Show THE DEBATE between 5 1 C and B Y colleas 0 a students of great Int interest arest WARMLY CONTESTED from commencement to to brain well and pond of 13 Y are ara D declared victors The debate at tho tLe agricultural college on saturday evening yaa v ia well attended notwithstanding tho the inclemency ot of tile the nea leati thoi lel outside the lie storm rage raged dand and all was dreary but ineide was n happy and deeply interested as brembly that public inte reit hid had boen been aroused to a pitch never before realized rea lied by any similar event was wag proven by the fact thattie that the collego chapel MIS as packed and extra seats hall had to be c in tor for tile the accommodation of lite throng that attended for tile the first time tile the debaters of the agricultural and B Y colleges were to leetin alay to debate the question resolved that the government should control tile the railway and telegraph systems at about 7 TO 0 the tle college band chich w kiich by the way is ia making rapid 1 l pros roas favored too audience with si iI a few jr tunes nes after which professor Sail inborn S born spoke of gipsy entertainment to be given on oil monday y evening for the benefit of the yo un I 1 ladies cadet corps and invited all to attend miss clire clare kenyon was then called on for a recitation and favored tile the company with charlie ilc ale cr e tim tile piece aas as rendered in miss Ken usual style and till nn encore was called for but could not lie be obtained two of the judges were rather late laic and tho the champions were abbit to pao eced call it a discussion and let each auditor form his or tier her oni oui it opinion as to whom was victor when n hen tho the tit ano 0 d delinquents e appeared aop anti eared cared the jud judges cs choen cho en were ere willard maughan will U G parrell farrell and john A 31 mcalister cAlister the respective champions hamp ions were bramwell Bram welt and pond ot of tho IS B Y moo assumed the affirmative and lewis and boyden of the A C who assumed the ne ati I 1 e sile side of tire quest ion mr bramwell was introduced and made tire tho opening speech ile he claimed that in european countries railroading was reduced to a science ILIA id i d the best results have accrued from government supervision in ili america the large railway corporations were absorbing the smaller ones and eno enormous s profits made for the purpose ot of swelling the immense fortunes fortune of i ailway kinga such as jay gould stated before the senate commit committed teo that filar in republican districts lie was a ile bican an in democratic districts it a democrat and in fit doubtful districts lie also was doubtful but lie was an krie erie man mail a always inac a the speaker spoke of tile he immense sums of money used by the krie erie road as aa it a corruption f und fund it atwi ives g the same wi t it them thein fill all commodore vanderbilt said that aliat it was cheaper to purchase pit than to elect a legislature the tendency seemed to be toward a govern government meia of by and tor for the railroads instead of ef being a government of by and for the people as aa was originally intended the interstate commission had reported all railways as being dishonest and eladin evading the law framed to prevent unjust discrimination in favor of tonic tome places as aa against others no as intended by the long and short haul clause in the interstate inter state Co ciminero minero law lasi behave we haac had li id instances of tile the grasping pra spine and mercenary disposition of railways laih jail rays ways right here at home at one tile the met mci chants had found it cheaper to ship produce to ogden by letin anti anil loal them on the return trip w i ith coal than to pay the exorbitant mit rate demanded heweitt bros loan b by tile the excessive amount demanded deman deil by t the e railway coni company parry for the tion of their r different to todie reni p tits of noi thein Uta liand nd bouthern idaho they are now located at alloise and can onoto four thues the distance at it ii antic intili it cheaper rate attention was as called by tile the speaker to the wonder ful effi t efficiency of tile the postal efficient cien ber vice of t lie I 1 S un anjer er govern government went control the service vas aas steadily and rapidly improving while at the same time the rates were be becoming corning cheaper alie ame tame t would in ill the speakers estimation follow in tile tho cae cac of governmental cont control rolof of the ra railways iNave one item the attorneys fees alone would save fourteen millions of dollars per annum this together with ith tile llie enormous amounts paid for advertising furnishing furnis liing passes and special privileges to tho the few at th the e expense of the many would bring the sum built up to three hundred millions add to aliis three hundred millions the 1 approximate I p profit made yearly lit liy the railways and we e hae tile the val vait 1 A suni sum of six bix hundred mil in ilione liona of dollars that would be saved by government owner leip i the speaker phoned that this savins saving would be sufficient in twenty years to purchase all the railroads in the janit wo tates tales without costing tile the people a cent the speaker epcar er contended ill eliat at the government should at least own the roadbeds it would then allow those to furnish the rolling roll iii stuck stock wl alio to would furnish transportation for passengers and freight at the most reason able rates the speaker then laid eaid that the immense suin demanded yearly hy by tile U 1 for freight on oil coal over anil ani above it 11 just and fair coll I 1 pen bation would in a very short little build a ril to the coal mines the ii ig based on oil the number of families it ii cache county and assumed that each f acl family would burn four tons of coal pur per year logan Logn nand and in n fact lutah utah let hitoi had bad been discriminated against by the railways railway ii and ther result coult was that capital was waa kept out manufactories Manu factories could not lie be made to pay as the high railway ties left lei t to no 0 outlet for their product ill and is where lie re it might be 14 li im import any of tho the raw material it would conic at lucli I a high tato late us as to lie bu absolutely sol prohibitory attention wai vial called to the success attending the lie control of and tile llie onner thip of tile railways by tile x various vi arious rious govern of continental conlin lurige lu ripe cheap transportation efficient service and no discrimination nere eru tile the invariable results mr air lewis of the A 0 was next introduced lie he had lie said been hi highly aly entertained by the select road inz ienir of liia his northy opponent whose talk sounded bounded well but whose arguments ni would not hold leold anater ater if tile assertions made by the gentleman were correct how was it that our iov gov erni tient tho the greatest proa most moat intelligent and best 0 on 11 earth had not seen it il in ili that hat liht light and if key had seen it why biad it not afen dono why should nic e suppo tit eliat tuch counti ica as france england anti and dennany possessed moral more intelligence than tile the united states did ne I 1 e adopt their ineth methode of government did wo obtain the th constitution iud and declaration of independence from them our methods of government far turpa bcd tiny any of them anti in no ins i tince did it jo do so to a grenter greater device degree than in tile matter of the ownership and control of railways men 1 cn if wp we were to admit for tit alie e sake of argument that dial it mould be n good thing thin for the lie government ine ritto to own the railways in this country how was nas it to obtain possession of them by 1 put chase or confiscation tile lie former would be impossible and in this country tun the confiscation of private property was as simply out the question we haj had no not yet adopted european europea n methods ili in that respect rett though doubtless the champions eions of tile the affirmative would think it light to do deeo so as a a fitting prelude to to tile llie control of if tile the railroads raili oads italy had tried both boll 1 and aind found that liar inhale iii ato one I 1 was themo alie must tit economical and efficient under the control of tho the government gobern merit the patron held by sortie some few nien men in tile tho ap nent of ot I 1 officials hall led ell to a 1 I great deal oi of corruption tin tile raili railway tay companies lime bine just as good a tight to place the highest price on ahat which they hive have tor for sale trans trang portal ionas has t lie I 1 merchant dereb an t or I 1 inner armer if the state lias hits a right to fix rates of transportation then it lias has an all equal right to fix by bv law the he price 0 of iny any commodity the statement in made a le hy by the speaker that trans orta tion rates ire higher it at Amei ici than in european Kur countries was nas incorrect acor the average price in the ho U S for the tr transportation of freight is one cent per toti ton per rale mile a cheaper rate I 1 iliin prevails pie vails anywhere in the world now kow to examine the statement made in regard to tile the imin immense enso profits made ac cot chiding din to od nial lial statistics the a was for people i attlio ho hold lie hie rail railway it ay bonds 4 per cent anti and for stockholders 2 12 per cent european lur Euro govel alinell tat lal policy is to govern as much as po poi qi ble hence its control of railroads tile the american policy is ii i i to govern as ag little as possible adf and not to interfere with or endeavor to control pi avate enterprise e a man in it I 1 I 1 I 1 ais country lias has a right to t invest in anything lie he pleases ditl without IOU fearon fear of interference the people of the united still states are more indebted to ra railways ilas than any other country on oil I 1 earth lit in other c countries oun tries roads bere ere iere only built N where here tit population was so ro I 1 dense t hat that the they w he a payin i avest I 1 ment from the stait in ill america I 1 oads ere built where there was no kopul ilion until the brilli railway FIX itself created cities it could truly bensaid be said of the roads in fit tile united states and more particularly of the great transcontinental trans continental tines line that they had made fiade the desert blossom ilg as alie ti le ore lose I 1 mr pond m vaa as introduced at the conclusion of mr lewis retrial ks and arter after making sortie humorous remarks about tile carefully prepared speech of tile preceding speaker which may on account of its ita florid oratory hive have left a favorable impression on oil the minds of it his i a auditors it ud i tore N I 1 I 1 i el I 1 As would ou lol in melt el t aai away ay a as 9 quick as 19 siw before the summer sun suit before tile anay of facts w v bich lie and liis ilis colleague proposed to demolish such snell flowery language with i ich lie pi col cd reconsolidation was possible competition was nina this was amp atillia y proven by tile past history of the railway raiNa yand and telegraph systems of this count country rv lines lie he paralleled pai and binda a short rate war ensue but invariably consolidation settled the pi problem oblena to tile the satisfaction of the competing lines kind the losa of tile the public the great it union was given as art an instance of thi process of absorption anti immense profit l tin the profits on even eve highly in alered ati i friek irk rui rail nil ii high nt at times jimca as to return it per cent in rt it henr their rotes extortionate and uneven thoraces tin Th rates orates helenc beti seen en litfy ent cities wai given as proof and it wits was site n that it sometime i cost more inore to send a me iago age an fn fifty ty than to tend sent it one CoUta containing contain ining iiii in biml number of orda five hundred roli miles leQ it arts as not lotical loi ical to oppose that the ownership or control of tile the railway or telegraph nys tema lead to in ilo pol i treal benl enl corruption or bribery but oil alir reverne would wonlu lie ile tile thu calao b bi the abolition of 0 passes and ami frinks franks there would won lil be ale no money sated ly by ing lines or ini s cli caper I 1 llod would prevail and there te an increase cree in oil if liu miness that in it short timo justify ju attify I 1 tile he still further lowering low erini of rates tha controlled t lie telegraph line in eng land and till was that t bervice annl cheap cli cip rates mere ere the llie rule in tin the Illi ted it atri 9 the large lare cities IIA had a fair fulir aerio penica P wt hip file small ones ila liaci poor pool service no Do matter ertho aliu good or hall tile rates were always high cost as much in ill proportion to send a longas long as a apholt ineis nw ir boiden loii of tile A 0 followed fol lowe mr pond and clah that ahr ity of tile llie railways rail rai lays nava in tile the united buitra p iid no dividend divid whatever lie iio denied also eliat alie railway ervio in any other countr country equaled that of tit alic e U S in point of nf comfort efficiency or 61 cheapness cl e in our onn mn country tile the 11 ji ti 0 11 ot of railways lail ways is estimated at t per mile Ns hile in ill germand Germa Ger malir nv the tie countey tho gentlemen on lie other oilier side HEIO so EO fond of referd ing inato to raila RYS built by the government tile t ne difference in wage dairee cost coat per mile the ini mense patronage patrona 9 bilins clacel it at tile the dip vil of A few hid bad led ell to a system of favoritism anil till corruption that lind had no equal liere here no beneficial ele eie perceptible in germany tile ho rates higher tile the service and cie cic inferior and miles an hour was considered in an exceptional rate of speed the ownership of railways Mil nays hy by tile the U S government bould collert the hie railway into a vast political machine and lead to wholesale corruption tile the party ili in poser could remain so indefinitely by bv having such immense patio naze at its disposal if any altara ti tion of the present system were made it would mould be far better io to restrain those at present existing tl than tn to am aime control or ON ownership of them ir bram ell bad five minutes in N aich to close clode tile the affirmative side of the question discussed lie had lie he stid slid found no recognized lecos nol authority substantiate the llie claims made by the nega lives ile he then read front from several legal authorities to support liia his claim that A all highways should be und under erthe the control of 0 1 I 1 the government and to rulings of tile supreme court on the same question proving that there would he be no ment of personal rights tile speaker denied some statistic lati of his opponents i and quoted Mul Allulli halls alls dictionary of 0 sta as his own authority uno one of his opponents hall had said that we till did not go co to france or kni ena ind to find tile model for our constitution uell ell neither nc illier did we go to italy the country the gentleman M was SIS so 80 1 ond fond of refer to mr I 1 lawis wis closed for the negatives nepa tives A san student den t friend of his who was now in Germa germany riv in a recent letty lette complained of tile the c excessive x charge made on tile the bai ange lia carried in excels s of t ali I 1 weight allowed it anin tinted to live lot lars for carrying twenty five pounds a distance of forty miles if ti alie I 1 e supreme court had decided tha it was right forthe for the government to t control alie rail railways ways why had it not lieen set donea it had been in countries where both been tried that private owne ownership iship and control ila had been the most mort beneficial anti and lie hoped that thai 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