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Show DAILY D2 Saturday. March 3, 2007 HERALD .nnirhiredcQ the back of Life mam. Daily Herald on Feb. 16. is geared ine the zwhfch and professional nanny who rear-ddtoewi- f is one of many older phoco shoot. She nosed yLzZZL Z hl "Dove wants to instill a new at. iL Web Chatter: Comments from www.heraldextra.com Nudity in life several point, one person posted removed from the site which the HeraW rtwhich became part of the discusaon. Web J? from this and other topics at heraldextra.com. included on tins usersT may choose am)nyjr.Those on this topic. the to plJTarejMsome of the 800 posted nry-nudepic-K- Letter from a Reader: "The Life America's Weekend Magazine should be removed from the Daily Herald. On Feb. 16, there was a picture of a nude lady on the back cover. Nudity is pornographic. We, as a community, should not stand for it Let's clean up our act by excluding this magazine from our newspaper mTand women, coms Randy Wright, executive editor rwrightheraldextra.com and her little pearl earrings...if she knew she was going to be called sexually benign. Responses from the Herald's online forums For me, personally , isn't not as much about nudity as it is sexually suggestive. Maybe it's a woman thing, something that men aren't going to get. I don't know. REPLY: You hit the nail on the head! I don't view artistic forms of nudity as pornographic. Not all nudity is dirty. I do view some woman with a face full of botox, breasts 4 sizes too big, bra 3 sizes too small, a string across her privates as she's showing facial expressions of having an orgasm as sexually suggestive, not artistic. To me, it's just not difficult to see the difference. ft I You have got to be kidding...are you that much of a prude? I bet you spend you free time picketing Victoria Secret. REPLY: How much better if the time was spent WEARING Victoria Secret. Don't you think? ft Not all nudity is pornographic. It can be artistic and tasteful. And if all nudity were considered to be pornographic, then my anatomy textbook is as dirty as a porno magazine lol REPLY: If you turn yourself in to the Utah Department of Public Morality, they'll go easy on you. If they have to hunt you down, though, it will be most unpleasant. ft OK, I'll put myself up for public ridicule. I think it's courageous for someone to speak up if they think something is going too far against public decency. Every year it gets worse ... where does it stop? I'm raising a son and am trying to teach him to respect girls and women and to keep his thoughts virtuous, (remember when the Savior taught that looking upon a woman to lust after her was wrong?) It's tough when there is immodesty all around. No, I don't believe in putting my kids in a bubble ... however, it would be nice if "public" had a reasonable and consistent level of decency. What's private is private and perverts are free to get whatever they want from seemingly unlimited sources ... but please don't inflict it upon the public who didn't ask for it. You're welcome to make fun of it all you want ... just please have some respect for the rest of us ... please. REPLY: I agree with you in theory, but who is put in charge of what is a reasonable level of decency. You and I might have different ideas about decency, so which one of us would be forcing our morals upon each other? REPLY: Just do the poilitically correct thing to do... If it offends one person, then don't print it. REPLY: What I am getting at is what if it offends someone to even SEE a photo of a woman? . ft A letter, such as this one, is proof, once again, that the human race was put under a curse when Adam and Eve listened to the Devil (serpent) and covered themselves up. They were fine with being nekkid until the Devil put it into their minds that being nekkid was supposed to be bad. Ever since, we have been held state of being clothed captive to an . as a punishment from God. WSS$M flfiififlfil' ' " it sure causes a lot of grief. This is my two cents worth on the picture. To me she looks like someone that is comfortable about they way she looks. Her expression says to me, "I'm OK with the way my body looks, I like me." I On the subject of the Dove picture as an owner of an intimate apparel business, I've tried to be extremely careful about how we advertised and what we advertised. The picture wasnt porn or in bad taste, but considering it went to the home of every subscriber, it may have been inappropriate considering the audience. - Randy Wright, Executive Editor Dove advertisement Full, uncropped image may be viewed at http:blogs.heraldextra.com heraldeditor. The ad for skin-car- e products was published in Life magazine and inserted in the Daily Herald on Feb. 16. It is part of an ongoing campaign. and still be considered "sexuaL" If a woman is concerned that aging means no more calls from Playboy, then that woman is messed up in regard to what it means to age. 1 1 have seen porn, true porn and this is not even close, I know how some of you might have been. ft The nakedness isn't the point. You can have a naked body without it being sexually suggestive. ... Was that picture appropriate for the board? In my opinion, I would say no. I Mojo, if you consider the picture in the ad pornography. You really need to get a life. ir:y I Wow...You're one man who "gets it". REPLY: There are a few of them out there! ft I think the point here is that the picture that BigD posted IS meant to be sexually suggestive. The picture in the advertisement with the nude woman was not designed or made to be sexually suggestive. Whether or not someone wants to find it suggestive is up to them. Sorry folks. I deleted all the mostly-nud- e photos even though I do not believe they are pornographic A couple of them were sexually suggestive, which qualifies them for deletion. The topic of this thread is, essentially, what constitutes pqmography. But I don't want to explore the answer pictorialfy. We all know that we can find pictures on the borderline, but I would prefer to keep the discussion focused on the photo in the Dove ad campaign that was questioned by the original letter writer. Here it is: ft I think Dove's purpose was to show that their SKIN care products have a positive effect on aging SKIN. That's why you see so much SKIN. No more than you'd see in a shower gel commercial when they selectively show leg, side, shoulder, etc. It's supposed to show how an older woman still maintains her beauty and glowing skin while using Dove products. Nude naked or unclothed, as a person or the body. Pornography sexually explicit pictures, writing, or other material whose primary purpose is to cause sexual arousaL You can be uncomfortable with looking at images of nude people, but in no way could this ever be classified as pornography. , From the person who posted various nearly-nud- e pictures: What makes more sense to me is that this woman is not as beautiful on the outside to some as the pictures I posted, so the people or shall I dare say the women on here feel less threatend by this picture so it's OK. But mine's bad Wow I think that's so hypocriticaL Utah is very weird! . ft I For something as enjoyable as sex, CLARIFICATION: None of the pictures deleted were pornographic Likewise, the Dove photo is not pornographic However, in my judgment some of the earlier photos were sexually oriented, like the male stripper with the interesting briefs and the woman with the poorly fitting bikini top. I simply don't want to get into dueling photos i.e. "You thought THAT was something; well how 'bout THIS??" As for the Dove photo itself, I find no sexuality in it. Sensuality, yes. There is a difference. I (Dove ad is posted) Randy Wright, Executive Editor lYikes!!! I ft I am shocked that this is the photo that started all this! These ladies were on Oprah a couple of weeks ago. It was a show about aging gracefully. ... By the way, I'm about as as they come. And this...well, I see nothing wrong with it at all. need brain bleach! I I admire somebody thats willing to stand lit is not porn, not even in the ballpark. up for what they believe in and say something about it. We need more people in this nation I That's... it? I I just saw the picture in question and it is REPLY: Yes, honest to that will stand for the right and be counted goodness, this is the far from pornographic. It is about beauty havREPLY: She's dead wrong.' She stands up for actual photo that started this thread ing no age Emit. Empowerment perhaps? How REPLY: I was the wrong!!! women view themselves perhaps? Taking expecting something at least REPLY: Do you admire those who stand a little racy, but . . . that's the most benign up pride in the beauty of who you are perhaps? It nude picture I've ever seen. for things you don't believe in? is anything but sexist, exploiting, pornographic. ft REPLY: Notice, by the way... she isn't nude, Using your body to earn a living is shame For goodness sake, look at it and read it. It is ft Uh ful. Haven't you ever heard the phrase, your she's wearing a pearl neclace. beautiful for the message it brings womea It yeah. ... I dont know about the rest of REPLY: No joke. ... And is about time someone addressed you, but I for one see women walking around body is a temple? Would you be OK with anyalthough she probstereotyping one and everyone walking into an LDS temple, like that ALL THE TIME at local Utah swimand womea It was handled well. ably isn't wearing any clothes, I doubt this the hold With honor head in and that will their the as and respect air, lips ming pools!! you disgracing up actually classify nudity, certainly so high for the church's building? Why is a huft This is a little off not pom. ready to explode from yesterday's botox injectopic, but my wife is alREPLY: He didn't man body any different? We should thank God tion, bikini top 3 sizes too small pulling down say it was! He even said ways upset when product ads for for our bodies, not disgrace Him by using them one side of their string bikini bottom. he didn't think they were, but that they ARE women use models in their twenties. I think in ahead" life. We are more than just are Yep, it's a common sight! to "get she would appreciate this ad sexually suggestive. REPLY: Actually, it would be Res bodies. This is just all my opinion though. REPLY: That was ty line in probabry the point of their ft There is no REPLY: What about modeling? Still shamethe the lips. If it were Botox, she wouldn't be ad! It makes sense to me now. way on Gods green earth that able to move them, (her lips, that is) this picture is sexually ANYTHING! REPLY: That ful? just might be the whole point REPLY: J love it when REPLY: I don't know everything you had in REPLY: Perhaps her husband or her boyfriend of the ad.. That beauty is ageless. you talk so...medical! mind when posting this but it seems a little or guys that are turned on by pudgy older ft Naked, naked, narrow minded. Ballerinas, for instance, use ft The Dove ad naked, naked! And now for women would disagree with you. doesnt look "sexually sugthe double whammy mother of all pornograthier bodies, watch one, it's a series of orgestive" at all to me. I see a woman who is NUDE! chestrated poses displaying the beauty of the phy I The reason we have the problem is puritani- comfortable in her own skin (quite an accomcal repression. body. Construction workers use their body plishment if you ask me, when we five in a sonot visually but physically. I Fortunately I have a filter on my Web that ciety that is very much based around an "ideal" takes out all the pictures that have been atI This offends me. image of what a person ought to look like). ... ft The letter writer scores one for the TalREPLY: What offends tached. I havent seen any of them. all I see is a you? What Randy Despite her age, I think it is a beautiful picture. iban. Women should be covered, not a hair on blue box with a question mark in it. You realize Wright said? Or the picture? ' ' r ?'""'' ,. V,"';' REPLY: The fact that he would delete of course that these images are against everythem exposed ft If It think about this picture has broken you BD06's pictures of women in bikinis and post , every stereotype rule in terms of her thing Christ taught. weight, ft Because of the fact that she is this one instea At least in BD's pictures her age and image. If even that is pornographic wearing no clothes, for a forum or newspaper it may I I find a difference between pornography, to the women WERE wearing SOMETHING. It . it could end up being suppression that she offend some people. It didn't offend me, but which 1 4m opposed, and the human body in it's works both ways. I wish that Senior Wright . passes oa I completely understand the letter I could understand that It may offend other ' natural form. . I've been to beaches where the would delete this! like he deleted THEM. writer's stance where exploitation is concerned REPLY: Hmm, I'd have to disagree and . women don't wear tops and you know what? people. say t tbut she aimed It at the wrong target. REPLY: But why coddle the lowest common Who cares? that I agree that some of Big Daddy's pic-- ; . denominator? These types of people should tures were a lot more sexually suggestive " " ft To me, the whole campaign is about celnot be reading newspapers or peering outside I In Spain, I saw a billboard that featured a than this picture. I think this picture is the ebrating the female body and accepting ONLY their houses. The on our bus selves despite our age. I am topless woman. people epitome of nudity. really amazed that fk ogling the ad were Americans the Spani iic ui uBu mier-wrne- r considered this to be . . , . . ft The in bikini it the ish second a kids didn't am There was girl aumDiounoea. ihkis wnat (picture posted by i glance. give , .pornographic. ( L.. . .' is nothing inherently "bad" about the human Web user was no less or no more than this nff....1 A .1,1. other picture was. But in the minds of some showed absolutely NO parts, and certainly noth I have to say that I'm not body, ghat's bad is the negative sexualizatkm outraged at al of the human body which plays on the inhibiwho must have studied it looked sexual The ing you wouldn't see if this woman was wean- - ' In fact; I think this is a great Ad Campaign by tone of last night and today is so hypocritical. tions of the greater American public ing bikini I would have ZERO issue with my Dovey saw an interview with the women that But that comes from woman who is OK in son seeing this picture (he's six) because there's posed for these ads on I think, the Today show I The human form Is beautiful and can be skin also. nothing negative or sexually suggestive about ' or some other morning show. They are all very x REPLY: The bikini picture was designed respectfully displayed in paintings, images, etc K. It's an older woman in a skin care ad. Holy beautiful, sexy, confident women. I like it. Guys without it being pom. Yes even naked- .- If crap, what kind of prudish Bermuda Triangle to be sexual The Dove picture was not I'm probably dont ... (I am a 51 yr. old woman that i go to a museum and see a nude, I'm not all put have I been sucked into? has gone through menopause carrying around sorry if you can't see the difference between out because Its actually an appropriate place the two. Whether or not YOU saw it as that 10 extra pounds, feeling kinda frumpy. Not I From the person who posted multiple ' , any more....rm feeling kinda sexual does not matter, ft WAS designed to to see one. Same thing, if I go to an sexy! movie. .... Seeing a nude image in a publication REHY: Good for youf be sexual It's too bad you aren't able to alnearty-nud- e pictures) Whether or not the pic- fearing more about low people to have opinions on pictures that sent to many family homes in Utah valley of all ture of this woman in the Dove ad is sexually the ad campaign makes me appreciate it . places - that's probably not the right forum. differ from yours. suggestive, or sexually benign, what's good for even more. 'f ( Advertisers and publUlrs should use some dis- the goose is good for the gander. Nudity is nudi- REPLY: Yt pf J soy kudos to Dove for their ' ft The problem I have with the phnfo is that cretion and take into account community stanry for whatever purpose or Intention. I imagine recent eamnaiima thnwina the Kmihi nt g that this woman might be a litUe hurt that she dards or at least publication standards when womea Normal average, beautiful womea "aging gracefully" seems to be defined as the declining ability to flrfyar naked doing such advertising.' got aQ made up with her little pearl necklace, anti-agin- g child-size- d '.J.-- . ..... non-sexu- bo-ow- mini-mirin- c . , . |