Show president WA nt A a address sunday 10 A at sept ll il 1853 after giving ingwoll you a brief explanation of the feels ills 0 of those aee who profess to bre be saints I 1 wish to flore give ive a little boimel coin seltis as I 1 have frequently arc done before to now naw comers co iners I 1 am aca acq fainted with th general dia disposition position of mankind and being also considerably acquainted with the cradit traditions I 1 ons under which their mandit feelings passions as judgment or I 1 will comprehend the whole whale ey by saying then consciences have been formed by pai enis teachers ministers mini and others who have cleie sed an influence over the young and tender igind mini these things are fmiller to me in a 1 I grat degree and have beey beel for roi mally m iiii vears I 1 see them manifested each day I 1 live the branches of the tree iee shoot forth and bear their fruit fisit and men can judge adge of he the nature of the tree rice by its fruit the iddings and sentiments ot of this people the latter day saints are varied they hey are far from being of one heart and of one m and nd of one judgment and d of one desire but I 1 have no doubt they come learer joeaner to isthan any other community upon the face of the earth this nis we know k now in reality tea lity the inhabitants of the earth eaith do not vary so jeo much in their senti sentiments manit as they do in in the ex W of them to each 0 other her this I 1 have good reason to believe when inen feelings and ideas are explained pla ined 4 people eople vary more in in language than in in bonti ment yet they differ widely in in their sentiments feelings customs habits habit and manner of life I 1 I 1 with regard to the kingdom of heaven now on the earth of which v inch we form a part we admit tile the kingdom of god has hai come many of us bel believed eved that th at years ago who be deved joseph smith was a prophet t who believed lie he had power ani and authority to establish it on the earth whit wh it were the feelings of the people almost universally umpei sally in in the infancy of this church men of science and talent in in this church chirch believed befi eved or they said they believed honestly truly and with all their hearts that thai joseph smith did not understand tand stand anything about temporal matters they believed he understood spiritual things that he be mider understood stood the spirit of tile the lord and how to build up the spiritual kingdom among men but when temporal matters were talked of men were ready to decide at once I 1 hat they knew moi moie e than the pi aph fit t about such matters matteis and did so decide were y you au to ask how many times men did so who did so ssi asa on what occasions they did so I 1 can answer you for I 1 am convenient wilh every tair circumstance cum stance that pertaining pei taming to temporal tempo ial gatters natters nat s from tile the first of my aquai nance with joseph sep h smith as a prophet ot of the lord lo 10 d the first elders eiders of tins this chui eh decided that joseph did not un tin ferstand dera der tand stand temporal tempos al matters the fi alist st B shops bishops of this his church said faid they believed with all their her heat heal that thai they understood temporal matters matteis far better th ri the prophet joseph are aie these the feelings of the people at the present time faey are not but bit I 1 i t to the ibe reverse se of it I 1 cou could id have said then the same that I 1 can say now if joseph joeph was livin if lie he could haye bare been believed and conn confidence lence pi iced in in him with regard to tempo at al matters matteis wealth we alth bould 1 ld have 1 been poured aito the laps of tills people to overflowing 4 0 win the remark emark that was wa made this morning is a tine one although the matter referred to is is small apparently but bul it is a fact there WAS not confidence bonfa lence it in the people enough to satisfy them that the prophet knew how to handle mony or ct what to do with it the they y did not bediye lie he knew kin w ho how W to 0 o manage temporal if affairs fairs this lack of confidence brought bro tight poverty and distress upon the t lie whole people when inon men came into midst who shut up tip the bowels of f their ann and held their money with they were held in in with us our faith was exercised for foi their we mingled with them ceib and gave them fellowship for foi a time yet one man with uth hs his tied up the whole people in many instances men man we e cut oft off for their covet abild because be ause they had not conal conn dence in the prophet pio phet and held beld then their substance tance when means were wanted to carty cany on the of god to send end the gospel to distant lands to sustain the pool pooi build houses and accomplish that which was feces sar aary y to be done while this m means eans was withheld mth held j i it t b brought r ight the aiole wi ole church condei condemnation nuat ion for this reason easop all had to buffer ting this w was as in in the tae days of the prop prophet liet Jos joseph epli have the people rL formed since i then hen perhaps a few of them m haec and again perhaps a great many man of them have not many have not had an tu anity to reform defoi m as there is a considerable portion of this community who haie hav e not had an acquaintance arth ith lie he they never associated with li m hey ahey have not had an ail opportunity appo of sustain sustaining ing ins his hands again there is is a 1 I certain cei lain portion or of tile the people who associated with h him m what would the people do now it if they by b then their voice could call him back to then their ind t would they be willing tu to lay their substance at his feet I 1 very much doubt do ab t it he was poor pool ha afflic afflicted tea and tormented aitu law lar suits upon law suits perse peise cution upon persecution and thus it cost chousa thousand ads IQ and hundreds bundi eds of thousands of dolla 3 to keep him A a live vo which a few had to ro sustain din 1 this aall affliction chion upon them now it is not the scene is reversed sed and as the people once thought Lp that many by one mn man will be unde pool pooi thy now believe behave by one man many will be made I 1 ich at the fie present day da I 1 do not know where the opportunity is to prove the people I 1 A r th there ere are re individuals heie and members dembei 3 of the that when the they y come up tip to this jai ai d daie are very careful to leave leare then their substance behind them and it if they have money to lend they are vety careful f al to lend it to pet pei sous soils who do no rot t belong to tile the church there are such present tr today daj I 1 they hey are aie fearful and unbelieving they did not believe it in the days c of of joseph that thai lie could tell them the truth but it if you asked them if they believed joseph was s prophet and if god sent betit turn him to build up ill the kingdom 40 0 yes auld be their i aply cal and yet they had not confidence to ask h lim m what they illey should do with the abe thousands in in their possession posses biot these are a fe few facts in the lai and exper experience lence of tile the prophet joeph eph I 1 how is it 11 now have the people confidence 9 thy they say they have arid are they willing willing to tat take e I 1 counsel toey say they are As it was ob observed seved here this moi aing when we ve wish anything done the people are ready and willing to raise their ha hands ads I 1 o accede to the pio propositions positions male by their leaders do db you remember what I 1 told tola 3 oc a few f ew sabbath sal Sabu jath ath ago viz viz adis tn is whole people dle dl ai e willing to receive counsel but them are willirm to cair cairy Y it oui in to the very letter the f liture will prove that 1 I is not proven by sitting on your seats and simply ras i a sing 3 our oui hands bands as a token ocen a covenant a witness to I 1 god and angels that you ou ai aie b ready to lo lake counsel and also cai i y it wit out for men faeo of liu ciple and seemingly of good sense sene ito to believe the pop pi oplies tiet joseph n 4 no was inspired t tu build up the kuig doat of god goa tempos temporally ally as well a spiritually dit did not know as r quell much about a picayune As s about boua god igual king kingdom anui about abou t a fat fai in as gibout the new jerusalem J ei is roily folly in the extreme it i is it i the sup superlative dekiep those wak blui such ideas ought to have their heads well combed coi libed and subjected to a fivel lively y couise of friction that a luila little common sense sens may emay adawi upon their confused ideas consult your own judgments y in in such such matters D dv you think that god would set a man mail to lead his peo ill pie who does not know as much about a picayune or a farm as about gods spiritual kingdom or 01 tin the new jerusalem shame on oil those zo who w would uld entertain such ideas for they debase and corrupt the hearts of the community who imbibe them according to the sentiments of some of the latter day faints the lord must most have become fully III high li in h the jast dast days I 1 should think he lias has iz become too proud ac cording to their beli efto notice farms farm 3 tid and other little affairs and transactions eions that pass around us he used to notice the very hairs of om our heads that tell and the apau aws Ws lie took care caie of the ruven ravens arid and watched over tile the eh children ildren of ishael and supplied all then their temporal wants but boutwe we say now nov he does not condescend to lo given us an understanding and we know what to do are aie not these th ill ot of the people I 1 coula refer to some little lit ie things by way of 0 example but it would hit some I 1 li 6 rather too publicly let me ask that brother it if you have not thought in your heart you ou would not go to lo brother B other brigham fai I 1 counsel tor for fear he would counsel you to go to lo I 1 A bome aw e place you did not want to go still you say 1 I livi believe this is the kingdom of god and I 1 do not noi I 1 lantto wan tto to cobe cacoff m it contact with brother brigham I 1 do abt wish to lim ahro for fear lie be shall come in in contact with my calculation sand what I 1 have decided up aptt in ib ny igind 1 I 1 could put my iny hand ficon some of I 1 w who entertain such thoughts 1 ya w ill refer lef eryou you now to the counsel I 1 wi w wished hed i t to dm edthe jile b en who have 1 tely come ini into 0 the city fesa the E east ast I 1 have heretofore counselled counseller coun selled new sonin omer to go to the south or to the north for wf vf jye ra raile ilai north th and south many of the people here have their friends who have come in in this season and some are still on the plains who will be in in in in a few days I 1 have been in the habit of saying saving to the brethren you take families a and tit I 1 sett settle I 1 e in such a and you take 50 and settle in m yonder place but I 1 never h have ave given such h counsel for the guidance of the he brethren that it lias has not raised i one cue continual whining saying sayin 1 t I want t ago go to another place tor for there is some where I 1 you want roe me to go eo that I 1 do not hikell like rather think brother Brig harn thinks I 1 a am ill not tried and proven sufficiently and he be wants to p put tit me in in circumstances to finish hy ti ing ng in me e 11 that thai is is the reason I 1 I 1 want v ant you to go liere here or there and the reason why you e compla om plaD n for when men art aie thoroughly tried trie d they are ready to go to any place ahers they are told to SO go and when n they axe are told my counsel cou isel now to new comers is is to 0 o do just what you have a mita to and go 0 o where you please ir you CAN you may ay so 40 and settle in in any part pai t of the Terri foly t that 11 ifa you please lease and birther moie e you cail imago 17 90 to a ayou if you wish I 1 have ha e told you ou what you yon may do I 1 will now tell you what you may not do you may try to 0 o gather gaer a little company and so go to settle a place where there here areno are no inhabitant 1 yu you cannot with my consent go to a any n y place pace unless it is is to a city that is is or 01 will be wal walled I 1 ed in if you go from this city go to a nei neighborhood h I 1 where you can be defended from ther the ravages av a gas 0 of f indians or other evil ei il designed I 1 persons bro david fullmer this morning talked about working all our lives upon a wall if it were necessary necess iry but the wall wo nye contemplate making here is not a breakfast spell 1 calculate to keep wailing until the mountains around us become an ail im impregnable able defence we have now on ha hand lid is is not a circum circumstance stance I 1 will t ill venture to aty a ty ly that bro bi oP sparley arley Parley P pratt has got ajob a job on oil hand infinitely more inore exten extensive siv than the walling in of the whole territory of utah his work was given to him 16 years a ago go by the prophet joseph smith in in tho the kirtland jenipe Te nipe purle parley y P pratt piatt liaa has yet to build temples in ii old scotland the scotch brethren bro hren might bialt say sa what is is tile the use then of our coming to cheso tit ese distant valle valleys a so far from our native counti country va had you not better belter write to your brethren who are still in scotland to stay where they are thi think you ou he has to build temples here chere of greater magnitude than we have yet et contemplated when lie he wi vall 1 l do it I 1 do not know it is certain he will do it if he is is faithful but whether lie he will do it after the earth is is glo 1 i fied or before that time I 1 do not know I 1 have a word to say to the sisters who have lately come into our city do not allow your fathers your husbands and your brothers bro theis to go to any pt pi ice ace 11 t settle unless it is is wailed ft ailed in or in in some other way made perfectly capable of defending you ou and t themselves hem selves from the attack of indi ins ina or those who would seek lo 10 detroy destroy r you and your property if they want vant to drag you ou off to so some ina place where you v will ill bo be exposed to the llie ravages of ei indians tl till 11 them you are going to stay where you are and ta then len ask thein what they are go ing to lo do abo it it it is is not my general practice to counsel the sisters to disobey their husbands but my iny co is in obey your you husbands and I 1 am sanguine and n d most empl emphatic emp haic iwic on that subject but I 1 never chinse co Inse sed a woman to follow her husband to the dovil devil if a man mail is 13 to expose the lives of his friends let ie that man mail go to the devil and to destruction alone you yon have got my counsel you need not any of you ask my counsel to run over to the west mountains to sel so 1 tle tie for there are plenty alone there already if you have not elbow room enough rub my elbows I 1 can ruh nib a as hud haid og you can I 1 can tell you yon something you never have yet thought of you may number all the families in t tins cil cily y and with them their cattle and flocks and there theio is more ground within its precincts precinct if properly cultivated than would sup eort port them all from year to year there tire are not inhabitants enough hi ri tile the city to cultivate the land in it as it should be look around and see the hundreds of acres that have hava not been cultivated at all one bushel to ten has not been raised that might have been on oil tho lots that the people have p pretended re tended to cultivate be not afraid of being too close together the ane man or 01 woman who enjoys the spirit of the lord never feel themselves crowded by that spirit or by those who possess it and they never will when disturbance and |