Show 5 W ednesday Morning Issued Tbe Arms Debates Aid Prestige Of Senators verj morning bj Salt lsks Tribuna Publishing Company a member or the Associated Prase The Associated Press Is exclusively entitled to the The Tribune otherwise credited In this paper and also reproduction ot all news dispatches ctedited to It or notherein the local pews published Banks and Stores Cooperating Secretary Henry A Wallace of the federal department of agnuiltuie who approved and recommended a plan for the distribution of surplus faim pioducls thiough regular trade channels instead of central stoiage depots now utilized throughout the nation has letenlly in eluded Salt Lake county in the piogiam Whereas benefiuanes of the present system aie allotted a ceitain poition of the neeessities on hand when applications aie made for which it is necessary to send or go in person to obtain and carry home In any way available those who qualify henceforth for assistance will stamps with which to make purchases from retail food merchants at the usual places of trade Stamps aie to be Issued by the government In two colors— orange and blue— each having a purchasing value of 25 cents WPA workeis and all who are certified by the wclfaie board as eligible for such transactions may buy from one to one and a half dollars’ worth of orange stamps every week for each member of the family Such stamps will be good for purchases Of icgulation food essentials but not for tobacco or liquor For cveiy two oiange coloied stamps bought a blue stamp will be given the buyer without extra ehaige these to be good at any retail food store for the purchase of food commodities designated by the secrctaiy as surplus pioducts The funds with which these blue stamps aie to be obtained will be issued in lieu of goods wares and meichandise now- dispensed at the central depository Edibles currently designated as surpluses include lard butter cornmeal fresh pears snap beans shell eggs dried prunes raisins wheat and whole wheat flour fresh apples mature onions and diy beans This airangement will take the place of the duect distribution of commodities heie and wherever else the food stamp plan becomes established and operative It has met approval of the state and county welfare commissions and the tentative acAdminquiescence of the local bankers istrator Claude B Hodges of the federal surplus commodities corporation will have general supervision of the food stamp plan in this community and will explain the plan in detail to members of the Utah Re tail Grocers’ association and representatives of various mercantile institutions in meetings called for that puipose The principal results will be an Increased better balanced diet and gi eater convenience for beneficial les a larger volume of business for the retail food merchants which customers having stamps will be able to patronize and increased sale of surplus commodities by the farmers without detrimental effect on the noimal channels of trade One of the most iiomcal appeals made to the Bntisli public dunng this war of avowed vengeance for humiliations at Vei sallies 20 yeais ago is the call of Lloyd Geoige for a conference of peace forces in the Bntish empire It has been announced that he will plead for favorable eonsideiation of der fuehier’s proposals which no one else not even our American congress seems to take seriously P will be recalled that the harsh terms of the Vet sallies tieaty were the pioducts of two inflamed minds— that of Clemen-ceaand that of Lloyd George The tone of Woodrow Wilson was lost in the raucous Snails of this biace of gloating statesmen his ‘Tout teen points” of settlement vveie mdely rejected and their author was physically assaulted in the peace conference by "the Tiger of France” Having Involved his country in a series of embarrassing predicaments by reason of his policy the foimer premier of Gieat Bntain would have his government give heed to the nazi communist combination trying to overthiow it When Neville Chamberlain made one concession after another when he swallowed his pude and patriotic misgivings at Munich no one in all the woild not even in Prague was so bitter in denunciation of "the appstle of appeasement” as was Lloyd George In October of last year this waitime piime minister of Gieat Britain the tieaty maker at Vcisailles this piesent day pacifist Lloyd George criticised "Chamberlain's pathetic crawl to the nazi dictator” for the pusillanimous purpose of making "peace with a treaty breaker which is no ” pca( e at all a thrill of irlief when we leal-Izefelt “We we weie to be tempoiarily spared the hoiror of war” he said in a public addiess "But that relief is now sufin London fused with a sense of shame that we purchased peace at the price of shame and suf-feie- u - honor have forfeited honor and lost the respect of the world and what is worse our t In the end there will be no peace We will be in war and without friends” With a population of 490000000 on a teiritoiial area of 13290634 square miles embracing a variety of races religions and rebellious tubes one cannot blow hot and cold or change the national policy every October without causing moie or self-icsp- less confusion New York Highlights By B Driscoll NEW YORK — Paul Christian Philadelphia business man who comes trom Virginia and still speaks the Virginia speech was telling me a stoiv that did something to me at His little son lunch in Court had a devoted cocker spaniel Timmie The lad was celebrating his fifth birthday when a truck driver unseen by the family tan over and killed Tirnnue The boy learned of his little fi lends death when he ‘chanced to go out on the lawn 1 here the driver had laid the little body down The family s big Irish setter Nhaun was sitting mournfully beside his friend It had been Courts first day at school Timmie had been lonesome for his little playmate and had iuh out into the street as he was not accustomed to do That birthday and first day at school ended sadly Shaun mourned beside his little pals Nobod v hut Hie master could touch body It Ever since he keeps from time to lime Mavbe Shaun a lonely vigil at the spot doesn t know about life and death But he knows that Ins plavmate'is ciuellv taken away from him and his great heait is broken International Relations Discussed in Salt Lake Today Under the auspices of the Salt Lake distnet federation of women's clubs an e institute will be held today at the hotel for the purpose of discussing International relations Programs aie to be presented in both morning and after noon sessions with addi esses by well known students of the subjects announced After an explanation of the scope and object of the institute by Mrs W R McQuil-kechanman of the section the Rev If Walker of the First Methodist church will deliver an addicss on “woild New-hous- d citizenship” Other spcakcis dunng the forenoon session will be Glen Kilpatrick of the West high school who will picsent his views on the state department in formulating a foreign policy Mrs Bui ton W Musser an authority on our Pan American neighborliness who will give the of her observations William R Wallace and Eric W Ryberg both of whom returned recently from touiing Europe will relate experiences and desenbe conditions abroad as they appeared to impartial eyes In the afternoon session Ames K Bag ley of the inner rnuncil of the United States lunior chamber of commerce will review the piesent crisis from the vantage point of young Amei leans Dr Fiedeilc W Ganert of the Umveisity of Utah will explain the intricacies and difficulties of neutrality Mis Hugh Waid will outline “what women can do about it” and music will be furnished by Mr and Mis Rudolph ie-su- Dad's Stylo Spot-jotting- Ilarrv F O Neill cartoon- ist who has been ill in hospital is back at His son Harry 17 Is an his drawing board ait student (haws in his dads stvle and T he fire that helps with the lettering burned for two (lavs in the rums of old 1 levator A one of the biggest slructuies on the Manhattan waleifiont didn t do a good lob The film that started the wrecking last Mav is still at it and the buildings exterior walls 3 he are only about half demolished glooniv shell of the old Army and Navy club on 41th sheet continues year alter year Next door the dignified Bar unoccupied assoc lalion in building is spic Governor Lehman and marked contiast Mavor LnCunidia me as different as two office-holdecould he Lehman dignified aloof conservative in appearance and speech Latuardia always willing to clown it if the sit unt ion seems to demand The mayor often speaks explosively without manuscript in public He dresses without apparent thought to tus lothes but likes to pose for the nun ics and-span Heinke The subjects to be discussed have long occupied the minds of diplomats and statesmen and gontinue to be matteis of disDefinite foreign policies ran he sension formulated and maintained moie easily by dictators or autociats whose words aie final in icferenee to government plans e but In a democracy where cveiy legislator editor author and coriespondent has an opinion and an oppoitunily to expiess It there Is sure to be delay in reac hlng a decision This very weakness in the administration of popular government at a time of International turbulence is the strength of a democracy in a pei lod of peace In the scramble to avoid entanglements and evade potential aggiessois citizens of a rierrfoeratir government ate as apt to be stampeded by alien decoys as by armed Charles Tough Touch Katharine Cornell aclrs Is one of the most exac ting of suhec ts for n lc at cue $nvs Alex Gaid with whom I talked about sCuh things recently (lard did her m line with a little color and everything seemed all right After the picture went up on the wall at Satdl s icslauianl Miss Cornell objected to it Made her look tough she said (lard anxious to please took clown the caiieature eiased the cigaict with which he had drawn her "Jliere that okeh'1 said the actress It was the cignret apparently that made her look tough to her own eves She far from g a lady as everyone who has seen her knows c lough-lookin- I I By Ernest Lincuby There is for example the case Warren R Austin of Verd mont a Republican with a bumbling manner which has caused his powers to he underestimated His distrust of and dislike for the president is a strong as any man s Yet he has frrnv convictions as to the division of governmental povvprs under the constitution 'He is not repeal of the arms embargo at the White House conference on neutrality he also boldly stated that in his opinion the constitution lodged broad discretionary powers over foreign affairs in the piesidenev and urged the president to insist on these powers For a man in Austins position that called for coinage and a for party striking dixiegard spirit '1 ho stand of Senator Rob-e- it A 'Jaft of Ohio while less clear-cu- t and dramatic shows the samp qualities On the other side Bennett Champ Clark of Missouri is one" of those who have increased their stature Not long ago he was an energetic candidate for Jtre Democratic nomination in 1910 Probably because some well meaning hut mistaken friends of his foolishly intervened the White House got the idea in its head that Claik was willing to sacrifice his independence in order to procure the piesidents approval of his candidacy If such was his desire he could have had no better opportunity than the arms embargo fight for he was one of the authors of the neutrality act and would have been a most welcome lecruit for the repeal-ist- s But Clark it is now proved is constitutionally independent He had views of his own largely diavvn from the famous munitions inquiry and he stuck grimly by them expounding them with real force jjf v s 1 -- Vandenberg’s Stock Up Then there is Arthur H of Michigan the Republican antirepeal leader His stand was to he expected but his stock has been sent handsomely up by his remaikable speech in the senate It was marred as usual by Vanden-ber- g s inability to resist pompous and meretricious Lnghsh but its reasoning was so dose and its orgahuation so impressive as to make it by far the best in the debate Among the Democratic repeal-lst- s Senator James F Byrnes of South Carolina has demonstrated the great talents as a legislative leader which everyone knew he had Old Cniter Glass and Y’oung Hairy Bvrd the solemn Josiah W Bailey and the embittered Walter F George have stirringly struck hands with the president whom they detest who once tried to destroy them And so it goes Demonstrates System Indeed except that most have been unwilling to speak their minds with impolitic frankness the embargo fight finely demonstrated our system It has had its picturesque aspects and its for what drnmntiu moments could be moie picturesque than William E Boinh and Hu am Johnson responding to a vaguely heard alatm like a team of ancient but faithful Or what more dramatic than the speei h of the aged George Norns last of the little band who dared to vote against our entry into the last war who now forgets his old pacifism in ’his hatred of the new barbarity ” And the fight has kjad its squalid incidents and its unpleasant sides 'i lie senator who tin ice indorsed emhaigo repeal and then yielded to the peevish distrust of the president which Austin mastered doe no uedit to the congress Neither do the senators whom the mail has dtiven onto the fence Neither does the outward foirn of the battle for the doings of eongtess are always externally shabby and unimpressive But these aie petty matte is which do not change the central fail -- that when congress must face a gical Issue the legidative process work admirably well fire-hoise- il b The 'Continental Security' Star wine w The immediate purpose is to keep p jorvice north and south shipping lanes of the west? conditionii make the hemisphere free of hostile activities by r Amencan belligerent nations The bw f Boston thi across the meaning of the declaration is set forth 1 jnvstical statement the made in I the quentlv by ziltan delegation in subscribing to the Deri f area con” America Panama: of ration "Continental security against overseas ij The e ’scientific gression must be obtained on sounder bain dimate ai "It is on the seas that surround mjJ lies the future fate of our sovereignties b I 10 survey cause the protection of American soil wills uedge-shbe possible as in the past without tt I cf which crusted 01 security of the surrounding seas “To the defense of the continental terr I joint the torial integrity we must add therefore u inland an inseparable part of an American polit f date dej Maim the v hole the security of continental water This does not mean that British 1 ) stales ex The French armed ships rannot come into p 160 dogs of their colonies in Latin America Ink Tom pap at present both armed surface ships and n houses I marines can enter the ports of neutral ju $350 000 But under tr tions in this hemisphere hope for Declaration of Panama they will be forbdl appropria to engage in hostile activities in the wa’c ties to ca of the security belt o' three What happens if a belligerent nation lates the Declaration of Panama’ T Latest In American Republics mav then consult as Byrd r steps to be taken They may also pati ’with the individually or collectively the entire secur Mn the ie belt Fach retains always the right to U "Mav 194 any individual action which mav seem net opei sary for the protection of its own sovereigr 'mg w armor ‘ hard-shelle- ( In Some confusion is to be expected at meaning and practical effects of Foi tion of Panama proclaiming a belt tral water around the entire West“m Hi I h I sphere south of Canada B0STC British officials are quoted as -bc lStorya “novel” idea without sanction calling m national law and unacceptable to them ' lor bat r $ comment may be based partly on ' Vally rich tion for the security belt may h 0 tt t f centur lateral benefit to the British An piates the Biitish “accept” the security is not a matter of great moment The - Of Vcond gov Doctrine is not "accepted m any M01” cull set ou sense by a great many nations but w ' iral Rich come to be observed bv all of th— “M n the last The Declaration of Panama is a I epddmn' °' of the Monroe Doctrine It is so S ghts "novel" that it was suggested by ThU I j Delayed Jefferson more than r century and now hopes ago even before the Monroe Doctrin” j reachini ai i arbors promulgated ®hfa Jefferson wanted to go even farther F making the midatlantic the dividing V c organizing n between a countries” old world Lh peaceful new world He envisioned the fil't First of of the United States and Brazil jointly! ’drganizatic stallation c trolling the western Atlantic During war I six Latin American nations incC Diesel mot the three largest put forward or gUppor purchased proposals containing the security belt 14 eral govei Now all 21 American republics have i ll(00-Mscribed to the Declaration of Panama of ” He concluded bv saying that In submit- ting to the peace teims of a dictator "we wL ju-p- Austin Shows Mettle d 11 Ocean Safety fjgi t i Confusing jjD Lindley Observes Gn Orr WASHINGTON — In a big legislative fight the play of personality is always absorbing This man shows himself to be shuffling and weak That one is earnest but lamentably muddle-heade- d Another proves surprisand shrewd ing determined When the fight ends the stock of most of the chief combatants has always risen or fallen on the mysterious but important bouise of capitol opinion The great baltie over the arms alf-way embargo is only Ihrough Yet it has already proved exceptional in that it khdx shown the majority of senators in a creditable light The sincerity and honest purpose of the leaders on both sides cannot he questioned Although feeling is running high and there is bitterness in the air both sides are thinking first of the country’s welfare and second of polities Anyone who listens to the talk in the senate corridors must come to this conclusion however distressing he may find the windiness of senate oratory or however pointless he may think some of the arguments Calls Council for Compromise e Ray-mon- 1039 Lloyd George for Peace f By By forces Ability to discriminate between logical fi lends and natural enemies Is often confused by apprehension and propaganda One safe rule to follow is to note where applause for any policy is loudest Food Stamp System Assured le-ie- 11 Dry Your Eyes and Watch Your Step Joseph Alsop and Robert Kintner 1 Use tor Salt Lake City Utah Wednesday Mommy October October Salt £akc Tribune e B a 1 THE PUBLIC FORUM - - - by Our Readers Sees ’Old Timer’ Story Of Financing as Mild Sets Forth Lessons Forum Rules Of Depression this column Letters anpeartut do not expiess tht views of Tht Tbev aie the opinions of Tribune contributors with whkh The Tribune mav or mav not agree The following rules govern contributions 1 Letters limited to 20 words and preferencs given to short corn mnnlcatfnns 2 Write lerlblv and eiearlv on one side of the da Der only 3 Religious and racial discussions of a deroeatorv or sectarian nature are barred Partisan or per-sncannot be DOlltlcaJ comment printed 4 Personal aspersions prohibited 5 not Poetical contributions tn Editor Tribune: Some weeks since in one of his almost "Believe It or jx'ot” stones Old Timer of 20 Mule Team fame told of some public building in Utah that was to cost $88 000 (Think that was the amount ) By the time it was paid it cost one million Think he believed he had topped the topper of all outlandish financing and paying off Doubt if any one believed him If they did not it should he easy if you furnish space for the following In 1894 our own city and county building was erected Eventually the county side was paid The city side cost $800 000 To date figure interest as a hanker would it has cost about 811000 000 or about 14 times the principal and still costing nearly $J0l)0 per month to live wa ted ft Letters mav he barred for obvious misstatements of fact or for statement which are not In accord si'ti falf ntav and cood taste 7 The Forum Is not an advertising medium and cannot be used for advertising nurposes ft Writers must sten true names nd addresses In Ink Letters will be carried over assumed name If writer so reouests In all esses however true name and address must be attached to communication f The Forum cannot consider more than one letfer from the same wrur at one time 10 The Tribune cannot accent letters for publication which bear libelous or actionable remarka entailin' Joint legal responsibility in On the principle $21000 was paid That happened fhusly After they had received five per cent Intel est for 20 years it was then refunded (refunding officials call paving) for another 20 years at the surprising reduction of interest from five per cent to 4L per cent— a hard won cut of The bondholders were so overjoyed feeling sure that at the end of the second 20 years nothing would be paid they gave a bonus of $25 000 That $25000 our ntv dads applied on the principle— "Believe It or Not” — Our city dabt now is between and 19 million dollars about eight times that of the state after all its bunglings One might not be surprised to hear the last straggler of the third and last resur lection say “Well Salt Lake City is still being taxed for interest etc Guess we ought to be glad that we died when ” 17 we did Reading the foregoing “Old Timer’ might he to himself heard to sav: “Well Salt Lake City sure has ’em all skinned on financing ” J — Senator From Sandpit It is to liv e twice w hen w e can enjoy the leeollections of our former life —Martial Two Holy Terrors Hold a Reunion “Well well it certainly is gieat to get together again after all these years You old How aie you nnv how " 'swell Just swell Gosh it's sure gieat to lie with you again too You look about the same as you did 20 yeais ago when we got sw ached and stole a street car Remember'’" Bov I’ll say I remember And do von remember the night we took the lid off the seismograph and blew on the needle and the next morning the prof reported an earthquake in Colotado? We sure were holy terrors'” Yes and 1 11 never foiget that night we took a stiff out of the tank In the medical building and chewed him up and sat him at the piano in the nmxic room e sure didn t slop at anything " hell-raise’ ‘ "111 sav we didn t And say do vou i eniember the night we didn t like the show at the and climbed tip on the stage to stop it ’ axn t that a riot never foiget the wallop you gave the cop who swung at you with his club ” 'Ics and vvnxnt the old man sore when he had to eoineedown at o loc k in the morning and hail me out of the hoosegow “Yessir we sure were demons Mi we could gc t together ngRin like that What aie you doing this afternoon'’’ ’Well m sot r v old man hut I picmused the wife Id go with h' r in t r on a suit she picked out foi me And vou know how he if i ciiein t sere siu keep my woid indeed thered he the devil to pav Any how 1 ve gotta tend the kids while my wife in ’III ‘ 1 c 1 v c 'h A Ress —By Ham Park makes a political speech so we wouldnt have much time at that Editor Tribune: We are now about to celebrate the tenth anniversary of the stork market crash and then to embark upon the second decade since history s greatest depression What lessons have the first 10 years taught us’ 1 That world wars rost more than they pay We entered the great war not for the sake of ideals or the preservation of our western civilization hut to help Bntain and France keep their hold on the markets of the world They were good customers of ours We loaned them money and gave them blood For 10 years after the war we did well The next 10 years saw not only decline in' our commerce but the foundations of our own civilization tot- 4er and almost fall T hat 2 America has been and still is out of balance economically Unemployment has been at its greatest Strenuous effoit has been made to put back to work our employables But they aie not yet working We have produced food clothing and luxury goods far beyond our need Yet millions of people yes most people do not know the meaning of adequacy Not even today 1979 3 That the stock market is a poor stabilizer America's great wealth is her power to produce goods Her poverty is her utterly insensible ability to enjoy the fruits of her production Our sense of security and well being seem tied to the stock ticker Yet the real sinews of our security he in our power to produce commodities and consume ’ Tuition tuxedo and hooks -Educations expensive at least Bunk account worse than it looks Ci edit defunct and deceased Upward the debit side climbs Expenses are always increased— Prom tickets corsages and fines — Education’s expensive at least Note on the (Tiff Department Can’t give credit to the original source of the following because I don t know it But it was in a trade publication Oscar ll sent me and I got a lough out of it The Man- - “I want a loaf of Mumsie's Bread a package of Krunc hies some Goody Sanny Spread Ole Mammy s Lasses Orange Pullv a pound of Aunt Annie Bitsey-Bit- e sugar candy ” Gro-she- The Clerk' No “Sorry How about Krinkly Onlsie-Toaslie- s Hrcelets Maltv-Wheati- or es Latum-- hentur is’ The Man' "The Eat then ” The Clerk: “Anything else’ Tootsies Tatery Chips Cheesie Weesies Bits Ginglle Itsey Cakes Sweet sir T oof urns or Dramma s Doughnies’”’ The Man (toddling toward the meat department): “Dotta det some meat " ’ 4 America has learned- no fundamental lessons from the depression We are flirting with war in the interest of profit We are uncharitable to the needs of the unemployed We still allow bumper crops to spell bankruptcy and at the same time toleiate the evil effects of underconsumption We are not better people morally because of the last 10 We are more years’ depression selfish more ready to graft more ready to offend friendship in the interest of gain With such rosls would that we might have learned something Warwick C Lamoreaux The State of The Nation By Olin Miller Among other casualties of war Cupid has suffered a body-hlobelow Ihe hell A young woman of Watei town N Y who had scheduled a trip to Ireland to get married (line was denied a passport by the state depai tment which ruled in this case "Marriage Is not ’’to he construed as an emergent y Win n a young woman is in love and cant eat sleep think or talk coherently the only cure for this deplorable condition is man Inge If such a Rtatc doesn t constitute an y then we wouldnt know an emergency if we should meet one In Ihe middle of the big road Squire I’eikins fans "A lot o’ folks wont jure th' chinch because there hvporrits In it — they slay on th’ outside whrie there s lot s rno' hypoc nls " ls emer-Kenc- Here s something that stumped Iou Larsen apd also has got me dem n How would you complete this sentence: In "There are three the English language ” The three words refeired to are to too two Would you say “three 2i?” 1 Specific Problems I All kinds of specific problems will ar until the Mochai latest e just as they have arisen under the Monrt airplanes Doctrine When the doctrine was proclaim a giant we lacked the power to enforce it In feet wide number of cases we did not even try Mr huge enforce it airplane There Is no doubt about the ability oft ’ escort v 21 republics of the western hemisphere Chicago enforce the Declaration of Panama agair Mays m the mac persistent offenders No one should jump the conclusion that it will be necessary! j Statist have the impressive kind of naval patrol quite a around the western hemisphere that There Atlant on ham already been set up off our eastern shore In the fust place there are urn mittens s gned h steps short of naval action which to One would be to deny the j Two n fending power the use of neutral ports lightwei the western hemispheie Theie are all km has and of economic penalties that could be appue blues g Even the Germans are not beyond the res Alreac of economic penalties For example some ii 'pounds I tt in of their merchant ships are interned pork— e i rto of the western hemisphere family c' In the second place the greater danger thousan American interference with shipping in Caw the tors lies irsthe noith Atlantic and bean During World war I there waspra tically no submarine activity off the Airf tan coast south of Cape Hatteras althot we early in the war German surface raider active off Chile and Argentina 1 1 h 0 c Register and Tribune Syndic ate goods size Krunc hic’s Krrsps v Distributed by Lsqune Inc icJtuies Christopher Billopp Says: School Days icboo that the children are back at order to outline bueflv the fund® of parents If the parents are to do pait they should: Equip themselves to solve problems arithmetic algebra trigonometry an“ etry answer questions on the geograpn the world and the history 6f Bntl modem times and to distinguish Inst an adverbial phrase fiom a subjunc clause Set up a stationery depai tment to pense paper pens ink pencils erasers notebooks paste and colored ra'nnsjBl0 lllustr designate magazines from which be mav cut Organize a transportation depar ((insisting of fully staffed mechanize to haul the children back and foi make mutual assistance pads with their1 port at ion departments of other I stablish a bureau of food '((I’P' stocked with peanut butter jnm c spread paper napkins waxed paper slices of cake and fruit for the prep of dainty lunrhes Take courses in act ns mediators between the belligerent teachers f p Set aside several hours a (p connection pi performance of duties in parent-tenchassociation in th sno their work on committees will the repents on the childien of Prepare a list of the names from whom in an emergency s may be borrowed when the thildr to Vuing the right books home Convert the home into a such lng the evening hours distrc suppressing conversation Now it is in fU er tlOllS cnpll Be available at all times to hear he Irregular Latin vcibs and spcci nr to he deliverer before the class There is sotne question ns n °hut modern schools educate ihilr In at all as to their ovei whelming educating the parents 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