| Show ADY f A AIN NED Dt Steel Corporation Head Denies That Foreigners Foreign Foreign- ers Were Employed to Prevent Unionizing ASHINGTON Oct 2 2 WASHINGTON Charges of union labor leaders that the United States Steel corporation employed many foreigners in order to prevent tho the unionizing of its men were denied I today by Elbert H. H Gary chairman of the tho corporations corporation's board when he re resumed resumed resumed re- re his testimony before the senate senate senate sen sen- ate committee investigating the tho steel strike But you think foreigners s are responsible re responsible responsible re- re largely for precipitating this strike asked Chairman Kenyon Yes but If we had known there was a substantial number of the kind of foreigners who are resorting to violence violence violence vio vio- lence and who I believe are under the leadership of outsiders we wouldn't have employed them Senator Phipps Rep Colorado asked If it was possible before the warto war warto warto to secure necessary labor without employing employing employing em em- foreigners and Mr Gary re replied replied replied re- re plied in the negative adding At no time would we employ a man who we believed disloyal to this country country country coun coun- try even if it would have been necessary necessary necessary sary to close dose down our manufactures fir Mr Gary said that before the control labor law Jaw became effective it was possible possible pos pos- sible but not probable that foreign labor had been imported If It you have no unionism Senator Kenyon asked who is going to speak for the men How can individuals without unions present their views Judge Gary replied that as has been frequently done individuals or committees committees committees com com- of workmen could present grievances to foremen superintendents managers or even higher officials Id like Uke to know what the difference difference differ differ- difference ence is between you and the labor unions Senator Jones said Democrat New York Unions are endeavoring to compel employers to contract with them Judge Gary an answered and wh when n that is done nonunion men cannot be em em- emI I I What good is is' it for men to belong I It tb t tb unions said Senator Walsh Dem I Massachusetts If when they Join you refuse to discuss anything with their representatives Lets settle this point right here Senator Walsh said Will vm you confer I with with any representative of organized labor abor today to help settle this strike I will not not Judge Gary returned Asked If he had any suggestion for settlement of the strike Judge Gary said aid if peace were maintained the law upheld and individuals left free the would settle it themselves WALSH INTERRUPTS We put ourselves squarely upon the issue that this is a question of the open or closed shop Now as to what will bring about the closed shop we must decide from time to time depending de depending depending de- de pending upon the facts presented At the present time time the union leaders have brought about this strike which Is no more or less than an attempt of a minority to secure control of the interests of the large I majority including not only the employers employers em em- but the employee what you say they say they represent a majority Senator Walsh interrupted Is there any reason why we should not leave that to arbitration ar- ar Judge Gary protested that he hadnot had hadnot not ot been allowed to complete his statement but Senator Walsh broke broken I in n I I want to know yes or no wh whether ther representatives of will see any you that organized labor Please answer or no no yes With all due respect sa said eaid id Judge T u Gary with flushed face I I cannot answer answer yes or no If the minority could succeed I in n said the witness securing control contro that would bring about the closed dosed shop Therefore at this particular time the circumstances are d different different differ differ- in this ent than than ever existed before country I doubt if IC you realize the danger of the minority securing con- con tr Walsh I I appreciate that Senator rejoined but I also appreciate the danger of oC employers refusing to see their workmen I Judge Gary protested strongly I have refused only to meet outsiders who are trying to organize or organIze organize or- or the steel Industry GARY IS SORRY If you were convinced that 50 60 percent per percent percent cent of pf your men were organized and represented would you confer with them asked Senator Walsh No said Mr Gary Im sorry if I differ with you or with others Im sorry for hundreds of thousands of suffering families Senator Walsh Vash retorted Mr Gary protested that his position had not been t fairly iry explained If the union leaders should disclaim any intention to establish what you ou call the closed shop would you discuss the situation with them now asked Senator Jones Dem of New Mexico If they should make malee such a disclaimer disclaImer disclaimer dis dis- claimer in In good faith even it would not satisfy me Judge Gary said because because because be cause I know that leaders who promised prom prom- promised that would be shortly displaced and their positions taken talen over by men who would continue progress toward the closed shop I cant can't discuss the situation from the viewpoint which members of oC this I committee take I cant can't talk about arbitration or compromise at this j I time I MIGHT AS WELL QUIT i If your our policy now Is to refuse to 1 II accept any compromise we might aswell as aswell aswell well quit now said Senator Jones Asked for tor his views regarding legislation legislation legislation legis legis- lation on the general question of corporation corporation corporation cor cor- control the witness suggested suggested suggested sug sug- a federal commission to charter and regulate corporations with the commissions commission's actions subject to final I review by the federal courts I I I recognize Judge Gary said that the power of concentrated capital necessarily necessarIly necessarily involves the power to do more or less harm I recognize the fact personally that concentrated capital has the advantage over the single in indivIdual individual individual in- in if concentrated capital is inthe In InI Inthe the hands of dishonest or unfair men I Therefore I T think concentrated cap- cap ital should be under control and supervisIon an- an against wrong I think at 1 the same time that tha capital capital caP- caP ital is subjected to supervision and that concentrated labor also should be subjected to control of the government and of the law Senator Walsh asked if Mr Gary would agree that capital and labor both have made mistakes and when Mr Gary Gazy answered affirmatively Senator Senator Senator Sen Sen- ator Walsh asked Then isn't that a reason for arbItration arbitration arbi arbI- 1 That That depends on the circumstances circumstances circumstances circum circum- stances Mr Gary replied |
