Show 1 1 I 1 DISCOURSE DELIVERED MY mm HILDRA jhb JOM nio in the tabernacle salt sat cake lake city august 17 1879 BY J JOHN 0 UK IRVINE I 1 wilts read wit within biln liln your hea abd ahi abi this afternoon aate anoon the ant verses of the of the acts of oc the tue apostles 11 repent ye yi there therefore fore foro auda and be converted that jol joi EG sins may max bd a blotted out when the times of 0 re fres frei freshing hing bing shall co come ind from the r ence once of the lord 9 and hejhall he shall send bui bus which was waa was preached unto you whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution cfall of all ali things which ged gad by the mouth of alt all his bioly prophet fieta since the die world began in endeavoring to address those who are present thia this after affer I 1 desire that I 1 may way have an interest in the faith falth and arid prayers of my hearers that such things may be sidi bidi such principles brought forth as will be lie for our mutual good and benefit and hid fid acceptable thour to our com corn father and god I 1 have often thought in connection with our ser eer vices here in the Ta bernale tabernacle thal that bat hat it should be a te testimony Almony not only to the latter day saints hut to strangers who may inay visit ns in regard to the work in which we are gre engaged the manner in fri which ou our preaching is done elders riders come into the congregation with no anticipation whatever ot of weing being called upon to address the people duang rig zig the week they have possibly been engaged in their various avocations as farmers aa as artisans as meehan i ics acs of various grades and lind kinds kinde as merchants and in the different walks of life and they possibly come to the meeting and into tha the congi congregation degation with their minds filled with the bl business ess of the previous week when the they y are we called upon to stand bedore before a of one two three ilves rives five or an ten thuu thun thousand people and preach to ahr them the words of eternal life A congregation gre gation of that size biza elsewhere in ln the christian world to td edity edify jojn to instruct them would require considerable preparation upon tipon the pare of themi the minister nister ulster but it is nots bots not so 0 w with ith ath us as a deop people le elders are called to the stand without hm 9 i meitha warning angor or time to prepare what they may have to say or what they may be expected to say and it looked fj strange tome to me when 1 first in entered a congregation of the saints and nd saw this thib manner of procedure it doubtless looks strange to many today who visit us bugyie but nut we rely on the promises of our savior though made many hundreds of years ago we eon consider sider these p promises promises still good and in force and that mat in the hour we are called upon to proclaim the words of eternal ilfe life he jae will give unto us words to speak we shall speak by the inspiration of that spirit which leads leada guides and directs us unto all truth in the passages that I 1 have just read especially in the verse verge reference is made madoza 10 christ jebus jesus of 0 f Nazareth who had come forth in the NY day aldage and ana age an ju which these words were spoken in a lowly manner from the city olty of nazareth prom proc cl claiming aimini ceria certa certain ildi lidi principles certain ideas and certain doctrines As it happened these thase principles ideas d and doctrines were not ppul popular ar gla tia in the section of country in which he was preaching at that particular time He taught cert cort certain alra alfa to the people which the mass masa of mankind by whom he was surrounded did not receive did riot accept and did not believe on tho contrary thoy they used every kealii meane means in their I 1 power po tier teer vier to tb thwart wafe the carrying out ot 0 thia thie designs of the tea tia vior the bringing forth of the thu principles aa and tho thu promulgation of t thu the b momand lat wat jesus and those by whom he was jy surrounded proclaimed As the result of this opposition which lasted some considerable length of time times this thia ragn man jesus jf of nazar nazareth e th was wa populace libee and abd by and pharisees Pharis ees ces and aad min latera priests of that day and a i n d crucified r and mild ea id they ale let it big bis blood be he upon our heads and tile tiie the headson head or our chili children renly considering it betten better that du one e rama man should the whole nei net nelion nation nallon nii ion boiled ired coed away they considered gati DAti hat bat cahey aio ato allowed wed this mau mail to tok go onabe world would follow atter alter him therefore this hereby heresy thib this delusion thi this gigan gigantic fic that h had bad ad up must be done pone away awty ith and the only wax way to do dolt doit it was 11 to 0 kill mil jesus whom ta aney looked upon upon as an au impostor As a result they crucified him doubtless anticipating that that act would woul astop stop the work that he had buim started thau thai from the day of his hla crucifixion his jollo followers would dwindle and fall fail away and that 6 d eldib loa ioa he had been preaching would ho no longer be heard on t the tho nue dee face of the earth well weli A to a vain lain tain extent they were correct edt eit in thlu alpeter tl Peter doubtless as prophet beer neer and revelator saw this feature in ert eyt the rb etu efu future in telling them that they hati hal eird bird crucified elfland the christ thy savior 0 of the world he refined reminded them that the heavens recede thib this man he could no longer dwell with them ih the flesh he big had come forth and was wai born upon the earth was baptized the holy ghost bina li n fhe the bodily to form torm m of a i duvy dovy he be had tum tuf milled fulfilled his hits mission he was wag crucified barted batted and and had bad ac ascended into heave heaven jo nat naturally ur aily ally hia hla friends and vina followers would asic the question how fo long iong g id is he to remain there throughout all au the ages aged of eternity oh no for at the time of hig his ascension when his disciples stood looking at him ascending on OU high there stood two angels by their thel ilde fide ide who hvid ye men of galileo why stand ye yo gazing up into heaven this barme earne jesus which is taken up from you into heaven henjen shall bhail 0 o gome come in like manner mannor as ye yo have seen 46 en him him go into info lh heaven they had hail the comiso pro misti given unto them mom from the lips of noly holy angels thau thai in fike ilke manner a b je had ascended lh ih a L body of flesh f hand fand nd bo bone nie nia in like manner should he hd I 1 return to th the a earth pter then informs ns us how iong long 11 he 0 Is gd going to from the earth informs laiq us what length of time he is 14 to 0 ab abide idid edid in the heavens whom the heavens must receive until the times of restitution of all things i it m must aist be bd then theu that something would caeto have to be taken from t tho the earth to enable the thie bringing abd about U ofa ota of a restitution ae AP for iastan instance c e i it would bs be impossible for a ma man to restore back to me sop VoT something I 1 had bad i never been laden in possession of it would be impossible to return back to the earth som something ething eibing that the earth had never possessed it would be bb ifil impossible to restore back to the human family that which they had never neker poses pos essed sed seo then to make a restitution it anut A be that there would be restored baek hack to the earth certain th things inis certain principles certain doctrines certain ideas that had once been extant on the face of the earth others of the apostles and prophets seers and rovela revelators tors of the lord jesus christ in their thein day and age looked forward to this time isaiah tells us that the time ume should come when the earth eartha hould should mourn and fade away and languish why because they have transgressed the laws changed the ordinance and broken the everlasting cove covenant 11 1 1 certain principles were advanced when jesus was upon the earth they were advanced by him and by oy nis followers the disciples and those who believed in his mins migs mission loile prominent among these principles that were advanced wab was the principle that he advanced in regard to himself he spoke of his having come from the father and peter in la speaking cf this matter in one of bf his epistles says saye who verily was foreordained fore ordained before the foundation of the world y going further black back into history as we vre have it here in holy writ we find that god bad spoken to some of the prophets in times of old in regard to 10 the same principle lyie jile said be he to jeremiah before I 1 formed thee in the belly I 1 knew thee and before thou camest earnest forth ont out of the womb I 1 sanctified thee and I 1 ordained thee I 1 a prophet unto tho nations 1 again w w we e find in the writings of job 1 speaking df odthe the t the e v world i that the abts bons sons of god routed d for foi joy when w hen ben the the earth was laid again one ono of the writers in holy writ in speaking on this subject i said then Theng hali hail hall the du dust e t return to fo the earth as it was and the spirit shall return unto god who gave it itske it as a logical con eon consequence seq defice that it would be impossible to return to a place where we had never been thac at would be im impossible p 0 to return to god if jf we wp had not been in hla hia presence I 1 find in the ther passages thab that I 1 have quoted an allusion to fhe be pre exist ence we have had bad similar to that thal which jesus taught of himself when he was upon the earth As aj he and his hia disei disel disciples ples pies passed along tho the road they founta a in man an who bad had been blind from hib hia birth disciples refer fefe reil to jeus jeub je jeub us and asked who did sin this man or oz blagar hia bia parents that he was born blind it I 1 the result of the blind blindness nes s was sin of the mau man certainly that sin must have been committed before the birth in the flesh it iscar gely possible that a man would llave nave xa 0 o be punished in this kayin way in the ex pec tation of hla hia committing a ih that 1 lea idea is reserved for in men iirth 6 nineteen nineteenth th century we wo as ag a adb people know that men in hundred ii and thousands of cases are judged and condemned before they ar are proven guilty that idea however Is not promulgated dby by divine huth authority tho th ritY I 1 find then their in a f thise husth pai passages sages a proof of 06 pre exist ence enee 0 of these spirit 4 of af pf ours which inhabit our tabernacles those that I 1 see before me thil this afternoon aa as well as my own I 1 nind find in all of the world that ae e have any knowledge of or wherever I 1 have had the privilege of colbi coming li in con cop tact witti the childred chil chii drea dreo of bf cen zon men that there is what we call fall d death eath comes to them and I 1 find they almost although though doea to a certain extent ex lat in the christian world today to tb day that when we bring this body of ot flesh and bone this outward ou t ward covering r of tho the spirit there is a spirit that has inhabited that body that goes somewhere isyou if you yon please that when it leaves this thi earth it exists as a spirit er or has an existence outside of this body of 0 flesh and bo bone ne and I 1 aiso also fina find as ns a giari general eral thing that the human famila recognize that that spirit has and aud I 1 moreover I 1 gina find lathat that the great mass masa ot 0 the christian world believe belleve that thae that spirit irit h has not only In intelligence but that it A can paini pain and caneD can enjoy joy af pf pleasure sure As for fir instance istance we hear people apeck in regard to xo those of their household who have passed away hway fral fram m their midst they have bu burled buried riad the theody boily of flesh and bone and it may mo matilder tilder away in a the grave yet they feel to say the spirit has gone behind the vail vall and when we go there we expect to meet we aiso alao find th the so called follow ers erlof bf the thelford thel lord jord jes jesus a s christ today to day in talking on this thia subject assert that the spirit has gone to a place of punish punishment ment where it ja or that it has gone to aplaca of enjoyment joy ment where itcan enjoy in other oiher words that this spirit within ua us is something that is tangible something that can reason teason something that can fene tense and feel pain or enjoy pleasure in jil other words worda when we come to examine this matter when we come to ase ate ascertain ertain the truth in relation to if i we mid find that the spirit that inhabits this thia body the shir spir spirits its that inhabit the bodies of the human family I 1 16 the inteli intelligent part of them thern itis it is the part that receives light nud nod knowledge it is the part that was created before the foundations of the earth were laid a and nd which filch hiis has colbe come upon the earth parth to tabernacle in the flesh and when hen len we have done with this body of flesh and bone the spirit as fain far as light and linow knowledge ledge is concerned iet let ains its identity andeits and its knowledge knowledg 6 one very erroneous ides idea that bas baa crept into the minds of 0 the hsini human an fai fat family tilly and one that we find ed in the minds of our chil chii children dren dran is this A kind of a vague indistinct impression that when we lay down this body of flesh and bone we isy lay down the frailties and imperfections of this Ihla ilfe life not if the words ot this boob book the bible bibie bre are true for we wo find that those spirits after having gone behind the vail vat accor according dirig to the apostle peter had to be preached to for for this thia cause paya saya has hab tas he be was the gospel preached also to them that are dead that they thuy might be ladled according to men in hi the flesh tiesh fleshy but to god in the tho they needed to bo preached to to enable them to fc live to the spirit mit rit andas we find in tt sT r peter hays hayr siby qc alel he went and uz preach td 1 spirits in prison which hozt to were whenn when conot long suffering of days of noah 11 that in connection with tit ler lei if many of our uaea k I 1 I 1 would stop and reflect borill eor for mints menta in regard to tj would be a benefit to tze tue wa would but bat 4 they unde Tj comprehend that the 14 the weaknesses in dl bulge ige the frailties frail tims ties to hh gemme become accustomed add and not nut right that they go vib wib n lb into to the spirit world theil then repented of or turned troi 1101 would hesitate before beed beco becony dietel dieted to 0 many 11 p the tib do seeing that the habla habitat contacted will remain with them unless the tati ed of buu but repentance t pen tance there buet cr cw progress or exultation exaltation W reach them worlds v glik all the thoughts and thet indulge in hereth here the eidee eidew obtain the principles t til c ome come partakers par takers of are ar g their r n nature atu re an and d t they 4 e 3 vill will abi abl abider a with ith us through nilles to come for fot or good gac th there erg tire are certain ls aar lir ii rules a certain cystic j which controls leadia 1 till I this thia great plan 1 pies plea were taught bj when he was waa upon the theia were noc not popular howsia A they dad not chime t lacas locas A ol 01 that day addi andi sod f world sald bald pharisees Pharis ees a and tuese these gia gla claih sh vi ocular or peculiar ila ida we admit them for oneat the fabri fabric c we have hare built j will wiil tumble tunable to the ground groom 1 not |