| Show PEOPLES TICKET delegate to congress JOHN T CAINE NEITHER ORDERED NOR COUNSELED ON saturday we replied to the statement of the tor for the office of delegate to Congress that the chiefs of the church hold bold it a divine right to order the rank and file to vote as they decreed and that this is the reason why he be advocates the disfranchisement ot of every member of the mormon church in our reply was the following paragraph there is not a member or of the church burch who can truthfully say he has bae been ordered to vote for any candidate for office there is not a delegate to any of the conventions recently held for municipal county or territorial politics who can truthfully say that he has been ordered to nominate or op oppose 0 any poison or to support or reject c t any ticket or policy we repeat what we wa have stated again and again that every member of the camor mormon moul I church is ia free in theo theory and in practice to vote as he chooses without compulsion of any kind or nature his creed accords him this liberty his leaders do not interfere with it this paragraph is quoted in the liberal organ followed by a number of epithets and pot pet names such as that paper usually utters against an opponent in the place of argument and the sweet faed cherub api noted logician who panned them added these remarks of course it will be noticed how he plays on the word ordered 2 suppose the word counseled were to be hanged for ordered and then suppose that we all know that the one indans to a saint the same as the other although they are two different words and suppose we reflect on what the rale has been from the first which has never been broken in forty years which has caused every mormon in good si standing anding to vote whatever ticket was dictated to him by his chiefs chieh h has caused more than one of them thein to give as an excuse for voting for unworthy men 1 I 1 had to do it 19 ete well the word ordered was what we had to reply to I 1 if f we had substituted some other word that teat would have been after the mendacious fashion of the tribune writer who when cornered in a dispute invariably changes the language of his adversary and proceeds to comment upon it and pour out the stream of billingsgate which he be mistakes for reasoning A divine right to order therann the rank and file to vote as they decreed that is what was charged that the chiefs of the Church holdmand hol dand which every mormon has to obey this we denied in toto and we deny it now substitute the word counseled P then for ordered if you please and while we deny that the words mean the same to the imor or to anybody else who understands der stands english we deny that every mormon in good standing has to vote whatever ticket is dictated to him by his chief we say that the chiefs of the mormon church do not formulate political tickets or tell the rank and file or anybody else that they must vote for them beuch tickets are framed in regular conventions vent ions and nobody is under obligation or compulsion to vote for them it is not true that mormons cormons Mor mons have had to give as an excuse for voting for unworthy men 1 t I had to lo do it A short time ago the same charge was made by the same scribe and we called for names the reply came that the father of 8 W sears said so in excuse for voting for a certain candidate in the convention at which he was nominated mr sears the father of S W sears when asked about this by the present writer stated positively he be had bad nev never er said say anything thing of the kind he nev wany occasion to say it and he h was not a member of the convention referred to the point in dispute is this A demand is made that the chiefs chief 11 of the church shall give up a claim that they do ap no not make and that the lewbers members of the church shall cease submitting to dictates that are not and to a coercive influence that is not exercised and the truth is tt that those who make the demand either do not know anything about either the theory or practice of mormonism or they are working in the usual liberal way to deceive the public and they know all the time they make th these se demands that they are uttering the very baldest baldesi kind of mendacious mendacious nonsense |