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Show Xotlce. THE MORMON UtESTlOX. they were commanded of God to practise plural marriage, not to gratify licentiousTlio Shareholders of the Option interesting interview- avitii ness, but to save women and to raise a righteous offspring. It was a part of '.' ,uJi6rion .delegate tiie their religion in 18G2, and had been for noare "' JlN. CONGRESS. herehy Publishing Company many years. They claim, therefore, that the passage of a law making it critified that "the adjourned annual - , meeting toill take place on Thursday next, at the New City Hall, at 2 p. m. A general attendance is partict ularly requested. ; By order of the Board. C. W. Penrose, Sec'y. INSlDli VIEWS ON THE SITtfATIOX. Correenondeuca X, Y. World.. ' hW'asJiicgt on, March 1. Th$ contradictions of fact and the variety of opinion expressed in and out of Congresg on the legislation (which has passed the 'Senate) relative to the real condition of affairs in Utah have induced your correspondent to solicit the views of the, Representatives of Utah herein the person of her delegate-elec- t and her present delegate, with the following i. i ', result i Cabinet Changes Still Agita tod. Notwithstanding the many assertions made that the President would not change the status of his Cabinet, it was announced iu, these columns :a few days ago thftt it was most likely that he "would be compelled, in' compliance with political requirements, to relievo himself of some obnoxious ministers,' and in their etead place others iuore acceptable. The' retirement of Mr. Bout well is assured, even though his election to the U. S Senate might, miscarry, It is also beyond a semblance of doubt that the Assistant Secretary of the Treasury, Mr Richardson, will be appointed as his successor as the financial head of tho Administration. His selection is portentious of events that may result in a complete overthrow of the system inaugurated by 3Ir. Boutwell,1 which aa influential and portion of our commercial classes have deemed pernicious! The Secretary of the Treasury and his assistant have differed radically on the subject of our financial policy. While; the one maintained the ncces-.-it- y of paying off our national indebtedness immediately, the other insist- far-seei- , exposing the. dangerous tendency of a course that Would inevitably 'lead to financial revulsions. "While' Mr. Boutwell asserted the obed upon ligations of the Goyerument to,wipc out the national debt, Mr. Richard s on persisted in the more practical policy of reducing taxation and bequeathing to future generations the legacy of liabilities incurred at a period when it was averred that the life of, the Union was imperilled. There has never been any accord between these two dignitaries.- A direct antagonism exists in their opinions. A conflict is pending between the advocates of a return to specie payment aud to the contraction of turrency, and those who are in favor of expansion and the postponement of the liquidation of our national , - - . debt:'' ; ; "'" -- The selection of jfn Richardson in lieu of the present irtcumbent, indicates a revolution in the monetary system which has paralyzed the energies of the country and prostrated its finances. It seems to us that his appointment is significant bF a of the Administration to defer the cancellation of the national debt, 'and to adopt the theories of the astute tnd sagacious political econo mist who will assume the portfolio 4of the Treasury department. Hotel ArriTals. OGDEN HOUSE. - Proprietor. March 8, Osliorn, Salt Lake City A J. J. Mahon, 1 JohnW Alsmyer, San Francisco; John Seager, 'm B Morten, Q E 3:ngham Kanyon; louplas. Kewana, Illinois; Mrs Fisher htul child, J B iproul aud wile, Kanas City March 9. Thos Bradley, Carson, Nev. J G . D.-vio- n, Reno, Nev.; Mrs Deniling, Chicago. 111.: J C Kreamer and wife, C K G illatid, Cheyenne; Misa ilnvkin, James d Jones, Oxna-l.Haskin, San Francisco; Fred JLouie, Corinne; Br Tildcn, Mrs J Tilucn, Vlrgiaia City, NeY. a; I have desired this inCorrespondent terview, Mr. Delegate Hooper, that I might lie able to lay before the readers of The. World gome information concerning i he condition of affairs in Utah f rom your standpoint. There are all kinds of reports through despatches and correspondence! from there, and the public are led to believe that a state of things but little shortof anarchy prevails there. M.r. Ilpoper I shall be please to give you any 'information in my power about Utah and her affairs, for there is a 6ide to this question of which the public rareThe people of ly get; ny knowledge. Utah are grossly misrepresented by the reports which have been put in circulation about them. " The President of t lie United States has been persuaded to believe them, and has issued a message to Congress on the subject, lie intimites that the administration of the law in Utah has beeu taken out of the hands of the judges which he has appointed, and that their action has been interfered with. These are grave charges to make If they were true against a community. iu taking the Congress would matter ia hand. But the President has been misinformed, and an investigation into the affairs of' the Territory will prove that facts have been strangely perverted.; f; widespread impression concerning Utah is that Brigham Young and the local Legislature have constituted themselves a power higher than' the President and the Cougress oMhe United States. Tbey have cnactedlaws.it is said, which place the selection of juries iu the hands of men who take good care that'no jury is empanelled that will couiict A Mormon, and they virtually say to the Federal judges and officers: "You cannot enforce your laws, and we act you at defiance.'' Mr. know these statements are -I made, but they are untrue. The mode of selecting juries in Utah, is the game as thai pursued in many parts of the The County court of each country. county, at its first session in each year, selects from the assessment rolls fifty names of persons eligible as jurors. These" names are writteu on slips of paper and deposited in a box, the box is shaken up, and the jury panel drawn therefrom These juries have inproniiscuously, dicted and convicted Mormons aud alilte of crimes whenever the evidence has beeu sufficient, and until now they have beeu credited with fairness ia .deciding cases in which Morhave beeo; parmons aud ties to the suit. A case in point occurs to me now. A young man, a Mormon, assailed a for some offence, real or imaginary, and killed him. He was arrested, tried, and executed therefor. His being a Mormon did not. save save hiiu from justipe. ; - Cor.-r-T- j hc , , II.-r- . non-Mormo- ns non-Mormo- us non-Morm- C. Do not, your authorities contrive to exclude the Gentile element from the 11 juries? minal was in violation of the first amendment of the Constitution, which hays that Congress shall make no law prohibiting the free exercise of religion. C. Well, but suppose that & colony of Thugs were to practise their system of murder in the United States, should we not punish them because they would claim that it was their religion, and that under the Constitution they had a right to its free exercise? Or suppose that the burning of widows were to be attempted here as formerly practised in Hindustan, would wc have to permit it because it should be called religion? Mr. H. My people claim that there is a wide distinction between these practises and that of polygamy. The one the other life, destroys perpetuates it. One is malum in ne, or an act which is in and of itself a crime, and the other is malum prohibitum, an act which is made crime by law, The Bible, which Christendom receives as authority and on the moral teachings of which its laws are based, declares murder to be a crime, it declares adultery to be a crime, but it nowhere prohibits the marriage of more than one woman to one man. This, however, is trenching on theology, with which I do not profess te have much . familiarity. The despatches from Utah repoi-- t great excitcmeut and alarm among the people there. I see it stated also that the Mormon leaders are trying to obtain some foothold in Mexico or the Saudwieh Islands to which to flee in case the law is enforced against them. Do you think if Congressional action were had they would desert Utah? Mr. II. No, sir. To what place could they go and be less exposed than in Utah? If they v.ere to go to Mexico, with their industry, temperance, and thrift they would soon accumulate wealth. In such a country they wuuld make their homes a paradise, and the cry would be raised against them then, as it now is, to excite prejudice, under cover of Which they could be robbed. As to the Sandwich Islands, though there is a plantation on Oahu owued by some of my constituents at which the native Mormons are gathered aud taught habits of industry, yet the removal of the people to that quarter has never been C. contemplated. C. The scheme of setting an island or group of islands in the Pacific it lias been thought would SuitBrigham Young. By such a move he would escape collision with the Government or its laws, would secure a place where he could erect a government to suit himself and to which he could gather converts with ease; and with his administrative talents and the peoples,' union and industry, lay the foundation of an important and wealthy power. In view of the complications and difficulties that are likely to arise at any time, I should think that such a plan might have fascinations for him. With the mines and other advantages which Utah now possesses Brig-baaud his I'eople might be able to Sell m to advantage. Mr. II. Apart from the great obstacles in the way of a wholesale emigration of a people us numerous as the Mormons in Utah, there is an insuperable objection to such a ohm. The Mor mon belief forbids the idea of their leaving the continent. They love America as the ancient Jews did Canaan. They have come from all quarters of the earth to be here. It is to them the promised land, the land They are attached to republican institutions, and value , the Constitution of the United States as a sacred instrument which its framers were inspired to write and the . of-Zio- n. do not. Mr. If the jury list of the past lew years be examined it will be fouud .that have beeu selected as jurors. They have not been as numerous as the Mormons, for colonies to accept. They have been perthe latter outnumber the others nine to secuted in counties and States; but that Under the Government ouc; but they have had a larger pro- was mobocracy. portionate representation on juries. they have enjoyed their liberty, and do not pay while properly administered they always Many of .the taxes, beiug transients, and the selection will have all the rights and freedom they desire for jurors is from the No, sir; Utah, they think, is H is best that the while C, argued, however, spot on earth for them at presthe' selection of juries is left to your ent, mid there they intend to remain. local authorities it, is useless to make Let the Mormons leave Utah and she any effort to enforce such laws of thj would soon resume her ancient sterility United fetates as do not accord with pub- and be valueless. Their removal is not lic sentiment there. Polygamy, for in- the end those who are making the presGeneral ent outcry desire. Tlicy want to get stance, ' is practised there. Grant in his message refers particularly the government of the Terri'ory, of the to (hat system. How can it be reached counties aud cities into their hands. By wheHj the men who largely compose the suitable legislation on the part of Conto do this. With it they i'uries may bo polygaiuists or believers gress they hope could hang, imprison, idea an have is crime? a not they gamy Mn H. You may' not know 1 know or scare off' Brigham Young and other it is not generally understood that there leading Mormous. They never saw such has never been itu attempt made to pros- opportunities for making money as there ecute for polygamy under the law of nre in Utah, if they could only have The cities, counties, aud 1SG1 In the attempt to convict Bric- - their way. ham Young and others in the fall of Territory are free from debt. The taxes 181 a temtonul (statute against lasciv- are light. One percent, is the combined ious cohabitation was used by the Judge. county and Territorial tax. Outside of This became law through Brigham's own Salt Lake there is scarcely any city tax, 8 signature when he was Federal Governor and there it is trifliug. The ring of for would, who are of Utah, and was no more inteuded to legislation crying than to single if they could handle the funds, test the marriage apply to plural ' marriage. It is said Mormon juries will capacity if the various branches of the not convict; but is it fair to say so, and Government to carry one or two millions to ask for a different mode of selecting of bonds.' C This may be so; but it is difficult juries, when they have never been tried? the acyou mean to say that they to make the. country believe that Utah of of the cusations find wb'tlld indict find verdicts against people against " ' or disregarding the laws, disloyal, being polygamists? : Mr. II. Of course I cannot say what of interfering'with strangers, of embarUnited States they, would do, ; Tbe prevalent opinion, rassing th action' of the; u Utah, is that Jhe law of 186 is imcou-- 1 officials who have been, sent there, are Btitutiouab The. Mormons , claim that eutircly without foundation. L'tah is II.--Th- : ey non-Mormo- tax-payer- ; ; , pcr-sou- C;-r-- Do ( attracting attention. The value of her mines and her commanding position ore being recognized. The rights of citiiens must bo respected there, and how can Congress avoid legislation upon the subject? Mr. H. From whom do these accusations come? Do you hear of men of capital who have invested in the Territory urging legislation? Are not the prime movers in this matter men who expect to derive advantages from it? The United States Supreme Court early last summer checked the usurpations of a Federal judge in Utah Then it was determined by him and his set that there must be Congressional legislation to enable him to do with law what he had tried to do without it. He refused last September to issue an order for the empan-ncllin- g of a grand jury, though asked to do so by the United States Attorney. The object of this was plain. If a erand jury were summoned, and they should indict persons accused ot crime as they always did when evidence was presented to them, it could not be said that the enforcement of the law is impeded and the Federal courts are powerless in Utah. Where, then, would be the necessity for legislation? 0 You, then, are opposed to legislation by Congress? Mr. II. Yes, sir. I deem it unnecesThe legislators of Utah have sary. shown an honest desire to shape and enlarge the laws to accommodate the new conditions. At the last session but one of the Legislature, seeing the necessity for a civil code, they passed one of OQo sections, framed on the basis of the New York code; At the last session they partly prepared a criminal code, which only failed to become a law because there was not time to pass iu the forty days provided by the Organic Act of the .Dot of God, say they, would 40 J'!00 of people vith all the advanced of the age the pulpit, the pr4 ,! uab.u'n railroad, the telegraph, wealth- -at their command, give .J" '1 selves any concern about the reli;,,,, , 130,000 of th. ir wi,0 being hemmed in ami surround,. their civilization? They wouM by Congn ss as a of doutit as to the powev of modem" terns and idoas. an admission ii...?V might only, with .'ill the obh against (unlit MiH'Knni li nut ,1. louC'B j.Uvvuu. effect what this would Lve I imagine have reflected much upon this subject The true way to deal with this is to aoid legislating upon it. roads are being built m Utah, m'inesVre being opened, emigration is flowin, jD The two systems are brought face te face. My constituents do nut from the contact. Comparatively p,)Cr not mighty in numbers, not profouudlv learned, they have everything to los and nothing to gain, uuless indeed the system, as they believe, le true. Tiia Mormons may be in error, but it requir. ed such religious fervor as theirs to make the Utah of possible, to open up the great Western Territories to scltlfiuent, and to prepare the way for the completion of the great iranseoi::i. ' nental railway a quarter of a century before it could have been built had they not settled Utah when they did. X'Le Mormons may bo wrong ; but they have done their share in extending our empire, in discovering the best method of redeeming and making fruitful the sterile deserts of the Great Basin, and in showing the world what great results can be accomplished by infellow-citizeI- ls T J t- que-iio- a to-da- y dustry. Cor. We bear varied reports about the effect of contact upou polygamy. a it falling into disrepute among the Mor. Territory. C. You deem legislation unnecessary; inous, or does it niaiutain its old but will the country be satisfied without strength ? somethiug being done? Mr. II. If not, then let a commission of reliable, wise anil impartial Jnen'be sent to Utah to thoroughly examine both sides of the question there. Then if legislation must be enacted, let it be based upon a knowledge of what is required. C Would such a commission be satisfactory to all classes? Mr. II. It is what the great majority of people there, regardless of sect, want, if there must be action of some kind. Members of both Houses are receiving dispatches from influential constituents urging the appointment of a commission. C. Your probate courts are greatly complained of. It is said they interfere with the administration of justice' by the Federal courts; that they take the administration of ihe law out of their hands. AVhen the Federal courts have committed persons accused of crime, it is charged that they are release I on habeas corpus by the probate courts; that, in fact, the latter arejudiciary independent of the Federal courts. Mr. II. That this charge is not correct is plain from the fact that the right of appeal from the probate to. the district court is accorded and freely exercised. Under the laws of Utah the power of the Federal court ovor inferior courts is almost absolute. It is true that the probate courts of Utah have enlarged powers. There has beeu a good reason why they should have them. Until quite recently all the Federal judges have resided in one districtat, Salt Lake City. In the other districts years have sometimes elapsed without courts being held. Even now they are held but rarely. The Legislature had the choice between piving the probate courts criminal jurisdiction, or leaving the people to form their own courts or go without any. There is but one instance in the history of Utah of a probate court issuing a writ of habeas corpus to release a prisoner from the custody. of a Federal officer. It was in the case of Brigham Young. Be had been in confinement for several months. The action of the court which imprisoned him was," by the decision of the United States Supreme Court, declared in effect illegal. For days after that decision was rendered, and when its tenor was notorious to the entire country, he was still kept in custody and his release was refused. He then applied to the probate court for a writ of habeas corpus and got one and his freedom. 1 related the circumstance at the time to a high functionary here. His reply was that he guessed that the probate court had as much right to release ns the United States Marshal had to hold him. Cor. It is a cause of regret to many persons that Brigham Y'oung docs Dot get a revelation to abolish polygamy. .It is generally admitted that apart from this the people of Utah would bo valuable citizens. They are said to be frugal, industrious, and tnterprisirig ; but by clinging to polygamy tbey give their enemies advantages over them. Where it is known that such an obnoxious feature is engrafted on their social polity, it is not difficult to spread shunters about them. There is a determination to put polygamy down. It is felt that, sooner or later, that system must be crushed out ; and there are advocates of strong law, and if need be, stronger" repressive measures. Mr. II. I am aware that such method of reaching it are sometimes advocated ; but are they the best ? .What people were ever converted by such means? Every attempt ut legislation iigriiugt them and their rcligum they accept an an evidence of its divinity. If it were ' Mr. II. I have been absent a consij. erable portion of the time for the eight years, and caunot speak from per- that the sonal knowledge. am 1 told, past rising generation do not accept it .13 freely as wiw ant.cipaied, though they do not deny belief in it as a system. Whether the prejudice that they know exift9 against it outside, or whether the demands of w ives are becoming more extravagant, be t ie cause, 1 do not know. 1 have noticed of late the spread of fashion and of the desire to assimihtts to the outside forms of life from which the people have been practically excluded for a quarter of a century. May not this be of greater danger to the institu-tiothan auy legislation by Congress? n ' Fixk House. 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