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Show ' vv i:s oi m; Cimi dies Jhc Salt lake Sribnnr 213 June It. Saturday, d Tribune Church Editor "Resolved: Mormons Are Christians," was the title of a debate Tuesday night, but participants agreed nothing was really resolved, nor would it be resolved, even if there were weeks and months of debates. In fact during the question-an-JJwe- r period, Rev. George Nye, the Negative speaker told a disgruntled jjpnember of the audience that to be- .r. Prof. Eugene England Defends Mormonisra 1983 I the scriptures which state in part, "By their fruits ye shall be known. Mr. England said he wanted to "affirm how we are all Christians," saying the term Christian designates those who follow Christ; those whose creed includes belief in Christ; and those who live a Christian lifestyle. "Its ironic to be called Mr. England said, fit that criteria. Mormons saying To arguments Mormons are not Christian because good works are a requirement of salvation to them, but not a requirement of Christianity, Mr. England quoted the New Testament itself as saying we are not saved by grace alone. Points Out Abuses He pointed out abuses have been found among both the proponents of being saved by grace alone and those who advocated salvation through works. Such Reformation leaders as John Calvin, who believed people were saved by grace alone carried that theory to one extreme, while the beliefs of Johann Tetzel. a Dominican priest who sold papal indulgences, during the 16th century carried the good works theory of salvation to the opposite extreme. He said Mormons do not believe salvation can be bought through works, adding they very much believe salvation is given to all who believe on His (Jesus) name. However, he said, it is realistic and logical to believe salvation comes through grace, works and ordinances. He pointed out Mormon's ideals are as high as those professing Christianity, pointing out that both the Bible and the Book of Mormon encourage people to love one another as Jesus would. Mr. Nye. in his speech for the neg- flieve either of the speaker's stands ;)ook a leap of faith, adding faith 'Cannot not be argued about with a -winner being determined. f The debate, sponsored by the Foundation, was held in the !Krt and Architecture Auditorium at ihe University of Utah before a packed house. Speaking for the affirmative was Professor Eugene England. professor of English at rfirigham Young University and a llormon bishop. Speaking for the Negative was Mr. Nye, pastor of the First Baptist Church of Salt Lake Sun-Inton- e !ity. Baptism Criteria f. Mr. England, opening the debate faid a simple test of a religions 'jjlaim to Christianity is whether the feith baptizes in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost. "We meet Shut criteria, as well as others." Mr. jfcngland said. lle said Jesus Christ himself gave a test, that being found in ij followers c u I ative said although there are many groups such as the Mormons who are well intentioned, they do not fit the Christianity criteria. He pointed out Mormons do not fit the definitions of Christianity as set forth in the Apostles Creed and the Nicaean .Creed saying Christianity has given assent to these creeas. He pointed out Christianity believes there is but one God. all knowing. all powerful but Mormons believe In many gods, even believing man can become a god himself. Mr. Nye said, "Between two and 1,000 gods is only a quantitative difference, but betwen declaring there is one God and two is an essential difference." Height of Arrogance "To ever dream of becoming a god like God is out of the realm of possibility and is the height of arrogance, Mr. Nye said. Mr. Nye also said Christians have a "personal relationship" with God. who is a spirit, while Mormons deny that personal relationship and claim God is nothing mope than a glorified man. Speaking on the differing views of the trinity, Mr. Nye said Christianity believes God is three people in one substance, manifesting himself as God, the son and the Holy Spirit, whereas the Mormons believe the trinity is three separate beings. nitv f 23-2- 6 house-to-hous- g g Jehovah's Witnesses from Utah. Idaho and Nevada are expected to attend, joining about 1,000,000 people in 60 cities throughout the world. t 7 p m. a The film tells of scriptural principles which have been used in thousands of homes for a happy home &fe and Dr. Graham discusses the fix keys to a happy marriage. Mivti Bar-tow- well-jLnow- n i. hie Murrvy fait Horn tc Tribune Photo bv George Sorensen snow-covere- Expected attendance is 10,000 cluding about 1,000 commissioners. in- Crying Statue Called Hoax - A panSTOCKTON. Calif. (AP) el of priests who called a "weeping" Madonna a hoax failed to shake the faith of at least some of the believers who have flocked by .. hundreds to see the statue. "You are creating a great injustice by what you are saying, a sobbing La Verne Costa of Lodi told the priests as they announced .their finding Wednesday. Carlota Usuna of Modesto still insists she was cured of asthma after praying to the Virgin Mary. "1 believe in it." her husband Antonio said. "These things usually appear to the humble and the poor. statue Reports that the tears and can move as far as 30 feet from its niche in Mater Ecclesiae Mission Church in Thornton began circulating two years ago. Church attendance has tripled since then, with as many as 600 people visiting each week. sheds real Area Ministers Tell Views Floods and Slides Lord7s Punishment? at Alta is buried completely devastated by the ravages of the weather and citizens throughout the state have been displaced by mudslides. Some of them have now returned home, others will never return home. What does it mean theologically speaking? Is it a sign of punishment? Perhaps a test of faith or a sign of the return of the savior? Or maybe it's just a sign the weather has changed. Speaking to some area ministers, most agree it's only a signal the weather has changed, after years of dry conditions. The Rev. Thomas Meerman. rector of the Cathedral of the Madeleine, said it has no theological meaning at all, "Except to maybe provide us with the opportunity to He added, "It practice charity. gives us a chance to pray for our fellow man and hopefully be supportive of our fellow man. And we have been (supportive)." Father Meersman said. He believes it's to the credit of the people in Utah that the feeling of love for a neighbor has been so strong. Im sorry it happened," Father Meer The little chapel in snow, Each Sunday at Pm-- CiALti A 1 K$L 1160 AM man said, but he said it has shown a strong community spirit. The Rev. Richard Henry, minister of the First Unitarian Universalist Church in Salt Lake City said, I dont find anything remarkable in the flooding, except that were entering a wet cycle. The minister praised the imagination of Salt Lake City officials in coming up with the means to handle the flooding and called Utahns in general an impressive population. for handling the crisis so well On Sunday Utahns will join hundreds of thousands of people across the United States in linking hands in a chain from Plymouth Mass., to San Francisco, Calif., at the same time (11 a m. MDT) in a call for peace. Called Hands in Peace," the event is being held to encourage peace. The Salt Lake peace line begins at Taylorsville Park, 4700 S. Redwood Road and continues south. Mf 300 E EARLY AN Worship 1 1 a.m. Wed. Eve. 7 p.m. Of Marahell All BIBLE Wemefce WED 9AY tOOom 4 Christian Education 00pm Assoc & Sr. Ministries Youth & Music Pastor CI1TRCII 5,2687 10:30 SUMMER FORUM Ron Parker, Pastor A.M. "Wtir Dost 60S Fit Into Rslifion Sengs Taoseott Ptt D. 9 45 a.m. 11:00a.m. Trg. 6:00 p.m 7:00 p.m. Worship Morninq Worship Philosophy. U ol Wed. Family Night Interpretation 268-217- 8 4300 South 700 East 9 TEACHING OF THE INNER CHRIST MedrtJtiofi Metaptiyiict 275 South llthEiN SUNDAY SERVICE 11 A.M. "ARE U YOU LISTENING?" Rtv. John E 3900 'Worship So. Missouri Synod h Worship Sunday School 6 p.m. 8:00, 9:30 1 1 anil open to the I Life Secrmpnte 10 a.m. 363-388- 9 9a Transitions" Dr. Bode (Child Care through Aft 9) Annuel Or. John R. Bodo 0 9;30 era. 11 era. Mr. Jim Boyer Assistanl Pastor PicnicTainooot Port 9:20 Ministers Proctor of C.t John Nancy Eutortaugh Director of Musk Bodo Hodgani Walton Roth Ft H. W A. PhiHp A. Day, Jr. WASATCH TEACHING of the INNER CHRIST I.C.A.C. l MmtopfeytKt A Modmrn Myetktvn "The Spirit of Living Waters" ftv taming fen Pastor Tom Ashbrook Bt 255-8- Elft, Sindy ; .W 3357 Seutfc 3300 Cot 11 A.M. SUNDAY Nurnnr Car, AroviiMd B573 So. 700 "THe Street C Office Good Shepherd Lutheran & Wayne Tuttle, Music Bob Adams, Youth ADULT SEMINA About Getting Married Guest Speaker CanSidsto for u Andy Hornbaker, Pastor South Temple at Lake Alliance Chwdi Sunday School Worship Sorvicve John Fiene, Pastor Mothers Day Out First Presbyterian E. WORSHIP Bovorttilh 4400 South 7tfl EmI 8600 South, Sands SUNDAY SCHOOL 9:00 A.M. WORSHIP SERVICE 10:00 A.M. 1270 East 277-941- 2 w Singles Ministry felt (,K(I ll llllltw 7:00 p.m. Singles Fellowship Rev. Arni Jacobson Pastor Rev. Garry Pierce Music & Youth Rev. Ron Grams Counseling & Visitation Assemblies of God Ay ' & Bible Study HXTitXr this week No Evening Praise tor the Deal FIRST I MTARIA 569S13tl,E. 8:30 a.m. 9:45 a.m. 10:45 a.m Early Worship 1 welcome:: & visitors 700 pm 7 MEET 561-59- ...by My Spirit .. Pastor E 3 EXPERIENCE!WORSHIPjH:THE:VALLEVrAT: An Exciting, Growing Fellowship!! 9 45 o m I Particpation of churches, organizations, neighbors and individuals is encouraged. WORSHIP Ayers Elmer Richardson L. Nelson Randy CHURCH Southeast Baptist Church 700 Eof 7000 South SUNDAY SCHOOL WORSHIP James throughout time. He said, the end is not yet." However, the Rev. Peter Ernst, pastor of Evangelical Free Church, says he views the changes in weather as being one more of many signs the savior will return. But I cant predict if that will be tomorrow, today or 50 years from now. Although he admits nobody can know for sure if the weather does mean anything theologically, Mr. Ernst said personally, he sees it as one of the signs the Lord warned us of That strange things will be happening in the skies. The line begins forming at 10 a.m. The program was conceived by Dr. Burl Payne, a psychologist and physicist who had investigated war cycles for several years and became concerned about the developing shift towards war. 8:30 a.m. SUNDAY SCHOOL 9:45 a.m. MORNING WORSHIP 10:50 a.m. EVENING PRAISE 6:00 p.m. WED. FAMILY SERV. 7:00 p.m. BIBLE BAPTIST CHURCH Rootor tnere have been such actions MTN. VIEW CHRISTIAN ASSEMBLY 8000 So., Sandy message of faith and inspiration 2700 Smrtti Main Sunday School 10 a.m. Sunday Eve. 7 p.m. tains and along streams, we re now paying the price for our stupidity." Mr Nilsson sees it as arrogance on the part of humans to believe our behavior could affect geological time, saying its a dubious situation to try and tie the weather into the supposed evils of the human race. The Rev. Charles Ray, pastor of Millcreek Baptist Church, said he believes there was just too much snow that had to come flown some way. He said where the Bible talks about signs of the judgment day including wars and rumors of wars, Agreeing there are no theological ramifications to the flooding, the Rev. Harold Nilsson, pastor of Zion Lutheran Church, said he sees a scientific explanation for the flooding. He said in terms of geological time, the weather is not abnormal. It's (the weather) how the mountains were formed, how the valleys were formed. He pointed out geologists have said weve entered into a wet period, following 50 years of drier than normal weather, saying because of our building in the moun- - Utahns to Join Hands for Peace' With Throngs Across the U.S. 2150 Foothill Drive Sarvtca Wot 662 30 5:00 p m. 10 30 a. LEW HANCOCK. For mtonoNton Church lldg 5103 Sub Stsft SUNDAY MORNING All Aft BitHt Clan bmfrter or plan Our Lady of the Lake Episcopal Church "Si E. of 13th So. 10:30 a.m. Worship Service Nursery a nt Church School 9:30 S Or Frank M Bockui, Mmistar Christ 467-196- 5 Bible School 9.30 a.m. 10.30 a.m. Worship Service 6:30 p.m. Evening Service Wednesday Bible Study 7:30 p.m. Robert Waggoner, Evangelist f j? DEAF SERVICES I Interpreter Available Church of ORGAN LOFT A HtftneoCM'f Xxfr 0 1881 Vina St. (6100 $.) Bible School Worship 8 30 a.m. Worship 1100 a.m. Evening Service Rev. Jerry Lewis, Mtnitfer Scott Roderick. Youth Minister Rev. A. Albert Lt Church Freikyfvrton Htrichi of the Church Family Worship James Everyone Welcome Aiimiimmimmimiiiiz, 1700 WASATCH EAST & SOUTH E SUMMER WORSHIP i 10:00 A.M. pastor (.INC, IK GRYSU ANA SUIIIIN AUSTIN 57f ii di'i.nii j 'Tllllllllllllllllllllllllllliv 4l)7-- 7 i jii the world . . . )ne heart at a time Decision "Beware, beware that anyone rebuke or reprooch a tool, though ho and on jJI- may be on SUNDAY doer. KSL 11:00 PM 1160KC U I Baha'i Socred Writing! Discusvon held regularly. For further infix nohon or 272-312SIC 484-424- 2 Bnffl 298-450- 7 Murray 266-386- 1 Logan 7531650 Amor Fk 756-567- 9 ' - k 1 life" 9 45 a.m. 8:30 p m. UNITED METHODIST . 5 AJ vifKanf 9801 So 1300 East, Sandy 277-030- 444-17- 3 11 "TTie People in Your CHRISTIAN CHURCH rill Rn Val Dodl St John1 luthara 1030 So taN tt Mmm Street SUMOAV COMMUNITY OF GRACE Meeting Science Religion f Mind) (Science 3331 Diocese ol Christ The King 12:00 Holy Communion lune 12th a familv life. yuccossful a fnv m PRESBYTERIAN In an interview with Cliff Dr. James Dobson, Christian pyschologist, di- Tin1 film is bly. Th cetitinuing Episcopal Church 1928 Prayor Book "Crisis in the Home." a Billy Gra 3iam film, produced by Worldwide , Pictures will be shown at Millcreek vBaptist Church. 1515 E. 4500 South for church. Among their FIRST CONGREGATIONAL CHURCH Graham Film Set scusses the foundation garding the ministry and work of the first action after the reunion ceremonies will be the election of the first moderator (presiding officer) of the new assem- The Rev. Jan Bartlett and Ruling Elder Charlotte Morrison were elected commissioners (voting delegates) to the Presbyterian Church's General Assembly, under way in Atlanta, Ga. Mr. Bartlett is pastor of the Campus Christian Center at the University of Utah and Mrs. Morrison is a member of Community Presbyterian Church in Delta. Chosen as youth advisory delegate from the Presbytery of Utah is Karl Edwards, a member of Community Presbyterian Church, Brigham City. The General Asembly is the highest policy-makin-g body in the United Presbyterian Church in the United States. The highlight of the meeting is expected to be the formal reuniting of the Presbyterian Church U.S. and the United Presbyterian Church USA. The two branches have been separted since 1891 and will become the Presbyterian Church (USA). Ceremonies uniting the two took place Friday evening. The separate General Assemblies voted last June to endorse the reunion plan, with presbyteries (area governing units) ratifying the action in February. The Presbyterian Church U.S. with constitutional res marquirements of a its gin among presbyteries, approved the plan by nearly 86 percent. All 151 United Presbyterian presbyteries voted in favor. Also at the General Assembly, commissioners will study, debate and vote on a variety of issues re three-fourth- SOUTHSIDE CHURCH OP CHRIST - 'i . d roof at the Alta that shows above this resort is the the rooftop and cross. Though weather has taken its toll on the lives of many Utahns, area ministers say this years drastic floods have no theological meaning. All ski Church M Special to The Tribune OGDEN - The "Kingdom Unity." .District Convention of the Jehovah's itnesses will be held June at he IXf Events Center, 4600 S. 1400 jlast. with an estimated 8.000 people "expected to attend. Highlighting the convention will e !qe visitation, invit-Jjnresidents to the convention; a firmly day. featuring addresses (dealing with all aspects of family Jtffe; baptisms; and an address. "Who iAre United in This Strife-Tor- n (World?" delivered bv L.C. Bennett. . J I lolludiiy llillft ISt ijehovah's Witnesses to Meet P ' && .t'K. 2780 rkinudom f K' n, another. K A - O Love, Acceptance Mr. England made a plea to be loved and accepted in the Christian spirit of love and tolerance for one George Nye Mormons not Christian' 1 1 Mormons Christian? Debate Fails To Resolve Issue By Melinda Sowerbv 2 Utahns Delegates For Presbyterians 11 H lappen, pastor Leoteri 9:00 a.m. 561-741- 2 EVANGELICAL FREE CHURCH "Preaching the Word" 1910 E. 3900 South SERVICES 272-845- 3 11a.m. 9:45 a.m. 8:30 i.m. 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