Show THE OTHER SIDE 0 OP OF THE UTAH ISSUE the charge of disloyalty to the government stron strongly gly denial THE QUESTION OF ADMISSION TO THE UNION the following account of an interview between gath ganji george alfred Town seua and lion hon joon joan W young will OB be lead ead j with considerable interest it is in the usual i lacy acy style peculiar to the noted journalist aud the laical reader can readily overlook t ocue inaccuracies which have doubtless beba inadvertently introduced in consequence of the writer t et not being thoroughly acquainted wl with th malters mailers on which he treats treat the e in ni was published in ae me cincinnati in 11 enquirer of july 3rd ard NEW YORK july 2 john willard young is the youngest son of the first wife of brigham young and he Is the vice president of an intelligence office ot of a peculiar nature which combines banking with topography statistics and general information having known mr youn young g somewhat years ago I 1 took the opportunity of rediscovering him to ask some leading questions about the issues in utah he is I 1 think about forty three years old and he has if I 1 am correctly informed teg tea sons and ten daughters he was born at nauvoo near the time joseph smith was murdered in the carthage jail few men are more presentable sen table and fascinating there is an undertone of religious affection in his nature quite removed from cant or said he MORMON BELIEF the mormons cormons believe that the greatest use a man can be in this world is to people it with offspring all that we get out of living we owe to 0 kurpa 1 a rents we owe them the gil gift of iff ivf fc e that affection for children is chakey stone of our faith my father had bad 26 sons and 26 daughters it is my experience peri ence euce that the more children you are thrown in with at home the wider becomes your enjoyment of men and life with that large number of chil dreamy drea gay father had there was no bick erine we respected our parents just as much as it we had been two or three children instead of 52 11 how much money did your our father ae leave a ve ilis his estate he had breu been a diligent wan man lakios large contracts and sume risks he was wan able to give to each of his children uno and they all shared alike without regail to age talent or motherhood then every one oae of the widows was especially taken care of they have their separate bouses tio uses and it is the duty of the children ch dren to equal respect to their fathers relicts relic ts 11 1 I where did your mother come from in the first olace vla ell from island at no great distarce dista dist bce abee from providence my father was a native ot vermont my mv mother went out to kirtland ohio in pursuit of about this new religion which joseph smith had intro introduce duc ed chere blie ahe became a member of the church chuich and in course of I 1 time line married ai my fa father tiler being his first wife ire are you aware mr young that president Pre ga garield Gati field eld lived close by b kirtland and was acquainted with joiseph smith Y yen garfield talked to me ire fre quert av n that subject he told me mat I 1 h corx rm w L not ahe he least doubt that josei jose 6 1 imi Al itil HAD THE POWER TO PERFORM MIRACLES an and d related that he be cast a devil out of a mau man garfield explained it on the ground that smith was a man of great magnetism some of the neighbors clairo that garfield had bad serious intentions of joining the mormon faith in his bis youth lie he was a preacher pre acner after he be had taken so mucks interest in on our r people and was sincerely liked by them we felt it nard hard that lie he should have yielded to the intolerance of his bis official circle and should have given us little more chance than any ot of the other presidents what mr young relates about garfield was true he told me with considerable sid erable animation that once in kirt laud a person seemed possessed with a devil ard bad some kind of lunacy joseph smith garfield said was a splendid looking man loan young and bale and strong and he commanded this evil spirit to leave the garfield said that there ther ewas was almost a visible is issuing ishuin suin of the demon from the man he however pul pu the whole ta ingon on t the he ground of a strong will how many people have you bot now at salt lake city mr young about the population of the territory is more than enough to entitle it to admission in the union A constitutional convention is about to meet in suit salt lake which will I 1 think take the step of prohibiting plural marriages for tue the future I 1 do not assert that because it takes a great many people to come to a slon sion but I 1 think that is the A disposition esposi lion of the old heads of the church the Tenito rial condition is a false one and Is a remainder of the old fashion the british hadlof had of governing verning eo these colonies without allo allowing in g anem to have re presen aaion ah the e government sends to us territorial officials many of whom come out there FOR NO OTHER PURPOSE than to harass us and make evil feel bog the american people ought to be too ze generous nerous to wish to keep up these disorders I 1 think that if our people yield to the prejudice which seems to be general and conform to the usages of the rest of the country they should he be permitted to have self government few states anywhere have passed through such a probation as utah our oar people have removed from ohio to missouri from frem missouri to illinois from illinois to iowa and nebraska and thence have kone gone onward passing the limit of civilization and even of safety it if any people have labored hard to construct a state under disadvantages it Is ours eurs what is the fact as to the mormon people liking or disliking the united states ours is the only reli religion glon in america which is based upon wholly and only american ideas we believe that christopher columbus was divinely inspired to come and discover this continent we believe that every thing was appointed that took place in the way of the independence of the country under the leadership of washington other religions began with the jewish dispensation ithe mormon religion commences and ends in america I 1 have a brother and a nephew who have been graduated at the military academy of west point in my youth i I 1 have many a time climbed I 1 limb e to th the e top of one of those pine trees rees which grow on the Sl sierras erras and removed the upper limbs to make it a flagpole flag pole for the american flag the mormons cormons Mor mons in spite of their harsh treatment continue from year to 10 year and from generation to generation to feel that they are an integral part of the american nation and they have no expectations or hopes outside of this republic THE ENDOWMENT HOUSE what is the talk about the endowment house and its mystic rites rices based ap upon on the mormons cormons have a species of freemasonry freema connected with their temple the origin of our sect or religion Is mixed up with the old rites of the jewish temple this dispensation or faith as it was left to us includes a good deal that is social and of the family character while I 1 am not privileged to say ear what takes place in our endowment house ouse I 1 can tell you wat does not take tabe place aud and no man was ever called upon within those precincts to take au an oath against the united states or br any part pare of its government that has been freely charged but who could know what was going on there in the secrecy of mystic C rites I 1 tell you that mormons cormons are americans americana in race feeling history no other faith has been beao identified with no io much of this continent nearly all the mormon leaders were of the hardy stock of new england and new york with here and there a native englishman like john taylor 11 how old is john taylor now eighty that poor old man is without 0 ut a home hoine today to day he is a polygamist but be is eighty years of age they got to raid him and aad pursuing hini him and he be call called This his little circle of wives around him and anci said all that I 1 lean can do is to go and live by myself it to ia cruel to be separated from you all but there is no other way 11 what is become of george Q cannon mr cannon is one of our able men perhaps not ot as forcible or original as john taylor some men are strong in the stock others are strong in precept we regard john taylor as the head of the church and of our people he is a native of england but has been in this country nearly all his bia lifetime 11 TEMPLE AND tabernacle how anch money has been spent on the mormon mo temple about W aa you mast not confound con lound the tabernacle with the temple the tabernacle is the large building where my lather preached when aheu you were out there the temple is a stone building which is expected to be the permanent fold and monument of the mormon church it has been built down to a bed of natural cement or conglomerate which is one of the curious discoveries we make from time to time la in the progress of our church we have got to a rock cement how has cleveland treated you mormons cormons Mor mons 1 I have met mr cleveland and am very much pleased with him lie he means to be a fair man he ought to remove the judge out there whom arthur appointed arthur like all timid men thought that the easiest thing he could make a reputation upon w was to per persecute e the mormons cormons Mor mons do the territorial keep order outside of the mormon sect that is to say are the police regulations of utah impartial and uniform no we break up a house of ill fame at jour ur peril the laws seems strained to protect immorality while they invade marriage which of the presidents was the fiercest against the mormons cormons Mor mons grant ant was abolt as fierce as any but nearly all the I residents presidents have been antagonistic to our people at tile the time of the mexican war we were JB is to join a volunteer organization to fight the mexicans and their indian allies we did not know at the time that the ranking officer had in his pocket an order to impress impre as us by loice foice if we did not voluntarily go what kind of way was that to treat a people who had no BO knowledge of the threat implied but took up arms for their country with promptness and good faith ADMISSION TO TUB THE UNION may you not be admitted to the union jointly with dakota which has been for some time trying to 10 get in Wea we aru rethe the olde oldest ot the territories said raid mr at yung ung new mexico has an old population but utah Is the original american territory settled by native americans american aud and they have been living there in tile the vale of salt lake since 1846 17 47 full forty years they have been enabled to lend a helping hand to all american enterprises which came their way they built the railroads for the government and afterward built railways of their own I 1 had the contract to build one of the prominent romi nent railways of that territory the the american people certainly can want nothing from us more than a constitutional guarantee prohibiting future plural marriages instead ot being a source of irritation to them and they to us we can go on and fulfill our destiny mr edmunds has been one of your steady opponents has tie he not yes dhesi father and he were both ver in and my lather father was not a useless man in this world and one would think that mr edmunds might have some appreciation ip of him we have met nearly dearly all the public men mea of the united states iu in utah now and then on one e comes along uke like the late senator morton of indiana who takes a warm interest in our affairs morton came out there about fifteen years ago just after you had written some letters about the mormon trials at salt lake he entered into the spirit of those descriptions script ions and our people formed a first rate lib impression of of on too many persons come among us however I 1 that are fair talkers and then the lexi next thing we hear bear they are in the list of our adver adversaries baries 21 THE FEDERAL OFFICIALS how do you get along with the old federal officials out there of the baskins bankins and maxwell character although baskin is an indomitable anti mormon there are some points about him which we like he is up and down unmistakable akabie A large percentage of the officials who seek for a distant reputation by making it ic hot for us break themselves up by internal beat and at last wear themselves out or so go to pieces in habits in the tae mean time our folks brought up ap ini ID that sect pursue our oo 00 souse arse as far aa fallowes fallowed fall wed owed to do and our increase larni and while we are no not t a pla awe we believe that we are as was 0 a people as live under the AW 0 r ip ad did captain hoopers dau daughter ahter brother brigham captain hooper came irom from the eastern shore of maryland and that is suppose you became acquainted rt people eople e through knowing knowin ghim him hatlon tnt 01 too almost all the me men f lake still alive yon ou saw silt salt are hiram n Clawson wao who has baa been pent but bat he is lust just as hearty and cag chg te js z 1 when you saw him 15 years ago i T e 5 do not like to be embroiled broiled mr oiled fellow citizens a and bid we are proposing to accommodate ahem even of inculcation where we af F SOT CONSCIOUS OF DOING WRONG hrant boget to get along smoothly much gf aw business is with persons erious of io otter fattlis faith s and sects here am I 1 lindsa in the city of new york an and d ot my associates were brought apin other ats 11 yo you aw ever gone back to visit Aeb the haunts aunts of early mormonism lor for jolifee to your fathers birthplace I 1 in n vermont tont or to nauvoo where your people had so much misery indi W I 1 fear to go to those places wore where we had bad our probation and suffering I 1 feat fear if I 1 were to go to any of hem bem I 1 should see something which dmd destroy my dreams ls Is your father brigham buried under onder a no we have not yet settled upon what kind of memorial memo rialto to put over WS him he ge had bad a burial ground acl adjacent jacent lq loais boasy near what is called the HOB house there he lies buried and anci we when matters become quiet edano we can deliberate without fear or apprehension erect something to art atis remains 11 lathere opposition at salt lake to lae scheme of making utah a state wern ment yes there are of course federal officials who would be rotates rotated out of otyce if th the e people were given self we have however a ahre number of friends in congress obo desire to see us enter the family ot States with all the causes of irritation removed our people I 1 MEAN IN GOOD FAITH when whim they make this organic law to obey it and observe it As far as a the nomon mormon revelation goes there will al be as we believe a church settled U wa upon the gospel as taught by Joseph smith our people e WIL irea a deeply religious people their amusements and chiei chief lit alre ln the exercises of the church aher parts of the country aaita flave to be started to get rid of rance we are not burdened ance t salt lake if a tree shall be 0 0 y its fruits we have dave lived up to nets and is in spite of many mis we have been blessed ift john willard asas is as fine a person as one bouva couva see up d d own the Broadw broadway av he I 1 is s tall tal 1 ift if a complexion ot of healthy pale r and the conversation I 1 have ld edwith Eler e ered with him lacks his ee ness n and magnetism GATH |