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Show AN EXCLUSIVE INIEKVIEW law, how can they expect the average guy to follow it? l think these moves the courts are making will be a help to Oddball An It: Face Im Lets law enforcement because they'll upgrade it to be treated like human People, even criminals, have got more flies with honey than with beings, besides you can catch vinegar. For example its cruel to charge a crime with insufficient not true evidence, because the presumption of innocence is in the public eye... .Recent cases in this state were examples. of the facts. Everyone assumed guilt before they knew any How cruel! I think laws would be obeyed if they were respected. Often the average law enforcement officer will arrest for attitude rather than violation. There is still far too much police brutality and discourtesy. oil : bel'er trained, even university I would rather more recruited, and better paid. selectively trained, When you get a little guy and lots of authority, youve got trouble. should be doing legal, not administrative work. Besides they get oriented to the thinking of the departments saying they're In ..they might get to the point where they're a If the department wants to accomplish this, can I find law to do it." Then the department head becomes the client, instead of the administration or the people. There are too many people in state government today who feel they re masters instead at servents. Before you might have had two deupties arguing against each other in the supreme court. ..that's how stupid it got. Now theyre speaking for me. If two agencies are fighting they should negotiate their difficulties or bring a friendly suit to the state court without advocacy. They state After a 16 year dry spell the Democrats swept the - house in November. Soon after inauguration newsmen and the one public alike found color and controversy distinguishing office in particular - that at the attorney general. Phil L. Hansen had established a reputation as a defense went beyond attorney for the underdog - although his practice that. Once reaching office he managed to get almost everyone down to office, more their tion on this? further youd like dont you get one' What was wrong, In your opinion, ills'' within tneir separate Im with having the lawyers MM IS THE WORD FOR THIS OFFER 13-- 7 Deposit this coupon ami win thin ear JEILLEL and Bingham defeated Cyprus, to open the p re season for bod) teams last week but Cypruss Howard Condie with the performances of his Pirates. Sure, we made some mistakes. Thats what preseasoo to correct games are for People arent any worse than they ever were, life is just more complicated and more rushed. People have more contact and besides there are more laws to disobey. I don't think the bill of rights means anything unless its applied to a guy accused of a crime. Your relations with the press cg-j'-u hardly be described as plai id Low d i i txplain it? I've represented so many l ihinL"TTs basically personal. accused I get a guilt by assoc- There's been a lot of com- plaining about the present trend of the supreme court.. iation O My was fied, think it's one of the greatest to see? I may, only problem is you guys would probably say doing it because I've had such bad press ' 4 uus When I was a defense attorney I aw so many abuses of the law I felt that if I could be chief enforcement officer I mirtit be able to leave things a little better than when I found them. Well, we should have a press secretary up here. Its important that the people understand the interpretations of the laws we make, just as important as their knowing the activities of the Governor. Why Cyprus Loses Ai got diversi- but the the notor- iety Since 19-I've handled 57 closer to when and America the constitu- 46 murderca-se- s, 5,000 ot0 hers .. thirds without tion were first Whal formed law hampers fee enforcem ent is image practice criminal cases that things ever happened. This court is really j.i think is the reason for the increase in crime rate? What dc some thoughts about enforcement and administragfnc raiiy 1 Anything When don't you get static when change is suggested? People are creatures of habit and are quick to criticise that which they do not understand. Thera is no department which now I admits static. In fact some are happy for the additional space. ' Happy or not it's right that I have the control and loyalty of ) my staff. No one can or will serve two masters. By perfor- These people are different than the average administrative person in state government. With only a handfull is a college degree required, let alone their law degree and passing of the bar exam. This training should be recognized in their wages. You cant get talent for peanuts. of accomplishment static from the other departments Do you have mance up here. Basically I expect the equivalent of a 40 hour week out of them. under one roof, and this is just about accomplished. When I took over this office the tax commission had four lawyers r over there, the department of business regulation one, the 1 highway department five and public welfare two. They're ; all lawyers and they should be in this office. When the load is light in a particular department I can shift deputies to other areas or other problems. Did you get any I think that the attorney general, as well as the district and county attorneys should be elected, but they should be elections, if they were appointed the opinions would be those that the attorney might think would please his boss, the ones he thinks the boss wants given. The way it is now theres too much of a temptation to interpret along the party philosophy . or in reverse, to bend overboard to nuke it look like there aren't partisan politics involved. Law is law, it's not one way for the Republicans and one way for the Democrats, or one way for the government and another way for the people. cl out I've seen a lot of that, and its unbelievable, what goes on down there at the Point. 1 think that treating a prisoner like a human being can prevent him from repeating. We say a we continue person pays his debt when he goes to prison, yet not him a job. he out, giving by him mostly after to punish gets I think there's some question about the constitutionality of the statute that says the state can't hire a person if hes been convicted of a crime. There should be reasonable limitations. ..for example a man convicted of embexellemeut shouldnt handle money But the reason given for crime in the first place is often that the criminal couldnt get a Job... so we let him out and we still dont give him a Job. people are like icebergs, 90 percent beneath the surface. W e must try to understand the 100 percent. There is a reason for everything I think if we spent more money on prevention of crime we wouldn't have to spend so much on punishment. Take a kid like Jesse Garcia (prisoner at Utah State Prison, defended he never had a by Hansen on rape and murder charges) chance until after the murder case, he aw the worst kind of life around him. he lived by animal instincts . ..how can we expect anything else out of an environment like that. Wtut do you think about the system of election of the attorney general? them. I expect them to have some private but practice, not to the point where it Interferes with Ive tried to bring all the lawyers working for the state " Its think I ; areas 21. the treatment of prisoners How about I'm not campaigning now. Kesler was a likable guy. he didn't offend anyone. ..but he really didn't get into the law. But theres been a lot of buck passing in this government. Too many people have made decisions based on whether they would be popular ones. I d rather be right than popular. But it gets me in trouble when I speak my mind They keep saying who are you mad at today?" I'm not mad at anybody. important that the value of the people In my office are realised. j'j rather have fewer lawyers on my staff and pay them more and expect Constructive controversy is healthy because it identifies If my shop and I have accompli hed nothing the Issues. more we have reduced the staff by seven lawyers, and have : caused an awareness in many that Utah does have an attorney ' generals office and are trying to run it as a law office for ; the people and their government, not a campaign headquarters for themselves or others. This office is really the nerve center of the States govern- ment. By that I mean that there can be no lawful official to authorise it. The attorney general is the rf act without a law legal advisor for all state officers. His legal opinions are the guidelines for all state governmental acts by the Governor and everyone else in service to the state. ? This office has a very serious responsibility to interpret the law courageously and objectively, without fear or favor. - My staff and I are accepting that responsibility, not passing it to others. We may not always be right, but we are seldom in doubt. And we are sincerely trying to acquaint everyone with the '' necessity and desirability of compliance with the law. Can you point out some specific an administrative Are there things youd like to see accomplished here? torney general: this Are there other differences in your conduct of the office ed the way it was run under frratt Resler'? assistant to take care of all the details that the lawyers shouldnt have to handle, because its taking time away from their proper duties. Weve decreased the number of lawyers in here from 25 at least a little bit on and off the capital building grounds In an exclusive interview with the Review Mr. atHansen tells his side at his first nien months as Utahs ' Youve caused much controversy since taking over but wlut do you fevl you've accomplished? ' Yes, Ive appointed incensed. i else? Anything tv I didn't go to the bar association lunches or meet- - not a rehaving gard for the constitution See page 5 MOW! O control--absolutel- y 13-- 7. was-please-d VALUABLE COUPON mistakes. Coach Condie spent Thursday afternoon prepering his team for his second encounter of the season. The Pirates travel to Killcrest to test another Tough Region Three team. Bingham scored once in the second quarter and returned to Intermission following score again with only one conversion finding the sco rebook. 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