time before his neighbors know of it I 1 dont ink it pos bibla to keep it secre long I 1 know the monogamists hae tho elective franchise and poly batni ts do not take the oa li some people do not take it from doncien thoua A man who does not take it is usually spotted to pickton I 1 have never taken steps to ies I 1 consider it my duty to mind my own the court I 1 know prominent men in the chuich who are not poly camies I 1 do not understand that all the apostles are polygamists brigham young john ttyler Tty lor geo Q cannon J 11 0 W penrose were 1 understand that apostles U J grant john and A II 11 lund are not did you never hear that J grant had a second wife now in england dr I 1 never did court took recess till 70 this even ing when further evidence in the line ot dr testimony was introduced toe evening bessian vas very short mr the only witness examined the court informed the counsel that the menta in the cafe must close by monday and gave them seven hourd in which to present said arguments three and a half hours and two on each eide toe court also announced that he would ave liia decision in the case before he left for be next sunday lie al ingavo to the objector dickson baskin the opening and closing of the arguments court then until monday at 0 a m |