Show or OF mr MB CROUNSE on the 20 poland C atad utah eilt blu in the U S house of 1 rune tune and 2nd 1874 I 1 mr zin CROUNSE will tile tiie gentleman 1 mr poland allow mu me it a single remark mr POLAND not a word CROUNSE Mr I 1 hope the previous question will not be sustained this bill is too important to be forced through under the previous dues clues tion it at ought to be amended before it passes ir if it passes at a all nil the SPEAKER the gentleman from vermont withdraws the motion to recommit commit re i and asks tle tie previous question on the passage of the bill mr bickem mcken will not the gentleman from vermont permit me to move as a substitute for the pending bill one due of his own blik bilk mr POLAND no sir mr mr eldredge I 1 a appeal peal to the gentleman from vermont not to insist on the previous question the gentleman fro from rh utah as s here and has a right to bo heard beard upon a measure affecting his own people as this does mr nir POLAND I 1 will give the gentleman from utah i three quarters of the rema remaining luing ining liou hour r I 1 would be glad to allow more time for eli eil discussion acus on this b bill hut at this stage of the thu se session klon kion it ii 11 i 1 i 1 Imms impossible sible sibie mr time ahr e quarters of an hour would scarcely give the gentleman from uta utah 4 time to re view the provisions of this bill it is one that vitally ann aff act the in tereas of ochia his hib people and I 1 think he ought not to be cut on holn hoiu hoin the op po tunit of debate the previous ous quei question tion was seconded the maln main afan ovon was then ordered 4 i 1 the SPEAKER efti we the gentleman from vermont t one hour to close debatt dehate debate mr para pata POLAND I 1 yield thre of the leni ieni remaining ining huu hou to lie hie tle the delegate delte from utah elther eithur to use himself or to yle yield yil jd tO otherA othena mr cassar cawi of utah 1 X I yield ten i minutes m incle 9 L to atte gentleman croul nebraska mr mr mr isle speaker as a member oi the on the territories I 1 have had bad hadame b i th question involved in thi this 4 bill rend and idid edid hope that tha opportunity bould present itself when wen r present to rhe the moue moua mou a some or of the wd co s i which are here involved and which relate to the details of tah bill III in id tho consideration of a question ao important as this tile the house hoube cannot afford to be swayed ak or governed by passion or prejudice standing up tero tere here in defense of wini what I 1 believe to be prop proe pro r syb system terri of law lor for ribe nibe the government of this territory I 1 declaim in n adv advance ance otly any i sitf ion lon A to 0 de defend th the es polygamy libY gamy gams I 1 an aal dot not hero here nor for that eo but I 1 am hore here to join hands with all who wish to put down this system by proper and legitimate rne ine mealii iii uli sir hir we should not ilot confound this guition que qui tion of polygamy villi midi the citi question quention estion or framing a proper salem of laws to govern the territory or of utah Our action upon this hill hlll will become a precedent for the tile future if today to day we can under the guise of an assault on dom frame a system of laws which in the future may be evoked as a precedent in order to oppress people of other territories it ill would be jadeed a dangerous step stop cpr us ua to take I 1 regrets regret sir the sentiment that I 1 see displayed around me within the he hearil hearing aril arll of my voice when I 1 was contending here that this tills bill should be submitted to proper consideration by the house houe and that the previous ous question should not bo insisted on without full tuil of its several provisions ions I 1 heard gentlemen say that they tiley did not care what was in the bill that they were going for it anyhow sir if we act in such a A cirit as that what hope is the there re for any people who are to be run ran down doin by the united states government ern ment upon the question in relation to the government of the territory of utah the tho gentleman frum from vermont mr poland seems to have identified himself with the subject from tile tho very outset the annals annais of congress show that each session a 4 poland bill has been lub int introduced reduced it is generally introduced on the first liay day of the se silon and is 14 referred berred to the committee on cherer the fer for ri tories and to tile the ommittee on the judiciary Itse it seems ems emi that this gentleman has taken inn familiar language the job of fixing up the affairs of utah and when I 1 respectfully asked the libert ilbert liberty to propound a question while tile the gf gentleman ritie litie han nan was making a statement lie lle here he found it convenient to den deny me e the right of propounding interrogatories pr or correcting what I 1 regarded as mis misstated ants when lie he would tolerate onerato ol erate erato other gentlemen whom lie he knew to be in sympathy with the bill the Tho gentleman irom mississippi al api mr mckee could get up and interrogate him at pleasure and it was co convenient and pleas ant for this to be dune done but the tile gentleman knew froimy from my connection with the bill that it would perhaps not be profitable to tol toi tolerate erato any questions on oil my part mr foland roland I 1 certainly intended no discourtesy diacou reesy to gentleman the I 1 had only fifteen minutes in chioli to explain the bill and I 1 had no time to yield for interrogatories if the language I 1 used to the gentleman appeared to bo be discourteous I 1 beg his pardon mr crounse CRoux sF I 1 accept the apology but the facts are there and the inference can be drawn when I 1 wanted to make an inquiry and correct a statement misstatement inis at that time the gentleman could not tol erate orate a question no sir sit not a bit of it but when other ahers propounded Irl inquiries quirles then thero there was opportunity and a disposition to io allow them to doso boso do so I 1 now in order to make this bill palatable to t the ite lie house if I 1 may use xue uee the term it must tuu t be prefaced with acome imaginary grievances or the statement of a condition of affa affairs ains airs which really does dues not exist it becomes pet bet eskary to reter leer away hack haek to the early history of people when they avvie isolated away ot off and when they ahey had im imi i pored ored and antl inflicted upon them united states stales officials who by their arrogance became intolerable at such a time they may have adv e rebelled and such sueh circumstance must be made a pretext for calling forth action on the part of congress today to day but I 1 say look over the territory of utah today to day and see where is the is talked of here where is the defiance Ip flange flance of law cari cali yass antl anti and anil can acau i jah the e organic act organizing gan izing tile the territory and by mch wco which the arg allowed to 10 aake jaws laws for ves look over i those hose lays laya and find compare compain them filth ath the laws laws of any other biller territory odthe of the united if states abates and then th en bee beo where s they fall short inot one word Q rd is bro brought aught forward here bew hew bei 1 yand general assertion that things are all wrong wo thre ther for the foundation efthia nolon acob aboh ou tho the part of congre congles Con gres s the gen gon gentleman flenall says say s that while the united states appoints its in marshal r marshai the territory in I 1 n defiance of aai awi a appo apDo appoints boiu ints ts its mar man has hai why is s th thi 6 the office of united states marshal marshai is ia as s distinct from ia the 0 ftfe of terr orial marshal marshai as i s day froin filos files r i diu dju erent A 0 O 11 no 1 i 1 ch arged g e with I 1 th the tild ell all ei L vt of afi ne writ ote ete froin from the united states courts and in united states cases I 1 have llave the record lecora of a cae cao here where the judges who wt re ent nent out to utah attempted to iet i et aside abide the territorial marshal marhal that territory saw nit fit under its laws to appoint a marshal for what for the disposition of matters arising under their laws lawland and in no way in conflict with the laws of the united states now wow ow that they have a right to do I 1 if that id denied them then oneff one of the first principles of a republican system or of government is gone and wiped out when a people iu in it a Terri territory tory fory connot bo be accorded the right to ernet their own laws those that relate to themselves as long as they do not conflict with the constitution of the united states and if they cannot select their own officers to execute those laws then I 1 say ytm abu are aro striking down the vely very first principles of american liberty you are taxing men without depre representation eu tation you are demanding obedience rice rlee to laws law which they have no voice in making and you foist folst upon them officers to execute the laws liti under derno no ity to the people governed it Is id a proposition unheard of in the his jils tory of american law jaw making or jurisprudence I 1 gay then tilen that the charge br brou oury glit gilt b t here was that they elected a territorial marshal marshai in defiance or of the laws law of the united provided a united states slates marshal judge mckean of the supreme court of that Terr territory itol itoi ry took that position a position never nevek taken before in any oiher territory of the united states that case was brought to the supreme court ol 01 of the united states ami ani how was it terminated there I 1 have the xe je cord before wv inai but cannot take time to read it il here is the information tiled filed by the united states officer and the answer of the territorial rit orial marshal marshai where he be distinctly says that he disclaims any right to interfere in the control of united states afna afra affairs irs that he is elected under the organic art act relating to the affairs of utah ulah U ia elected luc lec ted led by the legislature of ut ulah ulab 1 and in pursuance stia stra uce nce of that election lie he acted in the discharge dise diso harge of his duties as such sueh in fc erving writs and es which emanated from the court as far as they related to territorial matters for instance the calme of larceny 3 murder or any offense which is made such by the laws of the territory of utah in thoe cases where the processes went forth through the territorial marshal marshai ma rahal lie he executed the writs and processes pro cesse as he had hai a right to do antl antt wi as he should cothey involve involving no infraction of any law or of tile the united states but that phat hat I 1 say ia 13 made an omen oten otense offense se ahu I 1 it aked a ked hed from the gentleman from venant Venn nt I mr poland the privilege of in ing him that I 1 might in quie wilether whether or not the tile united states slates ates had not ilot sustained that thai position I 1 was denied that courty courtesy cour tess less lesy this hilti fali must be pushed down our throaty throat my as though this house were a lot of wil wll willita willing liti subjects oni ool only toil t too oo 00 ready and anxious to go to any y length that gentlemen may d dictate dictate this measure is tu to bo be put through under the whip and spur of the previous question n but an hour mue oue poor hour is given to the tile of matter mattern mJ involving ing the rights of one hundred and thirty five thousand deop people e whose only fault Is is that t they hey entertain religious convictions dir dit dering from those thoe entertained by gentlemen here I 1 tell you dr hir i it will not do for this congress to assume a mock regard for particular laws while unmindful of others let every man turn his sight inward let him jilin stand before the forum of his own conscience let iet him a ak ask k himself whether he has any re legious convictions at all men have none at all are perhaps too apt to be intolerant toward those who have I 1 say that while I 1 deplore the system prevailing in utah while I 1 am not in sympathy with that form of religion while I 1 desire and hope that in the progress ot civilization it will be wiped out I 1 hope the american Nm erlean congress will viii not nol act hastily in this reaud As I 1 wish wish to be sparing paring 4 or of the time of the gentleman from orom utah mr cannon I 1 can only say that I 1 la did hope to ass assail all ali this ibis bill III lii in its details there hrc are several beveral views I 1 would like td fd submit in which I 1 am t a ati tined nned nied this rousse would concur with me I 1 am siri satisfied that this house would not riot upil spoil il deliberation enact tah ifo llo 0 seeming anomaly of having one oue set et ur eople 1 a mai mal rn ika laws while 6 officers 11 14 11 appointed by I 1 iother lother at and aud distinct authority rno alo I 1 to execute thoe those law lawn IN why by sir tir by tb Is in ed ing ou strike down the very lawmaking law making power iti i tf tsei elf eif el f if I 1 f those th ose people cannot can not nol have their own marshals hals hais and their own prose prosecuting euting attorneys to proceed against ond off anses arising under their own lawn laws they will make no laws r they will wipe out their laws entirely ene if they cannot have a voice e in executing them M camine all II 11 the laws lawe that havo been passed d since the organization of this government ern ment and where will you jou nind find that thab any like thi this has been anac enacted mr eldredge ELDR tho the gentleman will allow me to suggest to fo him that the marshals selected by the tho local authorities of bf utah sustain precisely the tho same bame relation to that territory that our Sheri sherl sheriffs flIs bear to the respective respect ivd states there theire is no difference or distinction in that regard mt nir anbu sr precisely thatis that is what I 1 wish to have understood tood food by the houe house that we w aro are asked to enact a law which is in an de defiance flanco flance of all precedents in our legislation and for in no reason because the str sir system stepa of polygamy if it is to be assailed at all ail al iv it to bp be under the laws of the united states Con congress gress greas should not and I 1 say cannot in consistency with the tho principles r underlying our institutions s enact jaws laws that will thrust upon that people a set of government officials responsible to no ono one except the government here at washington I 1 say that this people does not deserve such treatment aside from the question pai their religion they are ent entitled tied to thi the tho e same rights tights and privileges illges which would je be claimed in behalf bf any ot other ll 11 er people tey they have shown themy themselves elves elvei ves vei law abiding and industrious you may look overall oven dver ali ail the states and territories of this thi union and n nowhere i will you find the ibe rate or of taxation Jg lighter lter iter than iri irn that territory in this respect thle thie people of that territory have bave ave avo made a record which ought to be the envy or of the general government and of every state government I 1 say bay that thal people who have behaved in this mau man mauner manner ner tilh should ouid not iiri bring n g do down wn upon their heads the enactment of laws which must simply operate to enrich united states officials and turn the people over bound hand and foot to the tender mercle mercies of lor officers whom they have no voice in choosing while I 1 would not antagonize the bill in gross I 1 hocq that a u presented hete here and sought to be fl formed forced through it will by be voted down and that the opportunity moy may be jie given to correct and modify it in tho thoe e essential particulars |