| Show rUE PRE EXISTENCE OF MAN Discourse Di C Delivered by Ly ELDER JAMES JAMESE E TALMAGE In Ii the th Salt Sal Lake Lk City Sunday January Januar 12 1908 liy by t F P W In rising to respond to the tho authon call mudo upon me tue to address alldre ou this afternoon ii 1 i t Voly upon the lh flint 01 power which ought to lo toe 4 e prel it In iii I a gathering of people us 14 t d for t i tho tilt purpose c of ot worship or r wOI u hll to tl bo be deserving of the tho Ito Bine ll cannot bo hO false or oh untrue Wot VOI Ot hip lp 1111 and If we have huo huoi i f lit tl and I Idea Iden of o the worthiness of QI f Him Ihn whom whon we St profess to worship t I doubt not that wu we 10 shall pay vay ay proper ar to the tho glorIfication of Ills His Ils power tad and au Spirit among us Ul U Ue Ve We e have bave been promised In itt common olmon with ith all 11 ud mankind kind that where tiny any ni aunt nuni tr br r IK Iii I u it hut but two lO or ul three shall be together in tho ho halite namo of o Chilsi that the Spirit of God Coil shall hahl be lie beIn 10 In lit Ihal gathering We I e have 1 I ly vuu liar In iii II thul name tue and 1111 through t rUth Him who addressed lhea tho the throne of UH us U our e we have hl Vo Invoked Jn the power owr of or heaven to bo ho with i this thin V I limi desire and alit foremost wish In II it yuu IH Is II all that I may mu be he enabled I KIlk unto you yell Ol words of ut truth t I only words hurIs Unit that ore arc true trite 1 but hut hutt ort truths t th I shall shul I bo ho appropriate tO Ild IldI it nd j on flu I tills I ii 1 I occasion This I cannot do doM 0 I M 11 IHn of human power 1100 oven even t l J I 1110 Ito io seas tew i Much In II great degree nor lar larU U to ii knowledge Is lit It possible just jUHt what would bo ho bust beet 11 t I 10 those thuna who vIiu hAte hlo gathered t gut Ii 11 r i I i n the tw inside l Ion ii ti I heaven I ten In and your unity t und mil liar har harmony mony eny of r thought that what tho the Lora Lorn LornS 11 in S ull alII wish tu Isit to tn have hao on this occa ocea i In o n nm 11 atay bo lie II ly wish I U i 1 Ul in uI t 1 j I jail II 1111 I thud and by II l mistake or 01 orrot hor rot ii unto tulle Ullo you yot on that i nut ii tiu Iru u you IH may hilly bo ho 10 able ablo to hi 1 HI It I I und mul ii u I know It I t to 10 bo lie untrue unit and 1111 not noi go in h lieu 1 any li thought that hat the thea fa 11 a sIv s In I line 1111 Iv tie Itt 1 used lcd to seeing large HU ItU 11 dh d u i In this thin building tot for rO 5 hush I We Vt 1 arc quite I to ac w lC ii to 10 0 t rd I rout I of ofus us I u ics and 1111 yot yet If It the Iho I Him Ii I ii al ml bo be with Q of or hid tho Lord wih r us nit tS nod the tho spirit of or worship In our OU hearts every recurrence of such uchi tin on oc or occasion casion as lS this will vIli wi ho 10 new heW unto lit 1 ui und 1111 though thought the thc principle Is old the tho effect Is II ever renewed even onn as ns tho the passing In II their thol regular routine are Iro new from fro 1 year to year Speaking of ot the new itea leI In contrast to the old I am inn reminded of an nit In Interest InterestIng interesting Ing question which I heard presented pr by luy one and oll debuted by I two 10 very I recent recently ly I I remember J I was vas WUI a it passenger on onni onan nn an ni train out Oll of I this city ami amiI flu I listened to a conversation between two gentlemen each ouch of whom lint had spent some settle little Itlo time In Iii Salt tait Luke Lake City Clr They he were note 00 comparing notes noto an as 11 to their and Ind observations One of them th 1 risked asked the tho other Well Weil Yel what do you YOI think of o this people and their new leI tangled religion reH lolI Anti And the other ans answered nn by h asking another question Do DoOl you Ol cull call It new nel Nonsense Why Wh Its Il its huh 11 old oll us as the Iho t he hills hils H his U It I IH hi I a old 01 behind tho ho times lleR And AI ito u uthe the th argument 1 Blurted 1 I was wits an Inter titled tot for tOI a I time hue The Tue one Otto claimed that tho the religion or I the re IC system known Imol to the tho world as us IA I Js altogether novel now new and In iii 1 a ut sense untried the other othI In iti II with wl force Corl and alJ earnestness that the tho I Ito principled un nd nt ot this religion are aru Ile old ohl olda und a ad In II It t that enst behind lieu i ii ti till the times t I An Ait Al opportunity iii t 3 offered its tho t un debate I o pro plO for tOI at mo Ino to ny say n a I word or 01 two und we v three good friends Dt I i toro foro the tho Journey was wait 11 ended Hut I 1 re ye remember 11 member sonic ROle tu toe ions from tot ti one titie I or ut II the theother theother other oilier in iii support of ot tho the or Ci the of this One Oft of or the th gun gon In cited ci tout certain I a principles lull Pies of ours an as II new lien niI the tho other Immediately claiming they thoy worn were old oll One Ono ot of thieve principles HUH UI Us our ChIt 0 belief In lit II I 1 literal resurrection re from rote the thu th dead an nit another nI other was waH our belief lot In lii II a sIn to or our that lint the hue nf tuf lt as II Intelligent hlll they came camo to take uk earthly hOI another ii not ivus wn out our IUt principle tiel lilt of or 0 f mil 11 ai Uon for till tho dead dod 1 1 bellove lloc that butt the nil vaul ago In lu I ii tho Iho t or tut 01 ul 1 was uIs In bit raeh eteh Irh ease cast on 01 tile the Ihl vide of tuf him who IC that t the tho gospel i n eld ild hi I 1 Kion 1 discovered that I hn ha t Hie I 1 hi tin on 11 the lie 1 one unit side Ild it on the tho other WHo were let moro more In Jn a I spirit of mere mee levity than In iii tins thin spirit of or disrespect I cued oled that hat the two 10 In lii they thc were observing th tIt y were elo logical 10 thinkers anti and Ind I Locarno greatly Interested In itt the conversation as IIII 15 It progressed IS NEW W OH on OLD But Hut what think you ou IH Iti this religion of ot tans ours old or 01 Is hi it new newl 7 Are Alo wo we be he hind bind the tho times limes In III the tho sense of o practising V IC tilling u IL religious lel lolla system H slem which Is out nut ou of It harmony with tile tho advanced condi condl condition lion tion of ot the twentieth century or on tho thu other hand are we giving way wn to tho the for fill that which Is novel and strange in lii the tho course courso of ot my con coti conversation with these gentlemen I took occasion to quote from tho the hymn which wo we 0 sometimes sometime sing shrug ono otie that I havo hao heard rendered by ly our nUl great groat choir choll many ninny timoR times In lii this building with marked mall ef et feet Wo We 0 sing What was witnessed In the heavens Why 11 hy nn un angel earthward bound he Ito something with him him bringing Yes c tho tue gospel joyful ful sound It was wan to 10 be hu preached In power On Out the earth a tho the angel wald To Ju all nil men nil all tongues nations That upon lIon Its It II face taco zulu aru spread spiced 1111 i Had wo vo not before the tho Ih gospel I Yes Yos Ie had several taught by b men inca Then what Is tills this latter gospel Tie Tle the tho first otto ono como conic again This was preached by it b Paul Patti and Peter I And by b Jesus Clurid ho ito 0 Head is wo t o latter III Itt I tel saints Mint Sui are uro it ro preaching M vo o 0 their wish I h to 10 tread TUB OLD OiD Ol I COME co m ClAIN In Ilu very CI truth have havo we te a 11 gospel new ly I restored hut hilt It IH Is tint thu old como II I again Thorn Theta IH In nothing novel 1001 ii except tho tim tact of ot UH its m ie and tind the fact that hlll It Is la being lid hg punched tic lieu on o n a and lId lo to I o 1 ii ox t ett t hern v v SItI In I a the t lit history of man bit 1 II I Is Itt not new 1111 III In It in itt thu diu i ait ur of or hit t IH Is I I rely ul I t from that hat I mul gone before IH thu the tho Ion bits fresh tile tho HU u minor less hess warm or 01 the winter lOlls less cold eold because nth each of those has hn conic como In regular and ut lit regular Intervals since tho I hi of oC o f thin t hi h earthly cit hy cycle ot or time Individually I nul I tIuI lILt ii 1 limy Inri y count coil ii t that hut I now I which ii cli tOOt to 10 11 UK nil for fill I Ii a first liis time or that which wo we litto IULo known hut but which now In iii a ti I now lion garb yot Ot of or lI not nc lie lien II Many times in III I it my IH ii ty i ox of if over I a It of a II century n tift as nn tin I l hao imd I young you lilT Ill I 14 come to 10 iu ino 1110 1 iii full II I I of or 1 f tn I ut ti t Homo new lIC hV truth tu hitch they hail Imd now I on fut for Ito thu I ir Ii tu i time tI III 1 0 o how holl Ii o a they lilt IIII to make It to t I tu ni It II I I have ha ye tho itu III IL Iy t I itt I within hilt thorn thom t hum a the I hey 1 hut t t blush go tho 1110 t ho now naw of itt lint Hint to lit e who ho knew It 1111 lii y Vero b Is lilt Yet yot cl to lu thorn t It I t Is I now ii nIl lm about II It I t II a Ii t of ot lw lilt I ln I I of or a IL t now revelation at int of ot the on out hm hits I day II a diu tn i n lit hI hits hlll lt g to rati vU ugh I ong y 1118 nr ii r f labor lubot n u any IllY on itt which ho lie form tori Ii ii ef ot IlIc I It c honor unit hilt I In itt to In I ut hi coil upon Upun U nim thu It iu III i one 1110 11 in i his hili I I lid to J him a it l ha uy U y un alt ux t I itt IH is new no hit tv Yet Yut ot ih I ii iiii r uli III ii I glut tere I I unit who ulu n hallI I I hi le thIn that t hUll him II Ihu bride upon uphill her full It I I or ol ot loll mid ti II is that I I tat hover befu ILl hw hilll hit hull un 1111 ti Ii once nue collie to 10 I i woman I on 1111 uli hilt Let t I her ii or imle i 1001 It ur I tOuts T or grit ion 11 tu I f r 1 hey 1110 ii itt i n atIlt U IH is tho Joy j any auty les In o people 0 ye Dull hg lilli ii ii ti g t lug IlIg I tug In III stIlt C ihu I lint II r t of ot lui hi Ii ul l or 01 Jr i ai ull Into ilie ut Ih tle out gulch of nr those Wll RO t et ellIo it o lJ un but hut the thu hurt hur it oC 01 lier 1101 1 jut ion tio IhO orphan lot tor or flu tho of 0 f n C h 1 hi n und ii lid lilt Ilie I In soil of tt ofa It a that hun t lt i ii WI I for lier her ur lr out TOt for his hi 1 tho antt atut t tl lout Toll Tell hll 19 hi Ilor lIen 1111 Iu l tl tills till tillOn soul On liP to III Yot It counts with ci lIh I Ii an ii 11 I tim sharp if r a s m ace w Brief grItt a it lien I tn III th hl ture nr Ino t beres There are on titi earth who Ih op nit 1 pose lOs III I HIP hI I now Ill contain liSt it cv Ii IiI though I that now linw hi I nut but a it reiteration of If f sri HII old hid truth lb hll p of t tf who whon u n I a t lii III tha licu I rca ull tug of ni f tin I iii history of if sete lice will l I I ti all I I Iu I t iii I ti I th itt gmt thai uris that thai t I I out wim tm 11 ul II Is Covered ored by Iy h I r 1 Hn 11 I known 1 lh Ili of itt n II new If et It I waR ins a ii Tho Thu n it o VM WIl e TO 1 1451 with what they tiley tIl hal lutil mu 1 l si flit Ii ill new Ii even vel iVe it t it lI h It true tUI I nii It lit l endeavored i ii to i 0 tr II I protect Ii rot tsu by b In III dervIni the tin I 1 I Ihal I ha t i ii ry C mi that thu or tu I old he be heI but hUI I in I even ell huh h n I h t were wr lull hill 11 In Ihie th eel said Mill lb eec Pout iii bo ho but luti I III I un hem uis thoro thel I t er ro 1 but bill t I ill III gs M In I it lie 01 t Ii Ii head heid It II I I wan Willi lilt ilie i 1 it c a I I se of nil 1111 LI I I that hat i ea RH 1 lili hl e t I mgt iOu 1St glorious l on ii uis In I n IlIn 1 I 1 two t I Vi 10 ell Ca Ill ls two t Ill u H ri is am U II IH he hi I mouth only t lII more I could bo lie hIll but planet In space Yot In III spite of ot nil iU II II the tw lii noire and a titi nil a II tho Iho I ii tu nonsense an II irs went in 11 1 UN It Us Hili it orbit In Itt thu M I Il Tin l I I VIM SI III hl IL L AntI And so sn with WRit nil to 1 truth of thin tho claim tutu that It Is IH null neW neWall and all ci nil all rut of truth th of tile the false claim that It Il Is too tio old the Hie truth ti will and the word orl of nOlI G oil which ich IH is tho o embodiment 01 Oil I of t truth shall stand Few over ever consider what would ba ha tho tim most mORt ex cx explanation or of o the tho or ol of ally nui truth because of sif this opposition to what It lit called lOW lOWI 1 IV IVI I think You may fluty It In III the words orui of IC the Savior than whom wo we ht vo vono no better hetel teacher loncher no greater phil philosopher ophel o no deeper thinker Cr dO on oIl tho pace ln eq of history hl 1 I quote from flom tom the tho second chapter of Marl Mark MarIl 18 l S And the thc disciples s of John Johl und 1111 of the tho used lI e to 10 fast and they thc como caine and say unto anlo him Why do dothe till the disciple of or John and of nl the Pharisees fast fait hut hill thy Ih disciples 8 fast not mu at 19 And nd Jesus Jo us saM saIl sal unto them Can Call alt time the children of or the fast while Willie UK tho bridegroom Is If with them I AH Aut K long nH as they linen havo tho with them rhy th cannot fast WIt 20 21 tint But the tho days will hil elmo como when the he I bridegroom shall be liP taken awny IIII from thorn them and then shall they the lost fast In III those days s 21 1 No man also a II of or orno new no cloth on un an un old garment I E Ethe the now lIew lubell that it up front from tho tile old und and the ho rent real s a made inada worse wor o 22 And nd no mUll man lIllIth new lIew wine hiie Into old it bottle else the tho new tieu wino wine doth burst the thc bottles and the vue Is spilled oud and the will whit be hI marred j but new lie Wine lne must be h put hut in iu into hIto to neW lI bottles 23 And AntI It Il caine to that He Ito went ent through h tho the corn Holds on tho Sabbath day and end Ills Ilia disciples began a as aM they the tho went vent to 10 tho the ears of or corn 21 2 And 1111 the Pharisee said sahl unto ututo Him Behold why hy do sin they the on cli tho the Sab Sah Sabbath Sabbath bath day that which Is IH not lawful 23 IL 2 Anti And HP IL raid ald unto theta them yo ye 0 never liever road what Dald David did dl l When lid Iou hud need neo 1 and amid was wan as nn no he und and they thoy tho that hut wore were with him hIm 20 26 ho lie went into the tho ot or God Cod ih iii the Inn days R of hid tho th high did eat ent lIt the which Is not lawful to eat lit but hul for or flirt thu priests and gave gae also to them which worn wore cro with him 27 And He Ho said sall unto linIn them tho the was waa made mule for fiul man mann not nol man nian manfor for the th J 28 the thi Son of Man Matu Is Lord Lohl also alFo of ot the tho Sabbath Thin The particular verses furnishing nn an answer to lo the II I naked asked 1 are thes i 21 roo No mon mOil n 1 m piece lucre of new lIew cloth on nn nil old else elst tho the new III piece picco that filled It up away tho tue old and the meat lent Is worse orlle 22 Anti And no tie man new white into hue old bottles els ISO o the tho new lit wino doth dot 1 burnt borst lie tho bottles and tIme the wIno vipo Is und the tin bottles will vill bo be marred but now wine must bo ho put Into haIti now mien ne bottles MUST HE liE NEW DISPENSATION With lIh regard r to tn tile the illustrative 1116 of or new n 1 vine d old alII bottles lot It bo hI tu remembered l that the tho ho bottles of that day dayere nY were ere leathern receptacles made malIc of the tho or partially cured skins of or ani animals mals nials and they thoy tho decreased In strength with age II I became old 01 1 anti and rotten in lii time tinie and on 1 could not lIot stand the pressure of If O fermenting wine inc And AtHI In III very VOI truth no man matu can wow BOW a piece of new cloth to a |
