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Show DAILY PAGE TWO. UTAH STATE TUESDAY, JULY JOURNAL, your religion first and the United Slates government afterwards. Is that penditures, and he gives only what he so? LAW BREAKER A. Thai is your view, not ours. We fivlx like giving. hold that there ought not to be any Equivocation Exposed. When the law was decided to conflict. 'iin a man who refuen to pay he constitutional by the supreme court CHURCH Ills tithes remain In good fellowship In of the Fritted States. President Woodthe church? the will of the Lord and nd ruff sought A. lie would not be In good And this announced the manifesto. communl respected fellowship In the we have sought to do to the best ct ly If he did not pay tithe and oilier our ability-(j- . the churcn. contrihutloiiM to sustain That might answer If no polygPOLYGAMIST APOSTLE ON AF any more tluui a man would be In full amous marriage had been entered Into FAIR8 IN UTAH. fraternity In some order who refused aJnce the manifesto, but It Is openly to carry his share of the mutual bur-de- n. a fact that very many such marriages have been entered Into since the maniPut on Various Pointed Question I Q. Then your statement that he festo. and are still being entered Into Church Matters and Evasive or Is merely not required to pay tllhlng from time to time. Is that not directly 8quirming Replies Made. a fat in of speech, an evasion ? the government at defiance? setting an Is .V Well, we do not think It A. You appear to know more about answer. No correct Is a that evasion; It than I da If you know all these (From the Balt Lake Tribune.) Iitniiie ill the world are ss free aa the things, and if you are a good cltlxen, Mr. Irving Bay ford of the Los An- Latter-da- y Faints. There Is no do you not bring a prosecution used in the church. A man is why geles Times, who lias been making inthe offenders? It Is a strange against not does he If quiry into the conditions in Utah for entirely thing that so many people know of and him Is between It liny his tithing. plural marriages, and yet none of them that paper, sends an interview to his Cud. sad he Is denied the blessings ate in In willing to'test their knowledge by man a authority who with those to high pay paper which (Sot) promises making any attempt at prosecution. the church, who give the church's Just tithes. (J. Does it not occur to you that 11 q. The president uf the Mormon Is the Mlde in relation to various questions. place of the church to see that on earth Is the church representative seMr. Snyford mude several efforts to offenders in the church are punished? off cuts the from he then of (lod; A. The church has nothing to do cure an Interview with the hierarch, kingdom of God," as a penalty, the with It. The church does not know ol not result. his has who payman hut without kept up sny such cases; If any have occurred. While no name is given in the Inter- ments? A. No: the delinquent cuts himself It hna been entirely without Its review cited, for the reason, as stated by off. It Is the command of God You cannot expect Ihe that he sponsibility. his story, Mr. Sayford in the leud of to church take up all the scandals and of shall into the apthe be pay to custody the iwrson who talked is known the falsehoods of perse-tutomalicious one-teninof all his official, Jawpointed a polygamist apostle, a notorious of the church and act upon such and certain blessings are promin nine, therefore, stands, who and breaker, The ised to hint upon condition of hU silly stories against its own tried and high favor with the hierarch. obedience. If he falls, he cuts himself true members, who are living lives ol follows: story of Mr. Sayford off from those blessings, and ought not perfect purity. A Clever Casuist Ths Shams of Utah. The heud of the Mormon churcn to rialm any part of the eternal glory Do you know of any case where which Is promised to those who are I Q. in to hiding, keep having preferred obedient. ina plural wife has been taken since the sought out the next best available Q. Then you draw a Ane distinction manifesto ? loin man of a authority, high formant, A. No; do you? and reured in the Mormon church, and between God's command and the Q. Yea And I have excellent reacompulsion? requested of him an interview whicn church's A. As I have said, the church uses son to believe that there is hardly a should present the church's aide In reno compulsion: we do not like the Mormon settlement in the state of lation to varloua questions. too much talk Utah where cases of recent polygamy word. "Why do you not go to President In recentThere has been times about the force that the are not to be found. BmlthT' he asked. A. If you know that, you know "I have," was my reply, "and beeu hurch uses to keep Its members in line, while again and nguln our leaders something that is not so. We are in a refused." "Then," said he, "I am afraid I can have teatlAed to all the world that position to know more about this matthere are no people on earth as free as ter than you, and we declare that this do nothing for you." is utterly untrue. Saints There has never We discussed the point at length, the I jtter-da- y been a case of plural marriage since "Revere the Flag." until Anally he consented to the interQ. Does the Mormon church and the manifesto with any sanction of tne view with three provisos: First, that a stenographer be present; second, does Its presidency desire to have the church. Q. Why do you take tithes of your that the right should be hie to revise confldence of the United States govthe transcribed Interview before pub- ernment and of the people of the Uni- people throughout their active life, and then allow some of them. In old lication; third, that I would under no ted Statea? A. Yes; that is one of the strongest age nnd decrepitude, to languish and circumstances reveal hla name. To all e, a county Instituof which I agreed. The protecting of feelings that we entertain. Our people die In the takee nothing are patriotic and devoted to the coun- tion? my authority's name A. We pay heavy taxes In this state from the authenticity of his answers; try, more than any other people In the they are so essentially and distinctive- lTntted States. We revere the Aag, and It certainly would not be fair for ly Mormon thnt I venture so aay the we wnnt to live on terms of amity and the Mormons to pay their full share hierarch himself will applaud them. confldence with the government, and of the taxes and receive no benefit from the expenditure for the poor. As As the interview In full covers folly with our fellow-citizethat Latter-da- y odd typewritten pages, only the moat Q. If all that la true, why have the to the suggestion In poor-hou,1 do nut die Saints used: the can of be In here men it church the Important parts highest persistently Question What la the reply of the and notoriously broken faith with the know of any such cases; none 'has Mormon church .today to the charge of government, and why do they today been brought to my attention. Q. Are not your enormous tithiiia nefarious commercialisation, brought live In open violation of the lawa which they have repeatedly covenauteu funds abundant to care for the needy by Gp tiles? Answer That is a part of the gen- to keep and obey? I have reference, or and Improvident In your church? A. As I have stated, there are many eral persecution to which this church course, to polygamy and polygamous other purposes to which the tithe must has always been subjected. There la practice. no such thing aa commercialisation of A. There has been no violation of be devoted. It would not be fair nor It Is another strong would it have a good effect on the dethe church; the church does not en- the covenants. cause of coinplulnl. which we Justly velopment of human nature for tho gage In commerce. Giant Tithing Fund. have, that the enemies of the truth church to take the sole responsibility Q. How do you account for the taut are constantly saying that the leaders of providing for every one's needs as that a large percentage of the tithing of the church have broken faith with soon as he should cease to be able to annually received by the church la m the government At the time of the produce, or as soon as he should think manifesto on plural marrlnge In 1190. himself unable to produce. That would pended In the furtherance of commercial enterprises, which are managed by and during the time of ita considera- destroy the fiber of men. Besides, we tion by the government, It was under- have a special poor donation in every high officers of the church? A. Where did you get that absurd stood by all parties concerned thnt the ward In Zion, from which the bishops view? Did you hear It from any good old men who were In polygamy should make' large and probably adequnt-provisifor their local poor. authority? It la positively nut a fact, be permitted to continue to support Q. Then you are willing to stand on and It cannot be proved. their wives and to educate their chilQ. Then whnt la done with the tith- dren without being punished by the the position thnt with special provision made for the care of the indilaw for so doing. ing funds? A. They are used for the maintenQ. Can you not conceive that It is gent. and with nearly 92,000.000 anance of the church organisation; for quite iMtsslble for the husband of plural nually in tithes. It Is righteous that the building and care of the templea, wives to support those wives and his some of your poor should he supported and dating from Ave years ago, should children by them, without maintaining by Becoming Inmates of these infirmthey be continued, the tithes would not Intimate relations with hla plural aries, should die there and be burled at even then. In 1906, exqeed $2.0n0,000. wives and begetting Illegitimate chil- public expense In the potter's field? "Need No Excuse." Q. If these things 'are true, then dren. A. You do not state your case corA. It ts not in human nature; not why is It the church exacts In addition to Its 10 per cent tithing, an amount In good human nature, for a inan to rectly. I have carefully tried to show sometimes bringing the total per cent bieak the covenant which he has made yog that we make a large provision for of contribution up to 60 per cent of a with his wife. When a man took a the care of our poor. Certainly we do s. man's salary or Income? plural wife he obligated himself in the not desire that they shall enter A. That Is an exaggeration, put sight of God to cherish her as his wife All the counsel of the authorforward by f men who have left the through time and all eternity, and it ities Is for Industry and thrift, thai church, or by Ignorant men who know Is not to be expected that he would they may be preserved from poverty In their old age. At the same time it cast her off. nothing of the internal afTulra and A Pointed Question. would not be fair for us to pay a large of the church. All tha ( ontrthutlons to the church are purely Q. The Mormon church holds plumajority of the taxes of this slate for voluntary. No man la obliged to pay ral marriage to be a divine institution, the maintenance rtf the poor, and yet tithing; no man la compelled to pay and the United Statea government de- receive no distribution of the for our own poor, and its any donations or contributions to the clares It to be concubinage. Which Is church for any purpose unless he the superior government, and which is members to sustain by their own taxachooses to do so, and every man la the to be obeyed? tion all the poor who are not of out A. That Is not a fair way to state people. Q. Then what excuse can you offci God the question. revealed plural marriage to the prophet Joseph, who for taking 10 per cent of all a man s established It for the salvation of man- Income through all the years of his active life? kind. The church obeyed that revels-lioA. We do not need tu make any exSafe tea : Schilling's Best. When the law was passed by which conflicted with the cuse: It Is the commandment of God. congress Grxxl tea : Schillings Best. revelation, we were bound to adhere to Q. You stand on that? A. Certainly; there can be no highour faith and Its practice until that Good dealing : money back. law whs declared to be constitutional er standpoint for any one to take. Q. The high officers of the Mormon by the court of last resort. When tnat church who signed the Petition for was done, we submitted to the law. Q. In other words, then, you obey Amnesty," covenanted by their sign.- - lKt Judge of hla own income and ex- Q.-C- TALKS com-palsl- free-wille- aa d. rs th poor-hous- ns se on poor-house- relations public-money- TEA n. TEA This Enormous Sale a Sure Sign of Excellence. 1540 Million Bottles Budweiser sold since 1875. This exceeds the of all other bottled beers. There must lie some output reason for this popularity, and if of will bottle taste a Budweiser youll know forjou yourself. Oudl King 1 user Beers' Budweiser is brewed and bottled only at the home plant of the Anheuser-Busc- h Brewing Assn St. Louis. U. S. A. Orders Promptly Filled by Carte or Jim Csppctf Becker Brewing & Malting Co., Distributors, Ogden, Utah. s 11, 1905. tures to abandon polygamy and Its practices. On those covenants amnesty was granted. Yet today, in 1905. many of those officers are still , living in open and notorious polygamy-- ilour ran you expect the young men of the Mormon church and the young women of the Mormon church to obey the laws against polygamy when their church heads are honored by the whole Mormon community for not doing so? A. The leaders of the church and the parents teach the young people that they must obey the law and reverence the institutions of the country. cannot be A more patriotic youth found than those dwelling In these mountains. The manner in which they enlisted in the Spanish war is a proof that they have an idolising affection for the flag and what It represents. They recognise the manner In which their parents came Into conflict with the law. and they recognise the fine example which their parents set in bowing to that law when It was de-dar- ed Doctor Norris SPECIALIST 2301 WASHINGTON AVENUE, OGDEN To the study and treatment of Chronic diseases of nien, women and children, I have devoted special effort during my entire professional life, and have been rewarded bv the discovery of methods and remedies that give complete mastery of Nervous and Blood Diseases, Catarrh, Deafness, Rheumatism, Stomach, Kidney and Liver troubles. You can depend upon my treatment as upon a tried and true friend, for by its use thousands have been restored to health, and it will cure you as it has cured others. Remember that my specialty includes OFFICE constitutional. fu-- ing freely begotten. A. Once more you assume the illogical position of making the church responsible for Individual acts or Its members. It is no more fair to hold this church accountable for individual wrong-doin- g by men or women who have affiliated with the church than it would be fair to hold the Catholic church responsible for a murder that might be committed by one of its members. Q. The articles of faith of the Roman Catholic church do not include murder as a tenet; the Doctrine ar.d of the Mormon chuich Covenants" does Include polygammy as a cardinal tenet Can you not see th distinction between the two? Let me state it in another way: The pope of Rome has not committed six murders and does not swear to all the world that he will continue to commit murders with imrigliL punity; that it la hla God-givand no earthly power shall take It from him. Is not your analogy an unfortunate one? A. It does not seem to me that you en approach this subject in a spirit or sincere Inquiry. You persist in making false deductions from my statements. I have told you that the president of this church is a man of the finest integrity and is ao recognised by Mormons and Gentiles alike. Ask any man. Mormon or GJntlle. In Salt Lake City. If Joseph F. Smith is not an honest man. a good cltlxen, and you will get a reply which should satisfy any reasonable man. It Is true that in the one particular of polygamy he occupies a position in apparent violation of the law; but you must remember that he entered into hla relations under the command of God, and that these relations could not be terminated. What was he to do with his wives? lie couid not murder them and thus get them off the face of the earth. They were here, and he was under the mos: binding covenants, taken in the presence of the Almighty and his fellow-methat he would cleave unto them through time and all eternity. It docs not seem reasonable that he should fail to fulfill the most sacred of all obligations. the obligation between husband n. and wife. "Interview Better End." 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To stride, and strive, and be thankfuL to weather ihe shine and storm, Penciling, over the jpralrles. the destiny planned by God. And no reward dn I nek for, save only to work snd wsit. To praise ths God of my fathom, to labor beneath his sky, To dwell Hlone in his greatness, to strike and to follow sti sight. Silent, and strong, end contented th limitless plains and I. II. If. Hashford in th Spectator 9 BLOOD TOISON, NERVE DEBILITY, FILES AND RUPTURE. - a hypocritical instrument. A. I do not want to take offense at youi remark, and yet It seems to me that the interview had better terminate, for I do not believe you are sincerely desirous of learning the truth. The manifesto came through a prophet of God. was instruction to God's peopie Priest Remembers Servants and they hav obeyed It universally. Under tbe will of the late Rev. Dr. Instead of receiving credit for the' deference to law and their obedience William Edmond Roope of Under to the word of God, men criticise anil Rock, Bonchnrch, Isle of Wight, a persecute the leaders and seek of the Roman Catholic church, awakeii a storm of public Indignation, prjpst 10,000 each munificent bequests of which may result in drivings and astwo servants, Ruth to his are made sassinations. like our people suffered Blau and Cecily Guy. To the latter In other statea in earlier times. Marvelous Is the cunning of tin he also left a life Interest in his free Mormons! Besides their powers of hold house. Under Rock, and he apevasion the wriggling of the slippery pointed both as executrixes of his will. eel are not to be mentioned. Dr. Roopes estate Is valued at 4l,r 725 gross. London Express. Right and Wrong Way In This as Thera la In Everything. 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