Show ff mG f SMOOT M T Ht HEARINGS I G GR Roberts Testifies Regarding n R a n II The Manifesto and nd Its Interpretation EXPERIENCE IN POLITICS ilS IS pIed Pealed Positively Stale peat eLit About Having haTing Received A 4 Vision Is sIon Ion r Arril M JI the re rc rei ot the Ino In the R d I g W beon for thc the i e elS cW ot and anI elections the tf tt en II i considerable H U Roberts fr m Brigham 9 taiti II r t tho the oaths nn un unai 1 tb to for or I a Q a Mormon ai 11 to tC be bt b Uko tah In rJ r to haVe hav the tho sup up tr la to t o churell for tor of 01 pOTI rl ot of l dl In hi tho the obligations ao I Wh we fl re w ald to be taken by Mor lor who wh RU iU through tho thu endowment not both Ines much evidence bOue ti vie 4 broUght out by the tM testimony of ot H vu J It that Ihal without the tho con enl Roberts pert W 11 fr be RO lomon lp Church ho he failed 11 of ot ll ct cI t to a IL wt CRt I In ana ln later S horch n recognition of at his candi be was w endowment house houpo to the i In llon Mr Ir no was vaa extremely that thaI the tho St iI Ie geld S euch that he could coulL i was waa wa at the tbt treal It to tho the world find that if ri f t tl te tt dS dI 41 M O ha ho h would woud los 1050 caste casto with wit h tho the trust M I having betrayed a II Portion of ot the tho given by byr lit iff r Roberts em C in regard to his hisM M IOns n for or maintaining polygamous to Co I O with his plural wives WISPS waR wan tout a 0 duplicate of ot tho the testimony pea liven by 1 other ts who have ha i n on n tho the Vr Nr Roberts Raid aid that ho regarded Ih t I lA of ot God os o higher than the laws Ji ct cf if the i land nd and Md that his hili moral oblige obligA obligAtiOn toa tiOn to 10 his hia wives IM greater than both bolh ii t iw of ot Owl OI and man testimony for tor tho the prose roe ct on 0 is IA I expected 1 to bo La developed ot at otte atti ti te U n of o tho committee Tb ini without formality of ot ofray ray character H It Roberta MI Sal as called to tho the tand by b Mr AIr Tayler He e Vall M d to bring irIng out a 1 state llato B tant asat t of ot bl his b official connection with the AFTERNOON SESSION At t th the afternoon pension Mr lr Tayler uke iskel Mr Roberts conviction lien tion In ISM of at If the crime of ot polygamy tutor y objected object d to the UI lino liria of or orI I In r to Mr Rob cnn mn n and end Mr dr Ho In tho trat nUary Ho lie saId laId ho he thought the thea a nt n t the that ho lund had the laws was wall va Mr Air Tyer iM reM this was to o determine the of ot Uio t tOa Mor Mormon nOn mon Oa Church had taK taRen ln n any y in r p t to the witness living JIving with moro more than that on one OM wife Jet e Mr Air Or eald rAid no nn action had ever eer been taken by Jy tho the Church Chur MANIFESTO 01 Ol WOO 1890 were asked respecting plu Ives and living In polygamous o and the thc witness Bald eald ho he regarded the thc manifesto as RS a an 11 ration net act of ot the Church and of ot hind bind hindIng Ing force upon all Ho lie ad admitted that to disobey any of ot those laws la 18 would subject the member to lia Ha liability to Church discipline The wit witness ness noes was eked asked then thel In It regard to polygamous amous cohabitation Haiti that ho be and mm y others were WHO living In limy at nt the time the i u Jo 10 uns n mado nueh tuh u h cohabitation and that they the considered th under gation to 10 live with the wives they had married Do Io you think you OU aro IW ar morally bound to cohabit with nil all of ot your wives lIes Chairman Burrows naked I do How flow many children have you OU i Thirteen living How Itow many man not living Two When was WILS the laRt one on horn born 1 About two or two and a 1 halt half years ears ago ngo Tho witness then thim was aa turned over ever to tn the defense and Mr Van Cott opened the thc MANIFESTO CONSTRUED Mr tr Van Cott anke In regard to the tho rule which permits officials of or the tho hutch Church to ti enter politics The witness Mid Enid he ho r regarded ItaH nil merely mere I a n leave of absence ab ence front from Church duties during Incumbency of o political office Ho no said he ho did not regard It n nil an nn en endorsement n by the Mormon Church It U n uie brought nut out that In hid hl first can canvass canvass vass for tor office when he hn hail had not the consent or leave of 01 absence nb n he hp was defeated In hili hie canvass he oh tamed tho the leave ot of absence and was wan elected Senator uk the tho witness views InA of ot his obligations obligation II an nil a I citizen and whether there could be ht a 11 religious obligation which would Justify him hint In denying his services to Ills his state Mute to dis ulis discharge charge duties which would devolve up UI upon upon on him by b the thc acceptance of ot a II political position lo Mr Air Ir Roberts Roberta said the tho emergency might arise orille whereby where b nn nil official should resign his hili political If the thc will Ill 11 of ot his constituents would not Mt permit him to perform Ids hili duties In harmony harmou with the tho Church Senator Halley Bailey called attention to the thc Church rules rule which forbid an In o III to accept nn nil olilee without the consent of ot the tho Church ho he his In III the thc Church hurch or aI In is reduced n to the tho Tanks ranks In the thc event of ot stich n a crisis wild sold the witness I think one would have to rely on the individual IK patriotism m nl NI J run TOR O SJ I Hut But the patriotism pa und religion In III I such fluch a u CH Ca would woul Id he hI In Mid Senator At bAt t one Ino Him you OU de defied II d I tied fied the hurch hurc I did you UI not 1101 notI 1 I did lid And you ou were vere defeated lell i Yrs OU 10 to submit to Iho tho order oi of o the Church 1 think I 1 1111 a by b the thc Church said sattl the witness And 1111 when you JU were wore und lid did subunit submit to tho c or jou ou Were Wel elected I II IIII i Mr lu II paid sali an hi that thai both loth he ho aunt and A Thatcher hunt hud stood ott Ut the Church hurch rule rull that Ihal lit lie Imd with withdrawn Ith drawn his to 10 the iule uUIe ule Mid VOs wa I elected to t I senator f t l tim Ine met tuat t Thu ild HI lint Ilot submit tu tO the thu I at ut that tUne time II e mid untO w was III defeated NOT OT IN POLITICS Senator Jall eI the if It If It WIIl ui a not true t ru e thul thu t tho t he political ioli t ort of or the Mormon hunh hurh In iii Utah sought flu hl by h I political parties tho seine lIme us isa the till Irish the German or 01 II Ital Itol Italian ian vole ote 01 lIIS sought rought In III other communities lea leal I l believe not 1101 soil Mr MI Au Roberts There may mil be bo I v a Is WIlli w iu ho trim t ri un their theil sails salts that way hut but not lIot tho tue Church Inquired If It you OU I were ere Invited to 10 accept a II political would you OU ten feel 11 nt ut liberty to 10 accede to tn the request t without first Or t getting Betting von con consent all alls sent s nl from toni the tho hunch chinch chinchI I l think not 1101 It If your request were vere refused you would not nol feel tit ut liberty to 10 run un for fou the That would depend upon the omer Reney ency and which h InK vao aa the more mort binding my duties as 1111 is nn an of the thc Church or my nuy duties us ilK a n r citizen And If It you U decided the Church should be tiC considered con Then I should incline the Well eli If Ir tho the Church hurch to 10 consent and you should tIlI the tho what action would be lw taken lullen by 11 bythe thc the Church I would probably be le called upon for tor foran nn an explanation What If It you rOil OtI should Inform the tho Church that you OU regarded your OUI duty to the state above that to the Church Would the tho attitude of o the Church bo boone boone one of ot hostility I cannot believe bellese there th rp would bo ho b any an action taken token politically DID NOT rl IL CRITCHLOW Resuming and quoting from toni the records nf or the thc traIl testimony mony mall of ot 15 B 1 13 U Critchlow Mr Ir Van aul 1111 Cott Ott naked asked Mr Roberts Hobert If It he h ever had stated to Mr Air Ir Critchlow that he hr had hal a II vision of ot his hl dead 1581 ancestors which In Induced him to change chang his hI attitude to tord rd the rul rule to 10 permission to 10 run ruin tar for to Mr Air Roberta Mid suid he never had male such aUh a 1 statement Ho 10 lb also said sail ho ht never nc lund had stated that ho he luau had peen his In perdition nub and that th y could not go 10 through the tem teun temple TIle Ille and be tin baptized unless he conformed to tn tho the wishes of or the Church hurch Tho Ih wit Ill witness witness ness nellI he ho had bad been hern through the thc en endowment n house that the endowment house hou e oath or as now how per performed formed In the temples Can Cnn you OU tell us Ul In regard rl ard to 10 thin thiM ceremony naked asked Hut rows I 1 can not I do not feel eel at liberty rt to todo ilo do so 11 I consider con lder myself In trust and amid not at liberty to what takes take dace T Mr Air Roberts said aid that thal the obligations were or secret and he be thought them not unlike tho oaths of ot the tho order o er or cm other pomet What Whal hat would happen It l I you lid did tle re reo reveal veal nal what whitt took look i laco iu tn the tho temple ticked the Ih chairman I 1 would lose lore 1810 1 and bo ho regarded as ns a it trust If I 1 keep kep faith 1 can ian not nol disclose do e what takes lIkes place Then pursued pur pu Chait m tiny per person n who vIm takes the thc endow unit uncut obligation M l I under r oath not 1101 to 10 HB Its I think HO so And nd Senator could not reveal lila lilB oath of or that character The Tho 8 hIs head h ad In HC Senator SI Halley II wh there Nil Na anything In lIn I ie that a n mans freedom In any nn i 10 o hued 1111 en I or religious way The hue replied he hI thought ROt not Harrow H ln what sunt there was In the obligation which makes It that It be kept from the Ih world Its general answered Mr Air I r Do Io you think there their Is I anything M cred which ought to be bo kept front from the tho world 1 I think there are lirt some things that should be bl kept Can you yost mime no moo one otie t I ii I mug Iu in that which should he be kept krill from rolls the thu w world orld 7 I cannot slut It ii iiIi Ii h 7 you IIII are nr under obil obligation gation not to It HI 1111 I ll or ci e you can cannot not nol remember I lI k the committee that I 1 may he be excused front rom 11 vl s vo accept j then said aIl the Ihl t he only I ran Ian Iannot not II und fl f I an nil having such In Its It obligations ohl to 10 Ins rf which cannot be given to the thc world worM The Tue witness made no answer until reference vas WIlS again made e to the oath and h hn said saidI hl I do In not think I f can fin throw any light upon the lie mutter matter OF 01 lo OBLIGATION Mr Van nn Cot Cott ott t mailed to question the lie witness Iu In r to the obligation HI question Indicated a ut 1 o a to show how that the tho obligation could titer Inter Interfere fete fere re In no manner with the tue rights of citizens when iusti Senator Pettus Inter Intel Interrupted interrupted If I f I thc Ihl th witness cannot r tell whit what w this thia obligation K I I 1 do not nol think he ho tins has hn the tho right to construe ron for tOJ the CUll cc II tel and amid thus thull create creato confusion In to It After much discussion dl It was 11 lIdl Hint butt the line lino of o questioning bv hy the th defrost defence I Willi net nn in order In view shiw Iw of or till the miss to 10 stole tho th of ot the obligation Ally Atty All Worth Wurth asked u If IC the tho obligation did not relate entirely to affairs whether her temporal I affairs R a fa In any amui All way wit y sc mo affected by h l It II Senator aIl he hI did not mint think the question had hull nn bearing or that it would In u any manner the committee In ItH Html decision aunt and the Ihl witness was per permitted permitted mittel to answer He lie said Mid he believed hell the obligations related specifically to affairs The committee adjourned until to tomorrow tomorrow morrow |