| Show THREE REASONS fOR SHORTAGE OF nr COM GOAL Union Pacific Company Slights Salt Lake for Better Bettel Prices S PROSPERITY ONE REASON Testimony Also bo Shows Slums of or Bin t. t Is Ii I j to l Handle Supply J p I In co Ih ons n for fol Utah's coal lOal holt f U age O l ero JAu at ILL limo Iho t nt h hearing of or the joint Il c h commission n hl h Is Inquiring into time llie coal question toll and alleged cd Its dis ci ion in fiel freight hl rates Time Thu rc reuM gk ghen i mi me lie tho U Union Coal com coin PUll any l anH to tn get ct out omit of if tho limo Salt alt Lake amid ami is m It Us Its product lit III places U hero helo coal cOlli s s a no higher l' l l inice i 11 Ice cc That time the pro eily of or ortho tho Lime nation Hatton hits lias glown S M so fast that hint tho limo mines I lit cannot IL the time coal fast enough h to 10 time Hie flint time till Hlo i Is Js Inadequately equipped to handle tho thU of Jr Utah mines There were cre four COUI witnesses es and antI ou out if of r their testimony ny came camo only onh one t sug- sug ug estion of a means for fOI That Tha wag vas to summon the managers of f r Utah roads and the operators o of Utah mines and see If some agree agree- a meat ment could not be bo reached whereby a n i reduction in ft freight eight rates ant and in th the cost of oC coal coni at the thc mines could coult no nobe not be effected Each of or the witnesses S agreed that tha thata commission would a railroad relieve present conditions but they nere welo all of or the opinion that a a. maxi maxi- Tutu mum freight hate rato should be d. d It Sit was as also shown during turing the tho In Investigation In- In that Salt Lake coal dealers intro have entered an agreement to keep tho the pi price Ice of soft coal at 57 C 75 a ton am that any an attempt on tho ho part puit of the dealers healers to lower lo the tho pi prIce ice is Js rebuked b by br the producers Kate Hule Discriminations 1 I statements made the freight rates from Crom torn the tho j o Q Suit Salt Lake It was wu shown tort Pa Pacific railroad charged chained tJ on tor coal the am n t I and l ll l ois ic icU t U Salt SnIt I a distance of or 26 miles or 01 r t to sol 6 whIt the ti-ic Grando chal charges cs the lio same iRame rate jato from flom Castle Gate to Salt T Lake C a distance of or lii miles The difference In 11 the tho dl distance tance Is explained somewhat b by the fact tact that the Rio Grande ha has to haul Its cas cars cais over cr a summit whilo the Union Pacific has l hasa a n practically even n grade The Union a blanket rate on coal t shipping coal from rom the mines miney a as al faias far fai faras faras as Santaquin Utah and anti l Idaho for fur a ton Those conducting cOI lh the he hearing wr ivere Senators Lawrence Lawrn CI Johnson Clegg G Button Bullen and Ho Chairman Ho Robinson ohton Bowns and ami I Hoiu OI Mr Barnett Darnett was absent a lve Harry iJ J. J Robinson o ell chairman airman of tHe tho commission presided Senator George Gorge N. N Lawrence acted a as attorney r and ant Daniel Hamer Ilam r was wO-CJ ston ston- The witnesses examinee examined former Richard yesterday were Mayor Mayo r P. P Morris of or the Citizens' Citizens Coal Coat company company com corn pany puny Walter Va Iter B. B Sprague formerly of the D 1 1 J. J SharI company that wa was frozen out of nf business last summer ummer by bythe he the Union Pacific Coal company and anti andall railroad all road Robt Marsh of tho limo Kemmer- Kemmer er r Coal company and John R. R Bruit Bruff manager of or tho the Utah Soap company The meeting wa was hel held in the mayors mayor's private office oI ce When the commission adjourned it was until ten n c-n o'clock Monday Monda mo morn mort- ru lag ing ng Several witnesses 8 will be he sub sub- Saturday Satur ny Including railroad men and coal officials private dealers and oth others Is I's familiar with coal and freight rates to In Fill Mr Morris testified that his company company com corn pany handled or tons of or coal a year He lIt says his company J Pays ays the producer 37 a ton for Cor coal coni and a a. ton for slack In answer to questions from flum Senator Lawrence and othor others of the commission lon he lie said HaitI there had been a 0 coal shortage for I two years due to the fact that the tho i producers would not 1111 the orders of or orthe the retail lelaU deal dealers dealer ens Lawrence What reason do the coal companies assign Morris They Morris They say sometimes that they do not have havo cars am and when they thoy have plenty of or cars OOl'S they say they have have- not enough minors Lawrence To Lawrence To what do you attribute the unusual conditions this winter Morris l mete There hele 1 are ale not mines enough in operation There has been too much growth glowth The production Is insufficient Lawrence Are Lawrence Are you familiar with the tho alleged discriminations relating to certain dealers 1011 Policy of ot Union l Pacific Morris Morris No The Tho Union Pacific would not fill orders They may be shipping coal East to Nevada to Oregon Ore Ore- gon gorm or to Montana where they get hl higher her prices Mr Air Morris then said that during 1906 he lie ha had received the time following amounts of or coal from the Union Pacific Pa Pa- elite January 40 41 ca cars February 8 March 1 4 April J Ii 0 May MaJ Ii C. C June 7 Jul July 15 16 August C 5 C. C September 1 October October Oc Oc- Oc- Oc tober 0 November 4 December 0 O. Lawrence What Lawrence What it is the cost ol or transportation on the tho Union Pacific Morris Morris The The freight rate from Rock RockSprings RockSprings Springs is that Is 18 a haul of about 25 miles nilles The haul from Diamond Diamond- yUle vine Is miles and the rate Is the thc same name ns os from Castle Castlo Gate Gater a little over o miles Lawrence Lawrence Are e Ax-e you yon familiar with the lie agitation especially since the legislature legIslature legislature leg leg- opened for the establishment of a 0 railroad commission an and the thc sug suggestion of or a maximum tariff Morris Morris More More or less l Lawrence Do Do Do you think n a maxi maxi- Continued on page pae THREE REASONS FOR SHORTAGE OF COAL Continued from pa page o 1 mum tariff rate on coal would be beneficial beneficial ben ben- cOdal Morris Morris- Morris Y Yes Laurence Lawrence Have Have you thought though t of or oran an any ba basis 18 b uy bY which n. n tariff rate could be reached l. l mileage or 01 otherwise Morris Morris No I 1 have thought however how ever vel that If coal conI can bo ho hauled from Rock flock Springs anti and for tor a n. ton coal from Castle Gate could bo ho hauled for much less Lawrence Upon Lawrence Upon this basis do 10 you think It If a n fair fall tariff rate rato was wa established established established that It would encourage Independent Inde mile pendent operators to mine coal coaT Morris Morris 1 Yes Lawrence If Lawrence If In Independent dependent concerns opened property would that encourage encourage age the development of coal properties properties proper- proper ties tics in this thiN state Morris 1 Morris Yes Lawrence What Lawrence What in your opinion could be he accomplished b by tho the establishment of a a. railroad Morris Morris t I dont don't think It would do any good Lawrence You Lawrence You think khen then hen that lint a a. maximum tariff would be better Morris Morris Yes I r do do Lawrence What Lawrence What Is tho the real reason for a coal shortage iIO ron l Morris One One pf It f lie reasons is that ho tho Union Pacific Coal company wants to o get out of or the local market markot lossl- lossl bb because they can get more moro mone money for or or coal elsewhere Lawrence If Lawrence If the Union Pacific from the local market would there here be enough enough coal h coal from rain Utah mines mineso to o supply the time demand Morris Yes Morris Yes if Ir none nono of It was sent outside the state S Lawrence II vo you ou any In idea how much nuch goes outside time the state Morris Morris Morris-I I think about half haJt Lawrence In Lawrence In your years years' c. c experience has lias the coal market varied In iii n price Morris It Morris It has been reduced 25 cents That was two years ears ago Lawrence Lawrence How Lawrence How does the tho cons con mp- mp lon lion of oC four or 01 11 0 years ago aso compare com com- pare are with today Morris It Morris It has moro more than doubled Lawrence What Lawrence What Is the condition of f the Rio Grandc's Granile's equipment How oos it compare comparo with four foul or em five years ears cars ago Morris It Morris It is a great deal worse vorse I Lawrence Lawrence Lawrence-Is la the Rio Grande tak- tak I inE ng lag equipment from flom this division dl and i using sing it elsewhere Morris Not Morris Not more than the tho na natural ural movement of or rolling stock stoel requires Laurence lIon Lawrence How do you OU order your oal coal Morris Morris So So maJ many cars a a. week They notify us by card hon the lie shipment leaves eaves the mine and we wo get et It Inthe in inthe the he course COUlSO of or three or 01 four Cour our days Lawrence Is Lawrence Is It truo true that tho the road mal makes lakes s unnecessary delays by sidetracking side- side tracking racking coal Morris No Morris No the they do er e everything in their power to get coal to us Tolton How flow How much coal has the Utah Fuel sent you OU in a acar acar car Mr 11 Morris presented tho thin following ln lable able showing number of cars Month L Ordered Delivered January d f 50 50 O 51 fil 60 50 o 30 larch arch o. o to 10 IG 16 t 80 30 io 12 lay la 0 p 1 15 j Juno uno f f 30 30 10 r 10 40 s I. I 8 JUly e t August t 0 m r. r Q b. I 18 S t 30 13 No em November el 30 30 24 December 30 19 10 Tolton Is Totton-Is Is there any discrimination lon tion More Discrimination Morris l Morris is the the only firm rm in Salt Lake Lako able to get slack No other company can get it Tolton Tolton Why Why Morris I Morris I dont don't know Robinson Do Robinson Do you think a a. rate could be 10 established so 50 that it would bo be equal from the two points of or shipping ship thip- ping pins Morris Morris Morris-I I think so The Rio Grande could haul for less than titan Johnson Johnson have Have the ml made any agreement as as to a a. fixed rate rato Morris I Morris I dont don't know Imo Robinson Do Do you order moro more than you actually require Morris Morris Morris-In In 1906 I tried to get et tons ons of storage and got less Jess than Lawrence Lawrence Are Are you familiar Camillar with he tIme contract et mado made by tho the Rio Grando Grandc and Utah Fuel company with the southern Pac Pacific ne relating to the tIme dellery dc- dc livery ivery of coal to the S. S P. P two or three years ago Morris Morris No No NoNo No Ice Competition Xo No Agreement Is Robinson Is there thore any competition between local retail dealers Morris Morris orris 1 No Robi Robinson Why Why Is there re an agreement agree asree ment S Morris No is No Just Juit Just a gentleman's agre agreement 1 Walter alter B D. Sprague formerly with the D. D J. J Sharp Coal company compan testified ned fled to practically the s same ame facts as Mr 11 Morris MOllI Ho He said sall that if Ir a maximum maximum maxi maxi- mum tariff could bo be adjusted to the condition of tho the roads it might bo ho beneficial Up Hp said that tho tIme physical difference In iii tho the two roads probably ably resulted in the high freight rates on tho the Rio Grande Grando c Robert of tho ho Coal company testified that ho he was familiar with lie tho coal coul shortage question but hut never ne heard of a n railroad commission until the question was as put hut to him by ly Senator Lawrence Laurence He lie said he ho had boon oon away avay for several months month Tho The cause of tho the shortage e. e he said lId was vas due lime to the time great prosperity of the country and It watt WaR general Jeneral Salt Lake being only one ono place In man many that was affected af at- by ly the tho industrial advance that Vas was greater oater than th tho h production of the time mines Ho said the tho management of the Union Pacific was t bo so o far su- su to that of oC tho time Rio Grande that the tho Union Pacific has given I en better belter ser sor- vice ice lIe He pointed to tho tim scarcity of ofen en engines on on- the Rio Grande and said Mid that after a haul of oC miles or BO so BOtho tho time Rio Grando Gruno used to put an engine Ine In the shop for or twenty four hours but could not tb do clo that now Lawrence What Lawrence What in your opinion would be the advantage of a lL railroad commission Marsh Marsh Marsh-I 1 ca cant can't t see sec the tho benefit of ot it H. Railroads Make Maximum Lawrence How Lawrence How about a maximum tariff Marsh Thero is one now It is made b by tho the roads loads subject to alteration altera- altera lion tion but hut has hatS remained permanent for fora or ora a il long hong time Johnson Do Johnson Do you think tho ho rate rato from Castle GaUe Gate Is lis too ht high h Marsh Marsh Marsh-It It Is quite evident that the rate rato should bo be much lo loss Tho The rate on the tho Union Pacific from DIamond DIamond- yule to and to Montpelier I. I Is the mme for th the both hoth places Lawrence What Lawrence What do you think of or orthe the statement that the Union Pacific wants to wIthdraw from Crom tho the local marI market market mar mar- ket kot Marsh Marsh Marsh-l I think If the time rate wax was und uner un- un I d er r tho the Union Pacific would have havo to withdraw no Robinson Robinson how Ilow How docs 1005 it happen there is no competition Maish t l I think there hero is Th There le are arc seven en yards here Ro Robinson Robinson But But t rc Is no difference difference differ lifer ence In price Maish Marsh so No o dealer is allowed to lower lower low low- er 01 tho time price Lawrence Lawrence-It Lawrence Lawrence-If If ho did ho lie could not get deliveries Marsh Whenever Marsh Whenever there thelo Is friction in a fl community the matter is Immediately Imme tal taken Cn up UI with tho the and arid they wont won't let a dea dealer r sell at an price They think that when a 8 dealer sells at a a. low price it ultimately affects their own oun pi prices ices Do Lawrence Do you ou kumo know anything anything- of th the contract the Rio Granle and Utah Fuel had with tho the Southern Pacific Pacific Pacific Pa Pa- to deliver I coal at Ogden a few years ago Marsh I Marsh I heard something about that The Utah Fuel mado made a contract to deliver tons a day at the tho rate o of 98 OS cents a ton ton that that was wa the freight rate rate delivered at O Ogden Lawrence That Lawrence That was was no not t delivered at a loss was 11 Jt I Marsh Marsh No Lawrence Lawrence TIme The Union Pacific took that contract away didn't it Marsh l Yes But nut I dont don't know lwow whether It was in competition or 01 to re relieve relieve re- re lieve tho the Utah Fuel Rate a Bluff Lawrence Did Lawrance-Did Did you ou tako take ad advantage age of or tho time storage rate late last Maish Yes Marsh Yes I un Immediately in ed lately ordered tons tons and got Jot only three cars all allS S summer slimmer U m or When tho time dealer denier tried to give gl the lie public the tile benefit tho the c company com cOin m- m puny pany mado made it uncomfortable for or him did it not Marsh Time Marsh Tho stora storage o rato rate was i given under conditions and at the time end of nf the period of the tIme rate rata bills were tendered rendered for adjustment No ono one was entitled to lo a a. refund m until the lie settlement was made Robinson Do on Do you ou know of that could cOUll bo ho enacted Marsh The Marsh Tho only thing thill I can suggest mug sug gost gest is that this committee see soe the tho traffic rattle managers of or the roads and the producers er If tho managers can reduce the rate to 1 51 50 GO the producers producers |
