| Show from from prom the american agriculturist breeding in and in A cattle breed ers reply no noimi iii ili As I 1 did not fully answer all au mr clays strictures on this subject in tha the at march arch number of the I 1 now cow submit gome some further farther remarks the subject la Is too important to the great mass or of american stock bleeders breeders bre eders edera to be passed over with a few sweeping or positive flourishes of the ped pen on either side and having taken mi my position I 1 propose to carry it out in now noticing the remaining points in that gent lemans lemana march article ath FALSE knoor ur clay denies that bakewell batewell bred in and in with his improved stock block particularly part his bis sheep let us see gee bakewell finding the animal which he wanted not made ready to bis his hand band yet the material out of which to breed it abounding in reveral several mb tub varle verle ties of the iong long breed bad to byln somewhere ere and like a sensible man made bis big selections to commence with from the best beet be could fand findy irrespective of what particular namey name or locality so that they were of the breed bretti he be wanted viz viza long iong abeel that tbt would take on high flesh at atan an early age of the best specimens that he be could get gety both rams and thesy ewes be formed his bli flocks fiock and then he bred intensely in and in until be got what be la in tended to get when he be started lie ile did renne refine the long sheep and got it tip up to perfect carcase carcass in size form and weight unequalled unequal led by any ny other breeder of his day and to so he left his sheep at his hla death which bad acquired such celebrity that to this day they huld buld the names bidewell bakewell Bi kewell dishley Dl shley and new leicester the names of himself his bis farm and county synonymous yn terms as a distinct breed that tha t Bak ewells successors did not maintain the standard of his bis flocks in to all their high qualities proves nothing further than that they did not inherit intent or purchase bake wells skill and brains aa as well as his bis sheep bakewell aiso also ruay baye bare bred for some tome other quality in his sheep which his successors either did not want or com comprehend and they inay inky hav bavo ailed failed f in gething their own demand demaud on out ont toft tott of them bern bat that is of no consequence to the principle bakewell did succeed in his bis object retting getting a finely developed race of sheep steep out of coarse and common material aerial by a persistent course of in and in breeding with the leng long horned cattle cattie which mr bakewell found la in an advanced tate state of perfection so far as bym gym netty metty of form and a capacity to take on flesh olesa was concerned be he adopted in and in breeding to an extreme degree maintaining after several years practice et that tb t he la had bad much improved them see description of the longhorns g in you Tou aita aits british cattle cattie Ca itie itle london edition ath COLEMAN ON THE tue mr clay will excuse me roe for declining to rec receive el ve the authority of 0 mr I 1 coleman goleman in the stock iane linean an estimable gentleman in all i the he moral and social relations in life but a theorist only I 1 Y n his knowledge of farm stock and not likely to 0 draw his from the best beat lx alx authorities tib As to the authority ot of K R L I 1 alien allen which mr 0 quotes I 1 coincide entirely with mr uras ays remarks coupled with the conditions which he be attach attaches ra to them seh JONAS WEBB unfortunate here again mr webb does breed closely in and in he so says hlin blin himself sells and it itis ills Is a f act of universal notoriety all over england where his bis sheep are known that it Is BO so I 1 do net not assert that he never goes out of 0 his own flock for a cross ile he may do so soy boy now and then but where can be he better him belli seiti lie he has different f amlie families in hia hla own flocks from one to theother theo ther iber of which he cross crosses 9 but they are essentially of the same origin and blood webbs system la Is that of in and in breeding to all intents and purposes purpose sp although perhaps not so closely as some others in reply to my remark of prices Here nere herefords fords being in andin and in ln bred for forty years it is not argumentative in mr clay to say 1 I know nothing of the hertford herd alluded to but venture that it the truth troth were all known aa A oattie cattle breeder would be as wide of the mark there as in the bakewell case and the studbook it if M mr r clay can show me wrong by aut authority bority good but simple assertion will not do mr price was a man of character well known in england he made that statement many years ago over his own name in the biltl britch h farmers magarine magazine a work of acknowledged authority in england in an elaborate article on lie ele hereford reford cattley cattle prepared tor for that publication which none who knew him disputed i we will see about the studbook stud book before we get through As to the coll collings ings ch charles charies ari art es in paTti particular cular the next subject of mr clays criticism we will not talk about his galloway cross which I 1 think as little of as mr clay does butof the cattle prope I 1 concede that he obtained his bis original breeding breedl breedi ns stock of other and older breeders bleeders bre eders and the very best he could get in all the short biorn region consisting of a rare lot of coasy cow and the bull hubback which bull by the way he only used and bred f from rom two years but the descendants of that bully bull buil both in bulls Foll jambe a grandson of hubback hub nub back beck mr C asser asserted tedi did bis his subsequent stock the most service and lieff hearer ero pro he kept and bred tc geth gether er inand in and in to the vry vory closest at ard aid d in all possible ways in some instances to the third and fourth direct generations that Is isy toy a bull to his own daughters granddaughters grand brand daughters etc as in the case 0 f favorite he ila had bad different families or tribes cf of cattle I 1 admit taking their names and genealogies on the dams side f from rom the original cows from which they sprung but they were mainly from the same bulls bells as were robert Collin glop his brother broiher tro ino Iro iber with whom he interchanged bulls on frequent occasions I 1 do not say how bow much the collings improved their herds beyond the originals from which they descend descended edy eoy or whether they improved them a at t all but we have neter never heard beard that bat the short horns deteriorated lert teri orated in their thein hands bands and it is quite certain that when they sold their herds and retired from breeding no cattle in england stood flood higher than theirs or brought greater prices and it if any instances of closer breeding can be found than they practiced throughout their whole career as breeders bleeders bre eders I 1 should like to know it the pages of foales herd book vol 1 I will corroborate my assertion since the days of the colling collings although many years c botempt with them the late thomas bates of f kirk 0 leaving leavington tony tons stood at the bead and front of english shor short t ctorn breede bre eders raj until his big death ile lie had bad some tome of his best stocky stock male and tern fern female aley alej from both the collings and the blood of their herds in others he ile bred ln in aal an 1 luy lup lo intensely never going out of his own b herd erd for a bull with any suc success cessy except in one instance that of belvedere and be he a descendant of R colling collings herd closely bred in and ins ing in through bis big ancestors for many generations back in other hai hot hands ads A second cross direct from belvedere en on his own daughter dutchess 3 lih lib produced the best bull bellso so publicly acknowledged in all england edgland duke of northumberland igo 1940 that dutchess blood wilh with the Oxford Ox fords sy descendants of the Mat matchem chein cow which he introduced to his big herd in the year 1631 by persistent in and in breeding the latter and her hr stock to his Dutch dutchess ems egg bulls of the he belvedere crobsy cross and afterwards by their own crosses raised his big herd to the highest point of reputation which their descendants still maintain both in england and the united state states next to mr bates stood and now stand the booths always prize winners on their cows wherever and whenever every they have showed they are and always have been in inand and ln in breedan deeply so go so was mason of ahll ton and Maynar maynard dp and wetherill sir charles knightly another celebrated name in the annals of short horns homs has long been an in and in breeder and so in tact fact tact fact were a majority it not all of the english short diioro breeders bleeders bre eders who acquired any high reputation in their herds indeed it Is useless to multiply instances of the kind not in cattle alone aloney but in every kind of domestic tock kotock down to dogs doga of every dlin rent breed as well as chickens and pigeons the two latter breed to a feathery feather in ill style and uni orm ity fly multitudes of cases could be named relating to tancy fancy animals particularly where striking prints characteristics tj and properties were required and only to be obtained by a concentration of bloody blood and with that mood combination of the qualities connected with it the inevitable tendency of descent in animal life Is to partake of the strong characteristics characteristic of the immediate parents parent in 10 the offspring more or less and the form appearance pea pe arance rancey rances and organization which predominate in them bat which if not strongly concentrated in such parents strikes off ta to their parents ancestry or collaterally ai as the case may be how now many instances do we constantly vita witness ess in the tha human family ai as well as in animals where the children much more resemble a grandparent parent or collateral relation than either of the immediate pa rental this arises from the aggregation of different strains trains of blod blood and different characteristics in the parents parent perhaps for generations back so diverse frequently that scarcely a rt lera mera semblance blance biance will occur between a large family of children we have bave seen a pair of black or brown haired parents having red light and sandy haired children with widely different complexions completions complex ions and forms and not a doubt of their legitimacy and all these those marks of f feature complexion and formy tormy torm form could be easily f in their collateral relatives relative of the previous generation mankind tn in personal and physical appear appearances nce uce treed breed 1 like ike the while whole animal world under the sime naturi 1 laws and condition and I 1 mention such instances tiene liere ai as being so 1101 familiar to almost everyday every day observation that I 1 no one will deny d ny it I 1 will nest nert falkof talk taik of other matters including nonae norae horses honses and alook ur t 3 1 REPLY TO MR lir lin CLAYS MAY ARTICLE in reply to mr clays no II 11 in the may agriculturist I 1 shall not be led off on in an issue which he himself has br madey maday made and aside asid from the original proposition with which I 1 first com commence merical I viz that in and in breeding of brute animals UNDER PROPER it Is frequently beneficial in promoting the highest development of physical perfection pert and not adverse to the ordinary course come of nature instead of con confining hii his remarks to my examples of the brute creation he be adverts to mankind to tol sustain his hypothesis po thesis ls and as I 1 am free to admit with much ingenuity maintains by various authorities a plausible case but bat mark me by entirely changing the ground of my argument to wit the bodily or physical development only as I 1 insist upon under certain condit conditions ioney while he be couples with it the mental and nervous temperaments and faculties on this branch maclay mr clay makes his strong strone argument I 1 am not going to argue this subject with him for tor the reasons that it Is not my proposition and that to elucidate the whole thing it would require more of research than I 1 have now the time to give it and take up mere more of the space of 0 an agricultural paper than you yon wo would uld be willing to allow yet I 1 will briefly advert to one or two ot of mr Cs propositions on page may agriculturist 1 I deny the statement as regards the greeks aad aid romans and call tor for the batay data etc 2 for indisputable cut current testimony of the domestic social and moral habits of the Romans in their highest state ot of civilization p power ower and renown just look into those parts of tob toe cities Pompel pompeii iq and herculaneum Hercula which have recently been tin nn from their volcanic covering of two thousand years their pictures statuary and everyday every day f familiar sights on which the most noble and exalted of their people indulged for recorded evidence a synopsis of many volumes of the chronicles of the obscenity incest and depravity of even the proudest historical names in both greece and rome home consult greek and roman history see also the glit gilt history story ct of prostitution 2 lately published by dr sanger of new york tork yorka a sani sanitary tary work of high value and not immoral tendency in addition to the many translated works which are there enumerated will be found names of books written by authors authority the depravity of whose language Is able into the english tongue all descriptive of the domestic habits and practices of the highest as well as the middie middle and lowest classes of the greek and roman people it close breeding was not practiced practised in those nations in their palm paim palmleaf pal pai lest leat state without public scandal or the de line ot of the he physical faculties for that reason alone bt the most powerful people of those period then history is j a falsehood As to the mental and moral deterioration of Inan mankind kind from a persistent course of in and in breeding as mr clay has begged that branch of the question he may have 1 his bis own way as I 1 have not f from rom the erat first disputed him I 1 named the guelph family of england to the tho physical not the mental side of the argument which he be in tact fact admits and that we may end this issue at once I 1 concede that in communities of people in a close neighborhood bor bo hoody boody on the same soils eating the same foods sting within the same range of objects and intelligence with like or local diseases disorders and sympathies pa thies both of mind and body closey close cloge and continued in er breeding may after a whiley while tell both on the mental and physical organization and it would also equally tell teil til on those organizations if people ever so tar far estranged in blood and locality but equally afflicted with scrofulous consumption or other hereditary or chronic or nervous or mental diseases were to intermarry and produce children it is a law of our physical nature that the iniquities of the fathers parents are visited upon and even unto the third and fourth generation 1 and so it is with everything brute as well as human and probably trotti cases under such circumstances are mr clays illustrations quoted to close on this branch of the subject I 1 quote from the southern cultivator an extract advert adverting ilig to the proposed georgia law named by mr clay olay what is the blood of any person or animal but a part of the food eaten within the previous 43 or perchance 60 hours the blood of no father or mother was ever eier the same game for six months in succession and |
