Show DEVELOPMENT T Of MtR A T M RI t tJ J J Hill Tells What He lie Necessary to Bring This About FIRST CREATE A DESIRE FORM If There Is Profit In It the People of I Country Will Want to Encourage lu Shipping Now Nast York May IllY J Hill lilli president of ot the Northern Securities company and nd of ot tho the Great Northern railway Ill 11 n this appeared afternoon as ns a D witness before the th merchant commission the Joint congressional commission which Is Investigating the tho causes at of tho the decline of or American ship pIng pins In order to suggest measures for tor remedial legislation fo Ilia first thing necessary said Mr Is H to create creale n a desire lit In In tho iho peo plo pie of ot this hits country to own ships fl It lleo t Is a II purely question If It there theN Is s a n profit In It people will In III Its Ih It It f u II loss It la Iu u II question ion how long pro peo plo will stick slick our OUI conditions on tho thu high bight seas Bens ea as liS 1 a nation seem hard hald to t meet On laud land In hl spite of ot mutes of or labor the tho United States him hus been able to work out u n system tI tom without im un Why w we ue are not able to do this life oil Ol tho time high seus Is II not to me rue and an lH as fur far III as I have it 1 I believe Unit tint no of ot direct bonuses will build It Into ills a life worth woith living What hat the tho coutry wants In Is a n mar ket Outside of ot our agricultural prod nets acts cotton grain oil there are n very few tel things we eve can export because tho the cost COt of ot Is 18 FO so high Wo We o not sell Bell thorn If It wo we would weld curry products In our own bottoms It would be a n source of ot great profit They Tile The can build In I mulch much cheaper than here horo Citizens of or other othor countries tiara have owned ships for tor the last forty tort years to a II greater extent than we weI I have had experience In building two ships tho largest In n tho the I I dont want any more I would undertake to build buIl l 1000 miles sidles of ot railroad than two ships It has taken four years Instead of at two If H we are 1110 going to buy Luy n a merchant marine out of oC tho the treasury treo ury of ot the coun country country try It wont last Inet long bong We 0 must give people confidence to 10 Invest In Japan they thoy have havo built up tip a 1 largo large marine they haw have protected but hut I do o not remember the tho details Our business on the Pacific Is hard wo WI w o have to compete with all nations std and they tho nIl arc lighting very vCr hard for the tho oriental trade And I think that wo two have havo placed obstructions obstruction A In III tho the way WilY of ot this idle trade Wo cannot comply com pi with the regulations placed pili cell on us au com compete compete pete peto with ships of at other nations Wo Yo have been forced out 1 I dont clont think you will make much of or a 1 success of ot buying a tI merchant ma ml marine rine It ft wont stay with you You must get gel people Interested but hero thero does docs nut not se seen nl to bo ho much disposition on the part of or the people to go Into shipping In answer nm er to a 11 question of ot Representative McDermott Mr 1111 Hill Hili said that hula his two big ships cost rost 10 to 20 percent per percent cent more to build here than abroad adding Wo o have havo very cry tell few sailors every one pleasure ships Go do to 10 Puget sound the tho heads of ot the unions arc aro boarding rouse house keepers kC pors A man who Is la dead broke and broken down by hy excesses is 18 the man sent to 10 us The name way along shore You Vou hire men man as all steve stave stevedores dares dores good ROM competent men mid and tell them to come next day They dont como come is 1111 as long Ion a as they have money tho the others rue lire sent ent Suppose your leave your ship at lit some port What are arc you ou to do cia Hire litre and tho the result results Is s that while you ou muse uie nominally pall pallIng Ing under the Iho American nag lIaA you rue are sailing under a II foreign one You Vou might Just an as well try to each a II blackbird In Inthe Inthe inthe the a te Irl c ns ne to 10 make mako those firemen como come comeback back backA A foreigner might ht crone come In and take away iny our coast con lit trade Hut But let tat me tell you OU that on tho lima lakes Jokel the tho lowest rates are paid that arc Aro paid held anywhere In lu Inthe the tho wot world Id Six yenta yearn ago wages were high but Ingenuity Inen I and dispatch dl des patch gave cave the tho best service In the tho world Mr McDermott pressed tho the question of lit governmental aid ald But Is IH the government able Ihle to gO BO tar far enough 1 asked Mr lull Hill If It you ou will admit ships tree free Bald he lie you will Ret got a n I merchant mer merchant chant merino marine quickly How Ilov are we wc going to Ket a n merchant marine asked Mr Ir McDer mott not ott If It you are arc willing to put a n tonnage tax on nil that goes to n a foreign market everything that goes roon out of at tho the country even Iwen lo to m v markets I think you would get tho tire ships That first would como come out of or ortho the tho people Tire The t hp ship subsidy started In about 30 Anilines I hUll hud Induced tin the Japanese to 10 take our cotton to mfr 1111 with theirs delta so that It II would make a letter bottor yarn ern arn Tho Thu Finer noor war IM broke broil out and we WG could not get ships on nu tho the Pacific const COllet t l had find to 10 cancel nn an order for tor bales of or cot col cotton cotton ton pmt In December I came on ma cost cast and dIW ELI Fairbanks and anti Benato Renato I askew why wo we could coull not get gel ships to carry our goose goods Senator Han Hanim im nt said ho would sot sec me m In lu the thu morning and ho did dill The Tho result was its that lint ho opened his hili campaign In Ohio on the tho ship subsidy Then your remedy remell asked n k 11 Mr Ir Mc Me McDormott McDermott Dormott Dermott Is an nn export ox port bounty Yes YeH that Is le It You Vou seem to bo ho b very cry pessimistic P over the tho outlook said Senator That Tint Is because I have looked nt fit It from a n t ly business a standpoint I built hullt those tw till ships simply as ns n a regu later to try tr the experiment There are only two courses open either un an export bounty or government assistance which would rise Into very elY largo figures Then your you Oll convinced that wo we shall have havo to le give glo some sort of ot govern government ment aid or go out of or business bu asked Lodge Ladue exactly It If you tux fix II a n limit of or 10 years on tho ho subsidies the till favored par party party ty t must make the tire cost of or his file plant llant In inthe tho the 10 TO years Otherwise o ho lie will sell sail out outto outto outto to tho he other fellow tellow How lIow much do you think would bo ho required for tor subsidy Senator Mallory I llory Oh 01 or would get geta getIL a IL lot of ot tonnage You might take talce It out of ot tho the river harbor bill but I 1 Itell Itell tell you OU the great big hh navigation Is to 10 tobe tobe be on m steel rails That Thal Japanese line you spoke of asked Lodge Is very vory subsidized In Is It not mint notI I f talked to Ito about this he ha was tyros with me mu III two or three days das and Is la very capable If It there Is III a 1 bounty bount for the tie theline lino line It l is la so o covered up tip that I 1 was ins not ruble able to discover It The Tho hearing will continue tomorrow William O 0 Bewail representing tho the firm aril of ot Arthur Bewail Co of ot lath Hath Mo which has built sonic some of ot the larg largest largest est nail saU cargo ships In ht tho the world for tor the tho foreign tore Ian trade said that lint Ills his yard which witch was w na established In In 1623 hums been soars closed during tho lie last hoist year y eRr ear because of or dullness In time the ship building b Industry He lie sold said he had 1101 no faith In tree free ships that lint It Il Is Ix a n distinctly measure Discriminating DI sullies duties he did not favor entirely 1 Homo Home bill hili granting a 11 bounty bount on tho iho basis haAI of ot mileage and capacity c with some moll mail subsidy would be b e the tho ho best town form It must however l ho o liberal li beral Standardization IB le not tho the only trouble continued tho tiro w Lobar Labor Rile a nd material ore are even cven greater granter instate factors In hi Increased 1 cost coat A r merchant marine marino would open up tho lie markets of ot the world to United States trade anti and secure the tho transportation tt of ot our sear products to our own benefit benell t There Thero a n few tow of ot us 1111 loft lott said sold Mr air It If we wo ore are going to keep our yards open upon we Are e must have govern gOorn lent si assistance Mr Hen Sewall nil made a n strong plea lIen for tor tho tiro sailing vessel which trains com patent men mon tar for tho the merchant marine He Hc l ie his hl company compan has hass grout great reat dial gutty In for tor their ships |