| Show President Mackay of the he U V of U UA Alumni Alu A Has Another Say Editor Deseret N Nes ws The answer an ler lerot of ot the Agricultural College alumni to our S claims that thai tin the th college has lian in UT college stud students The Tho commission found 71 il college coll ge students student enrolled and 51 S in actual attendance on the du day of the official at lit the col college college lege The alumni contend that the commission erred In not allowing that all 1111 In III the college above aboe two years of ot high school work are college arid and not riot high school students and at lit attempt attempt tempt to prove tro this contention by b showing that the college rolle freshmen course is somewhat identical n tui to the names of ot the pursued with the tho freshman course COUr nt ot the university which requires three years eara of ot high hl h school chool work for tor entrance Hut But tho the show showing Ing Is II of ot no unless the aim l 18 to prove that In the agricultural lI college preparatory school the student learn an as a much In two io years yearn t U as 11 they the thedo do to In other similar schools in thre oJ Alt All 11 schoolmen know that years rear eau beyond boond the district school ached Is U bare bareI ly h I nt mout universities and college rollel require four tour years un for tor ad ml wl slon on to 10 real college work and to contend that the tho agricultural agricultural college wIth oily oly oiO two years rs of ot prep preparation rep should lit be h considered red college before they the are ate really such Is III to beg bJ the th question queM Ion as all to tho the auto num number ber bir b r of ot college In each elleh school which was all nil the oem com commission mission ml lon aimed d to show how ho COST CAPITA The college roll tre alumni quote the follow tollow followIng following Ing In from the Ihl report of ot the commission General fund for tor the verity ISO OO General Control fund for tor agricultural college In ln the 51 12 students of or high school Ide at 41 per tr capita This taken token from froll rota the gen general eral 1181 fund iIO loaves tu to I be bl divided equal equally ly I 1 among HC college colle stu students students dents which would be he for tor forc c each eh student m mIn In the th college U IU grade students at atno no 10 per por capita J I m 43 students of ot high school grade at lit JU m per capita Total 21 ThIs ThU amount taken from the general gentral fund to be dl di divided vided among 71 il t college students which would be for tor each eich Mr dr Ir Porter proceeds II to criticise these thue figures of ot the commission by b an at attempt attempt tempt to show that the cost coat per capita for tor or college students In the Agricultural college is only on I The answer maintains that Th The salaries paid for tor Instruction In work of college grade Jrade amount to 10 1 litO mH to be 1 among HI col college college lege 1 le This Is IR for to I In Instruction for each carh student of ot college c grade The cost o t per pr student for build buildings buildIngs ings equipment Improvements and miscellaneous expenses Is I 90 This to the thO cost cot of ot Instruction makes make JM 5 the total cost per annum for tor student of or college grade This is II i somewhat orn what less Ir s than It Is II an honest representation of or facts The Insinuation that the commission Is it I dishonest dl hollet and that tho theu college alumni alone are arf honest In their Is II refuted by hy looking nt at the figures of ot both parties lI For since the college receives 1010 per year for tor general maintenance and since It 11 has hll a 1 total of or 63 students if t f the th It Hi students student claimed d to be bf of ot college grade cost roH only anI S U each year or a R total of t then the remaining students high school and dIe dis district school cost the remainder of ot 1101 20 2 1 per p r year ear or If which Is IA Isper per capita for nr district and high school students at the Ih Agricultural eel col 01 leGe or more inane than MX Ix times Umu the th usual cost o t of ot district school a hool students and more morl than three tunes times the Ihl usual cos cosof cost of ot high school students In other schools The commission llon showed howd that the per rr arlt east cost Il of or 71 jJ college students was more morl than Ihn four tour times as RI much mitch ml h In the coll rolle college s as I In th tha university The Th eel col 01 I I alumni try tn to amend this by b ply plying J Ing figure which show ho the cost toU of ot each ont ono of high school chool and district school e hool students nt to bo ho over three times a IU as great as 8 In III other high schools antI and over oer six Ix times as M great as sa In district dl schools Wherein does this showing Improve their case po They Th quote In full tull along with certain references to th tho the alleged of ot the commission In abridging this letter Utter In their report a letter from Proto Prof Hrand which says faa Idaho Wyoming 1 I 11 Nevada and Cull Call California fornia are art conspicuous examples o or of western oe lorn consolidated schools In III the thi Institutions of ot these states state you ou will nd very ver very verb wr few tel agricultural students Idaho rd ho has less lela than a 1 half halt doren and California comparatively few consider considering log ing the agricultural wealth ard arid population lation of ot the state This Is 11 quoted d as III a great and an over or overwhelming whelming argument In favor tavor of ot Ipara separation lion tion but are our esteemed friends sure lure that the above quoted attendance Is II not for tor students student of ot college grade so that had Utah a I conspicuous example ol or western separated schools school II been b en added addeO to the list the Agricultural college e ol ot Utah Plait would have hae proudly stood out with just nine students From rom the same letter leUr they quote n a table showing that the consolidate agricultural schools of or certain states named lIam have the t following number of agricultural Illinois M ICS Minnesota 13 California US 16 Nebraska ka h a 22 t Ohio 91 Tennessee 4 II While he the th separate Cl rate schools of if agriculture In It h he the states named below hlo have the fol tol folon on Ing relatively gester attendance lova ona Ml a I Michigan CO Washington iJ U Kansas ln lUI ess 65 Indiana no 30 hiIs Hut the lbs th comparison prove nothing unless by ty a state nent of fit the relative amounts of ot money mane to 10 In each of or the named and also al o A It statement as II asto to n the classification or grade graile of ot the stu students dents In lit the schools compared nn On fl the th other hand scores serea of If similar letters the overwhelming majority In n fact ta act I were received by h 11 the commis commission Ion sion and similarly abridged favoring alwinA consolidation Con of ot the higher schools resident Van RI an Hl lII e of ot Wisconsin I for tor example says Aa that the th agricultural eel col legs r f of ot that state united with the Ih uni university university null has ha more than 1000 1010 students I UPON tIO The college all alumni attempt to tl show ho that fewer fener students would attend the schools school If It united than If Ir kept separate because The students In any an college oll e come front tron a i radius of ot a few te miles mil Ill This statement Is II perfect If applied to district schools Is II fairly but by b no moans In 14 wholly applicable to 10 high and has hili least iray I t application to o Ml real college colIe students who ho number in n i scarcely Undoubtedly If It there theor were re three higher state schools chool Instead of ot two ho this number might be Increased to pay gay 84 CM ClIO Hut But If It Instead of ot making three or more mor higher schools as the ar argument of or Mr AIr Ic Porter would to tobe be Lit the but course Me we should hould establish t a n largo large larl number of fit ig local high schools and limit the of at college grade Krale to 10 Ii unD ono institution we f should hould multiply mull I Ith the th number lumber of or students receiving high hool training ty by b about the th ea nac t number of tit high schools so M established Anti Ant since the college on Its It own onn show showIng II Ing Is Ii mostly mo II high school hool then by b es u establishing the tho inor mOrt usual kinds of ot high schools In many man towns teams Instead of ot main maintaining taming one unusual form torm of or high school In one u town ton n only U Logan tojAn ian the tie ratios ratio of f fIn gain In would I k be measured b by the of r high schools hoote II to brought athin the reach leach of 1 the people e A college tr lIere In each flirt county would Increase e but little the number of It college students in the th stile for tor Or one on college could all a th Ih the higher work ark while It a high higi hi III school in lii county COUnt and inn In each rach Arl nf ot the hI larger 11 on us 1111 would multiply the number r of high school students Sine Shiel te e MII irs high shoots schools and also allO s vr l colleges or universities the greatest t tood good to the th working men attn and ant women woman would require the concentration of or the higher institutIons Into Inlo one oiw school hool slid and the dl of ot the highs hl h s hool throughout the state stale On Feb Jeh Fe 10 IS lW 19 th Ih the commission slOn found round but nine nin student nl III In In lit the Agricultural above bove three years of ot hie school hOOi gra grab orall If They found lIe college oo e students r r l In the lie school of ot mines at the university r th the day before Who Is willing u to say that there would 1 lIP lie half h as R many mall If It the hool of at mines existed alone atone In some Mime other town of ot the hf state Mr Ir Porter fears teM that the Indus Industry Industry try of at agriculture would lose Us Its It dig dip nIt alt If JC the study IUd were associated with wIll the study of ot other Industries R not riot the opposite effect he be produced Would not more men inert study Agriculture and certainly nl with 1111 more pride linde If It in tn instead instead stead of retiring to a M small corner of the state they the could study lull stul It In a greater school side Ide by Ide sIde with men who are fire studying other Agriculture Is i not dignified by b Isola Isolation isolation oln tion The that the university idly sity would pHate against t the education i Ion tion of or working men md and nd women ls Is utterly a knowledge of ot the facts ta ts Tim university exists ulata for or th that the state at tl Its own students drawn from front the homes home of ot tho the state are largely of ot the Industrial classes and receive a 3 practical training for tor practical useful and Intelligent work ork MORAL MonAr INFLUENCE Tho The tact fact that thal Salt HAlt Lake City otters offers many maO man more opportunities for tor or the Ito student to earn money mone the college colle alumni does dOla not attempt to controvert Hut But they the retaliate with an attack upon Ul On the moral Influences Influence of ot a 1 larger city Travelers often compare city and rural groups of ot young youn people similarly train trained ed under the same home hom Influence and church life lite In personal life refine refinement refinement ment m lIt self relt control and freedom from compromising situations th Ih the adan advantage tage tago ta 1 Is Invariably In favor ta or of ot the city groups group There Is ovll In iii a city or In Ina Ina ina a small town tot to which a student or any an body hod bod t lie else s may buy mil find rind If It he seeks 8 eks It II but the influence under which the student naturally comes come in a II city is the Influence influence ence enee of culture religion and of ot truer subjection to law than In a rural town Educators of at keen observation hays haIl declared that the th morality mor lIt of student In the larger town ton Is superior to that of at students In the smaller town ton but bul the plan proposed ed Is III to eliminate high i students tram from the university and to keep them under their own home In during their youthful years yean It If the college rollIS alumni sincerely que hoot the ability of I students of ot col eol lege I e grade grude to conduct properly In n a city tit they the question qUe lIon the propriety of ot the existence of at such uni ulmI universities as IS Harvard Yale Vale Columbia Pennsylvania J Chicago and Oth others The i supposed increase in the cost roS of or board In a city as 1111 compared with lIh a Ii rural town lOW 11 It if it be a fact act Is II exaggerated In lit Mr Ir Porters letter and In any all event would be he cheerfully paid by the college student for tor or the educational ad nd advantages advantages vantages of a city elt DUPLICATION OF COURSES Mr Ir Porters letter revives a matter which was nas WI fully tully considered and set lied led by b law lars during the lust Jut at session of ot the legislature While hile the school of ot mines did not by b separate name nane exist as a department of or the university till yet HI courses In engineering were given In Iii 1 th the un university as early earl as D fly the Enabling Act Acl approved Pl Jul July a 16 IUt 1894 H the university was grant Krant ed acres of at land I for tor the nt and maintenance of a state tate school of mines was wa o i with mining and electrical t R engineering e s in courses cour s In pursuance of ot that provision I The courses In civil 1111 and mechanical I engineering grew out of ot the courses In mining and electrical engineering because of the absurdity of ot leaving heaving then them t out Dr Merrill director of ot the school of ot mines minI proved before Idore the legIslature 1 that the additional cost 10 t to 10 tn Ih the university of ot courses COUt u In mechanical and civil engineering after atter It had been equipped to give gle courses coursel in mining and electrical engineering was wai 3 not more than WO per annum for tor or the reason rellon that the services Kenke of at not a Il single addi professor or Instructor would l lie be e needed ne It was lna further shown that with Ith the single Ingle exception of at a three lItres hour subject In Irrigation all the en fn engineering and mind other work vork prescribed by b the Agricultural college In Us its courses our 11 In civil and mechanical engi engl was waa given at the university If I It be he that the engineering courses courtes are older In the college than ham In 11 the university It then we this fact tart The Tha school of ot mines minea after only five te years enn according to Mr Ir Porter Porter has hu 16 college aile Ie students where here the Agricultural college In oil nil Its Is departments department after atler 15 1 years has ha only Hi college students and a 0 third of at these would not rank as A college students student In th the school of ot mines LAND lAD I D FOK 11 OIt The fhe cohere collete alumni assert that It If combination were effected the lIme university shy sity alt would not have land for tor or the tbt work of ot agriculture The tural college coUtu now non no has haA III Ill I I acres of ot patti partly part hilly hi bill and Ind gravelly soil lol In a R cli climate cJ climate mate male that Is I not nt representative of or the state tat the university has h t 2 acres acre t cv ery 11 Cr part lat hut but one or two tl acres acrel level lerel le all 11 fertile tute available for tor any In agricultural al 1 use whatsoever and now noVo supporting substantial lawns and thrifty trees of ot many varieties arett Mr Ir Horace Horae Cuin director of at nature study studs states stales Malt that the soil soli 01 h ii of or the highest fertility well adapted to All In purposes of ot expert experiment ment meat and Investigation THEIR 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