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Show EtM H Tilt tG ft IU M IT THE THUS KT MTU DESERET EVENING NEWS 3 CHAT WITH SECRETARY NAGEL Great Creative Force With an Army Workmen --The sus and - Its of Cen- Eighty Thousand Hands Surveying the Coasts t and Putting Up houses Light- Something About Our Merchant Marine Cheap Fish Food For the Nation One Million grants w X scribing the new schemes of Uncle Sam. patriarch. It Is well to . know somethin of the men At tnelr head. President aft, of course, bosses every Job, but the detailed work Is under the cabinet ministers. Take, for Instance. Secretary Charles Nagel. the chief of the depart- ment of commerce and labor, with I have been talking today. He Is a tit manager of a great undertaking SI feet In height, as straight as an ar- row and muscular, well formed, at the age of $2 he is one of the most energetic and efficient of all those who are managing Uncle - Sam's business. He Is a broad guage- man, fitted by wide training and experience for his place In the federal machine. Born in Texas, which we easterners look upon as a part of the wild and woolly west, he was educated first In 8t. Louis and then in Berlin, the progressive and aggressive capital of Germany. After graduating at the university there, he come bark to St. Louis, where he made a where great reputation as a he was practicing when he was made comof the of department secretary merce and labor by President Taft. d i HOW NAGEL CAME TO TEXAS. In my talk with the secretary I asked him how be happened to select Texas as He replied that his his birthplace. father was an Immigrant, and that he came from Germany to this country in 1N48, settling in Colorado county, Texas. The old gentleman was a member of one of the number of colonies which were established In our great southwest at that time by certain wealthy citizens of the German nobility. The immigrants belonging to these colonies were men of line education. Many of them were university graduates, and they itad a civilization far above that of the Inmlrg which Secretary Nagel I now allowing to enter this country. For the secretary'a father had been a ptr, slriitn In Germany and he was a graduate of the University of Berlin. Tl h" j was h graduate of the name university, ttnt Mr. Nagel recently found a printed speech of the great Prince Bismarck which wns made n reply to a paper written bv his Texas schoolmaster, my ,I)eaklng of the German revolution of IMS. durln which so father-whomanj prominent men leftIf the It was land, I asked Mr. Nagel then that Carl Sohurx and Joseph j,uliUt,r camp to this contry. Rehurx The secretary replied that came aeveral years later, and that Jo- landed along seph Pulitzer must have about the close of the Civil war. Baid 'uir m nt he: "I knew Mr Pulitzer during my early days In St. Louis and. while he was still a reporter on the Westliche Post. Later on he bought The Post and united It with The Dispatch. makLouis ing the St which he still owns. It was from the he made from The Disthat money patch that he came to New York and bought The World. CREATIVE FEATURES OF UNCLE h, SAM S WORK. The conversation here turned to the development of Uncle Sam, repatriarch, and Secretary Nagel ferred to some of the great creative now works under way in the various departments. Said he: one administrative of the "Every offices Is taking on creative features. The post office, which was formerly a mere transmitter of letters, has Just started postal savings banks, and from it is protecting the people frauds through the mails. The deIs the great partment of war, which national and International police force of the government, has taken charge of the Philippines and our other Island possessions; and It Is doing all sorts of creative work there. a Year and How Admitted. ODIS PACOTG COEKZD MEAT AT CHICAGO. Immi- AH nOCGHAHT TAHUT-T-YPI CA1 FOMIOH HOHESZEXEXS. These Iftotoe Taken (jpmali for The Pet ret Xnn hr truk G. Oarpentcr. is as to the exact nature of our coasts $450,000 a year. In the "We have to begin at the bottom. We eaua of the department, and the aaoas for ships all over the world. Ths wa- been w jrth a great deal, past they have want first to know the purpose of the tary replied: ters of the United States are much organisation, to leant ahat its charter "It will be Impossible for yea to gt va ONE MILLION IMMIGRANTS. more carefully surveyed even than the gives It the right to do and then find th details of ths department of asiei land. We know the depth and charac-t-r ImThe conversation here out whether U carries on Its business mere and labor In a single newspaper, to of every bit of sea which washes migration, of which thaturned department tn accordance with that charter. We letter. Every one of our offices taomgj our shores, and have made surveys of of commerce and labor has charge, and want to know all about the methods with creative work. Taka, for instance, j the rivers to the head of tide water I asked the secretary as to the char- of the organisation, its profits and the bureau of standards, which is tsot--l for ship navigation. We furnish such acter of the new ett liens we are losses, the wage and prices, the root Ing weights and measure of all kinds. i urporatiuna and trusts, ana the degetting maps to sailors. We also give In- from Europe. He replied: of materials and everything concerning Ws have mads partment of the navy has many formation as to the tides, and. nearly to.ooo tests of such It. We want to know whether, it has by a creative features. As to the Interior, recent invention, the coast The most of them come from the .combinations the past year, and those things during can with survey railroads the by Included measurements of tests for southern and eastern countries. We adthat has become a great conservation tell you Just what the tide is at mitted more than one million last year w'hlch It gets unfair advantages aver length, mass, capacity and density. bureau, which is conserving our coal port of the world and at any hourany Its competitors, and to know whether of and within the last 10 years we have deserts and the day. For instance. If lands, reclaiming our embraced measurements of time, you want to passed in between eight and nine mil- It Is in a conspiracy to control or make They draining the swamps. 7t is also watch- know Just how high the tide and of all aorta of will rise lions. At present we are admitting prices. In the steel trust We have had beat and electricity ing over the safety of the men In the this afternoon tn the and forces under the sun. AR materials Bay of Chemulpo, more Italians than nny of the others. great aid from the management. The mines. And last, as to th department on of thermometers tha the United States the west coast of Korea, this ma- In 1909 we had over 200.000 of them. hooka have all been thrown open to of agriculture, that has so largely to are now made after the teats of this Next came the Foies, who numbered us, and wre have been aided in many do with creative work that It Is 1m- - chine will tell you. Indeed, the moot of them How about- - your lighthouses, This Is so with most of the department. 121,000, and then the Jews, Germans, ways poslble to describe Its ramifications. are sent tn to ho it with which wo , corporations EngllsJand Irish, . Tlif. - titav.Jjnd You must remember, however, thatj to deals It was not so with repUeflThe "We ea secretary. Ws are and optical glasses. pCJRY.TLKBOr are addin hundreds nt llghts.and a great many of these Immigrants stay trust, but the recent decision may make and the ordinary weights But how about your own depart- lighthouse organisation more compliant in Ing to the service every year. only a few years and that there la a1 that used In tha various states and they are 4' , . the future." ment, Mr. Secretary?" I asked. "You, The main lights along the Atlantic steady flow back to the old country. and brought, up to standard. Two of come ibrlng here of them too, are not Idle. Give me an outline of Pacific were erected "What Investigations have you' oh long ago, but we believe that aomc $7 our Inspectors visited cities your work in a nutshell. are establishing new lights and signals with the Idea of making a fortune in a hand at present? past year.' They "At the end of the last fiscal year the and towns the "It is difficult to put the department between them. We have put up about few years and then going back home. In the east, covering chiefly as to the Inves- worked Some su h send their savings back work was still of commerce and labor In a nutshell," fifty new lights, sixteen fog 27 signals from month to month, and this la one tigation of thepending they expect to go was the secretary's reply. A year or and 751 buoys. We are lumber, steel and to- overstates, and extendof millions greatly states during western of the hundreds reason for the so ago we were employing more men ing the bacco Industries and also at to the. Inlighthouse service of worth of money orders which ternational Harvester company, trans- the coming twelve months, I believe than there are soldiers In the United and are building lighthouses Alaska, there. dollars day wilt come when all the weights States army. That was when the census We are also putting lights upon the are annually forwarded to Europe. portation by water In the United States the was In full swing. We had last year Yukon and other rivers. We are Imand the concentration of water power and measures of the country will toe KEEPING OUT THE SCRAP. over 71,000 enumerators and alBO a tem- proving the lighthouses of Porto Rico industries. Borne of this work has been based upon the worb of the bureau of Do we get many bad Immigrants? standards." completed. porary force of clerks numbering three and Hawaii, and wi have officers of I Ullkddr FRANK O. CARPENTER, or four thousand. In addition to the the engineer corps of the army who I here asked as to certain other bur- It. can help this If Not department census we have a dozen different are inspecting the lights on the Misforce of about 2,000 men a We have bureaus here at Washington, each of sissippi river and Its tributaries. who are engaged In guarding the ports which has Its own work. and our boundaries, to keep out those OUR MERCHANT MARINE. "This department, which was originwhom the law forbid landing. There "And as to then to the bureau of navi- are. as you know, all those who have deal with commerce ally organized ind labor and especially with the cor- gation, continued the secretary, We contagious diseases, all who are menbest grade of asbestos is beau and It may be. derived by alteration! porations and the business interests of are doing w hat W'e can to make our tally weak, all who have ben crimiJ1 HE a Variety of rocks generally rich the United States, has taken in many of merchant vessels better and to take nals In the countries from whore they tiful silky fiber with a high de- from un-aIn olivine or pyroxene. Berne of it. the bureaus of the other departments. care of the sailors. We are Inspect- came, and all who are paupers and tenof and gree flexibility, We turn elasticity themselves. the to support steamboats and Insisting that The bureau of manufactures, for In- ing however, Is derived from Impure limeback sile can Into be such It be spun 25,000 about immigrants strength. stone. Rocks rich in olivine stance, is an offspring of the depart- they properly equipped with lifeit thread so fine as to run 225 yards to are by far thaoriginally meet Important source. every year, and although at timea ment of state. It Is devoted to the de- saving appliances. we are do so, seems almost cruel to . alter, to serpentine and under I should like to see measures unvelopment of our domestic and foreign to protect the people at home the ounce, and as it is incombustible as They trade, and it publishes information dertaken to Increase our merchant ma- forced well as a nonconductor of heat and favorable conditions give rise to as abroad from Invasion sue h from The purer the serpentina the gathered by the consuls, who are under rine. As It Is we have something like "What causes the Immigrants to come eloctrieity and resistant to the action bostos. more likely It is to contain asbestos, the state department. We have also 25,090 vessels with a gross tonnage of .States? United most of the field more of ap- especially .if the serpentine baa been our own special agents wno travel over than 7,500,000, but nearly all this t, ordinary acids its "The number Increases or decreases plication 1 large. the world looking up trade openings. Is devoted to our domestic trade, a greatly fractured , and Intruded by The possibilities bad times. Just now the of granite dikes, as in the vicinity of They are gathering Information as to large part of our shipping being on with goodla or usefulness the are asbestos of far prosperous, and foreigners ThetfordJ Canada. Rocks and condieountiy certain classes of exports, reporting the the great lakes. from and to wages not being the high get fully appreciated only tions similar to those of the asbestos "The most of our Imports and ex- come here demand for them in each country and imThe the of but by conditions manufacgeneral living. public better Canada but much less rich In telling how they should be handled and ports now come and go in European migration la a: 11 largely a matter of turers in search of materialby for special region of occur near LowCI?. Vt., and asbestos Last year we carried less marketed. We publish daily reports bottoms. It is drummed up by the purposes to which asbestos may well Casper, Wyo.. where prospecting and freight. from other countries as to the oppor- than 9 per cent of them, and we paid ocean the and be applied. steamship romjtantes re now, being carmining operations tunities offered for American manu- many millions of dollars in freight to railroads in order th3t they may rePerhaps the roost general use Is to ried on. great European ceive the passage money for carrying make factures, and in time we shall have a other nations.for Our curcloth for theater fireproof cross-fibthe commerce of the A small amount of high-grahere. corps of such experts going from trade competitors tains. In Germany it is used for firefind that it pays them to aid the immigrants asbestos has been taken out near out the Asiatics? center to trade center In the United world Tan keep mens you In cold clothing. p. Everywhere merchant shipping, and I believe canyon of the States and advising the people how and their we The law forbids its to admit the countries it is extensivelv employed the bottom of the Grand should do the same. There Chinese, are masses there and same Is true to some for Colorado, largo the and where to market their products abroad. that furnaces, boiler and pipe covering of is a good deal of sentiment in com- extent of the asbestos in Georgia and During the past to prevent the loss of heat. Asbestos Idaho swhich1 have OUR FOREIGN TRADE. merce, notwithstanding all the proverbs yrar we haveJapanese. been operated to a In 2,800 Japanese passed a is steam and whether insulator to Trade does follow and during the same time something or good or less extent., With tha im contrary greater "In the same wav we have inherited the the is used for asbestos power electricity mense supply of high-grat- e flag, and the American flag in a like 1.500 came in from Hawaii. Caliasbestos at the bureau of statistics from the deis one of the most important elements our Canadian foreign harbor is a door as' well as an In advertiser. If fornia has also had something of an in toe harness. partment of the treasury. This has also the United Stateq is great to hold its own In Immigration of Hindus. In the United production. o do with our foieign commerce and, the trade of the The asbewtos of commerce includes creasing t world it must have What are you doing along labor fibrous of the already. about 4 minerals of seveial species, but Ftates together with - the bureau of manufac- equal advantages with other nations lines? Indusasbestoe Canadian the output e be msv all under tures, It pi ve- a vast amount of (rirluded as to that Dade. all amphibolo We are gathering information of of this country is in good condition. Information as to Uncle Sams Fibrous amphlbole is tryUnited sorts not only for the government and and serpentine States Geological Hurvey. . CHEAP FISH FOR THE NATION. business and how it may be spread to the scientist, but for the laboring nmn pieperly called asbestos, fibrous serpen every part of the globe. With other Here the secretary spoke of the bu- himself and those who employ him tine is rhrsoti!e. and the especially things we are now making a directory reau of fisheries, saying: We are getting informatlon as to child fine silky form of both amphlbole and THE TALLEST TOMB IN ENGLAND. of the names of business houses which Another feature of this department. labor and woman labor, as to wages ,t serpentine is known as amianthus, but handle imported merchandise in all Indirectly connected with the marine. and strikes and as to accidents and In the tiade all are included under the Xgar the well known qpapoft of foreign countries. The material for this Is the raising of cheap fish for food for how the labtfwr may be protected from general term asbestos Like auriferous quartz and the ores Southampton, England, there is a rehas already been gathered, and the the nation. A few years ago It was them. of other precious metals, asbestos gen- markable edifice known as Petersens book will be published some time this almost impossible to get fresh lobsters, THE COUlOKA- - erally forms veins, but In some places Tower, The erection is all the more, or shad; but owing to the protection INVESTIGATINGTIONS. year. is where It Is of low grade it makes up our to what trade As afTorded and the plantings of the buforeign singular because it marks the burying the bureau of statistics will give you reau of fisheries, they are now to be "I suppose that a great part of your the whole mass of the country rock are place of a certain John Petersen, a were our asbestos There three of Last In types found exports connected year with work is the We are corporaevery large market. figures cro-- s fiber, slip fiber and mass -. wealthy tea planter. The. man appears Just about 1.74". million dollars, or al- propagating fish of many kinds all over tions? by the form of aggre- - to have been rather an eccentric Indimost six million dollars a day for the Union, We raise the spawn and Yes, that was one o the main rea- Our send it out to the states, and in addi- sons for founding this department. It gaCon every working day of the year. The most valuable asbestos fiber oc- vidual, and in order to prove to tbo in imports were about the highestof they tion do a great deal of p&nting our- was to promote the best business inThe fiber world his belief in concrete as a buildin cross-fibe- r veins curs the in selves. the ever been to terests Our and total output of fish and have history of the country give vein from side ing material set about the construcacross run all the told, amounted, lead and would to the w'hlch was formation more directly last eggs they than three country, year for every such billions; and this will be greatly ex- maintenance of the honesty and sta- to side. Its length is thus limited by tion of this great tower. Ths building to almost So, 000.000 , w Hh inof the vein and ranges from took many years to complete, but Is the working day. These figures are so tended. The commercial fisheries of bility of the vast machinery of our of an hich to two inches. entirely of .concrete, and by the time the country are now bringing In a prod- dustry end commerce. The bureau of great as to be beyond comprehension, our some mo3t idea uct for one the of of For like $82,000,000 a year, corporations gathers information part the veins of asbes- the, final layers had been placed had but they give something the country reached an altitude of more than 60(1 foreign commerce, which is still at and from oysters alone we are an- the use of the administration' and tos separate easily from across expose feet. It is about 40 years since the Its beginning and which is bound to nually getting something like $18,000,-00- 0 others as to corporations of all kinds. rock and when broken The salmon of Alaska bring In Bo far, we have been dealing chiefly the beautiful white flufTy asbestos fiber tower was erected, and Its present conincrease from year to year The silk. sheen or of $9,000,000 or $10,000,000, trusts, with the highest dition Is certainly a justification of the and the fish with the great corporations THE MARINE BUREAUS. which come from the forest waters fur- and we have investigated a number of grade of asbestos, about an inch in faith of the builder.' As has been Inhas much to do nish a supply of food which annually them, such as the beef trust and the length, is common in the eastern dicated, Petersen left Instructions that "Your sells for something like $21,000 000. We steel trust. We have about completed provinces of Canada but has not yet his body should be placed under the' with navigation, has it not?" been produced in the United States. It tower, and this was accordingly car"Yes. Indeed, we are the friend of are doing a great deal for the salmon our work on the steel trust 1 should think such a report would Another desire that the Is worth about $275 a ton. The lower ried out. the mariner, and of all those who both along the Columbia river and In f. less chamber at the summit should contain grades, ranging from $100 down tomore travel by sea. We have a number of Puget sound and Alaska. As to the be very extensive? a tight was defeated by ths firm stand; It is so. It would take several than $10 a ton, are much the marine bureaus, which have come to fur seals, they are under the depart4 which Trinity House, tha lighthouse j abundant in all asbestos fields. We have ment, and if we could protect them volumes to contain it. us from other departments. Will it have as many words as a big , Slip fiber occurs along slipping planes authority, took on the matter. Such an a bureau of navigation, one of steam- from the robbers who, contrary to law, direction of illumination would have been visible or faults and shows the boat inspection, one of lighthouses, try to catch them on their way to the familv Bible asfor miles out at sea and would natural"I should say so. the motion. Most of the and also the coast and geodetic sur- Pnbyloff Islands, we could materially "How do you go about Investigating bestos Is of low grade. ly have proved very misleading to sail- -; You might not call the latter Increase the herd. As It is, the sealvey, , All asbestos is Of secondary origin, ors. Scientific American. creative, but still it gives information skins now bring iu something like a trust of that kind? Tt even building the Panama canal. The treasury, which was once only a machine for the collection of revenues, is now the foundation of odr national hanks, and It is also erecting public the country. buildings throughout The department of Justice la watching our Interests In the restriction of the fpatonT- a ASBESTOS AND ITS USES , er low-gra- per-cen- vaiu-jabl- j ished v- - slip-fib- CHAHLES HAGEL. rwxretary of Commerce and Labor -- er 'V ifjfu |