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Show Harrison and Cleveland Discussed by Statesmen. fudge llotmtm says Harrison has Sated fuj.cco during Ms Presidency He tills i Story of Resident On e land and Outturn the Democratic Retrenchment Policy thai the Ralttoads are Ruining us and our Jtillic Lands going to , horeignersStnaloi U'otcolt talis of the West lie tells of hew Western Mm ulll soon run the Nation Colorodo ultl be the Kan i'oih Hole 0 the ) lure Its nonderul Manufacturing and Agricultural IbssibilitiesHe discusses dis-cusses President llamson and says he Defeated the Republican l'aityThe Secretary of the Interior and uhy he should come from the WestSenator Cat. Once and his Presidential hee The Plan of Work and Organization by ' uhleh lirice exfrels h reach the White House His social career at Wash- ' ington and his Chanty at Lima, SV. bpieUt CVtmipo-itfrittt 0 tkt Ann Washington, I'cbniary S, 1853 I lutl a chat hit night with Judge Holman, during w hlch I asked him as to President Harrison's future. Judge Holman re- I piled: "I don't know what the President will do after he leaves the White I louse, but I suppose he ulll go back to Indianapolis to lite He has, you know, a good house there and Is a rich man " "How much Is he worth? ' said I. "Oh, ( don't know exactly," replied Judge Holniau, "but he his made a good deal of money out of his law practice and he ough to have saved n lot since he was elected. The White House Is by no means an expensive place for a President In comparison with his salary, and I doubt not that Harrison has saved from Juj 000 to $150000 during his presidential presiden-tial term. He gets a great deal moro than his mere salary. He Ins his house furnished His servants cost him I practically nothing. Ills fuel and light . are paid by the government. He makes ' a great spread at his receptions ultli flowers and servants, but these are almost all given lilm by the government and a great part of bis floral decorations come from the green house of the White House It would, it seems to me, be a high estimate to say tint either he or President Cle eland can have spent more than 13,000 or J 15,000 a jcar during their presidential terms." "Then I suppose President I f arrlson must be worth at least two hundred thousand dollars?" "1 dont know," replied Judge Hoi-man Hoi-man 'Two hundred thousand dollars W- Is a great deal of mow-y. Still I suppose I President Harrison was worth some- I where between fifty and a hundred thousimi dollars when lie enlered the White House. He has always been a frugal man and he has never spent much on his campaigns, and during his stay In Washington before he became President he led n very simple life and did not waste anything In entertaining." CLECt ASM AND TIIL OFHCK II0IQER8 "How about Cleveland, Judge? Do ou think he will nuke many changes In the offices?" "No I dont," was the reply. "I think he will Increase the list of men In the civil service and that few chinges will be made. I think many of the foreign appointments will remain as they are, I was with President Cleveland once In the White House during his term when a delegation called to ask him to remoc one of the Central American ministers. They stated their case while I was there and President Cleveland listened soberly to them. After they went out he turned to me and said: "It seems to me that these men are very unreasonable The man they want to remove has been In that place for eight years. He gave up Ills business to go there. He has learned the language of the country and has become settled He Is doing his duty better than a new man could do It I don't see why we should change him and I won't." "I have heard President Cleveland express ex-press himself forcibly upon this matter at other times," continued Judge Hot-man, Hot-man, "and I don t think he wants to make many changes. President 1 larrl-son larrl-son has kept a number of his appointees In office and there will probably be a Sreat many disappolntwlmtn about the me that the new appointments are expected to be made." UNCLU SAM OOINO TO RETRENCH, ' What is your Idea, Judge, of the next four years? Are we going lo have an era of retrenchment in government expenses? ex-penses? ' ' We are bound to have," was the re Ply. Uncle Sam Is becoming a spendthrift spend-thrift and during the last few years Ills pocket book has been open let every one and to cvcrvthlng Our people are gradually growing scry extravagant and our federal taxes must be cut down Wc must reduce them, not by millions, but by the tens of millions, and wc hue got to do this in order to maintain republican re-publican Institutions I don't care how rich wc get If we can keep down the taxes Wc are now the richest nation on the face of the globe and we arc growing richer every scar. As long as the money Is properly distributed It Is all right, but our enormous taxation is bringing about centralization of wealth. The money Is collected dollar by dollar from tl e seven!) -odd million people of the country and the hundreds of millions thus collected fill Into the hands of tens of thousands. The result Is that the rich are growing richer and to a certain extent It seems to mo that the poor arc growing poorer. We hao got to cut down taxation," lUILKOAm AND ANARCH!'. 'Do you think, Judge, that we nre groulng rich too fist? ' said I "Yes, I do," replied the judge. "The land grants to the railroads brought the hordes of emigrants upon us so fast that uc could not digest and nsslmllate them. Had tho country been settled up mora slowly Americi would now be Inhabited by Americans Instead of consisting of a succotash of nations. The opening of these lands took capital by the millions and men by the thousands from eastern states. I'lils was not noticed at first, but the lands of the cast have now fallen In consequence, 1 arms In the great valley of the Ohio have depreciated depreciat-ed 30 per cent and more within the last twenty ) cars, and along the Ohio river, where land was worth f 100 per acre ten years ago. you can now get It for $ 50. Many of these land grants were bought by foreigners. I ngllsli and German capitalists own nearly all tho 40,io,mo acres granted to the Northern Pacific railroad, and Mr. Carter, the land commissioner under Harrison, told me the other day that lorelgn capitalists own 5 000,000 acres of mineral lands In Montana which are filled with an almost Inexhaustible wealth. The emigrants got their lands In the west on a small cash piyment. Had crops resulted In their not being able to pay the Interest, and there are today more tenant farmers in Kansas than In Indiana The end of the trouble has by no means come. The strikes and anarchy shown here and there over the country aro a foretaste fore-taste of it. The real danger will appear about twenty five years from now, when the whole country is taken up by settlers and when the question of dally bread will be a vital one with millions " A CHAT WITH SENATOR VtOLCOTT. The abov e. pre the Ideas of an old man of one of the older states I want to oiler them with achat Iliad yesterday with one of the brightest oung men of the wist, faenator Wolcott 01 Colorado, Is the best human type which grows west of the Mississippi Spmutid In the nursery nur-sery of New Lngland, from one of the oldest families of our hliiorv and surrounded sur-rounded by the associations of the Purl-tans Purl-tans and Yale College, he was pulled from the ground by his ow n energy and ambition and transplant d as a voung man Into one of the wildest parts of lliu mining regions of Colurailu, With a Srcat great grandfather who was one of 10 first governors of the Connecticut colony, Willi a great grand uncle who was George Washington's Secret iry of the Treasury, and with no end of relatives rela-tives In tho revolutionary war, he dropped dropp-ed his genealogical tree In the cast and began life as a young lawier at Georgetown, George-town, Colorado When lie first practiced law there he tells me that the Judges often pulled pistols out of their coat pockets mill enforced order at the point of n gun. He soon showed hlmscllable to take his stand with the best of tl cm. Georgetown soon got too small for him and he went to Denver, He is now one of the ablest Senators from the west and he has shown that his gra) matter is fully equal to his blue blood He never says auv thing about his famllv, how ever, rnd he lias made his n by sheer force and brains. He Is a man of wonderful brain power. He Is a great reader and rets more hy Intuition and quickness of intellect than the plodders ol the Senate do by hard work He has the muscles of a prise fighter and be Is the personification personifica-tion of physical vigor. I asked him as to the future of flattest. fla-ttest. He replied ' It cannot be estimated We have hardly begun to scratch the surface of our possibilities There arc vast regions west of the MU-lsslppi whlih will be eventually settled and the center of population pop-ulation will .soon be west of the Mississippi. Missis-sippi. A large pait of the west which Is now considered worthless will be In the future the best agricultural part of tho United States, and a vast manufacturing country will grow up on the edge of the Rocky mountains. coiott'tx) Tiir mw ork: or the FUTLRK. 'Take for Instance Colorado It Is looked upon as made up of mountains and deserts. It willbewllhln another life time the greatest state of the Union It will surpass New Yorkand It will have tho same political Influence some day that New York has now. In fift) tears its population will be ns great ns that of Ncwiork, and it will surpass I'cnnsjl-vanla I'cnnsjl-vanla In lui manufacturing We havo gotten millions upon millions out of our gold and silver mines, but ucvvill get more than this out of ourcoal fields. We have thousands of square miles of the finest anthracite coal, some of tho Veins of which are twenlv five feet deep 1 ou will not find this coal In any quantity outside out-side of .Pennsylvania If our coal veins could be spread out over New York State, according to the estimate of a noted no-ted geologist, they would cover It with a carpet of line coal sev en feet thick. There is first class iron near these coal fields and wc are just beginning foUevelon our maiiUritttirirle "'Werrave'Vist 611 fields In Colorado, and we are already supply ing all the cities of the United States west of Denver with coal oil COIOKAuO- AN AGRICl.LTl.RAI. Ull IRk 'Colorado Is to be the great farming empire of the United Stales," .senator Wolcolt went on ' Wc have already millions of acres of land under cultlva tlon and every inch of the Colorado des ert will sonic day be cultivated, U Itbln not many vearswe will have a great storage stor-age svstttn will which catch the water of the Rocky mountains and spreod It over that vast arc 1 lieu It does every Inch 111 that land will lauL.li with the harvest 1 here is no land so rich as the Colorado desirt Wherever ou find the sage brush growing vou may know the land is full of meat. All It wants Is water, and with Irrhrstlon we will never have a failure fail-ure of crops I am not talking in a hoisting hoist-ing way. Colorado is destined to be the greatest state of the Union, and tho jounp; men of the west arc to be the must influential men of the future. Till VOUNG MEN OF THE WEST, "Tell me something about the voung men of the west " 'The east docs not understand the west," said Senator W olcott. ' Our two pie aro made up of the cream of the cast and the live men of today live west of tho Mississippi. They are), line energetic en-ergetic and steel muscled They are careful thinkers, and I bellcvo In the future they nre destined to be the balance wheel which will keep tho marhlncrv of the United Slates in order. They hold to It because they believe that both metals should l used as money. They think It wrong to place the national currency cur-rency on credit. On n gold bails, if we could turn all of that metal that the world onnslnto coin, we would vet lack eighty per cent, of the inonev requited to do the business of the world. I his means that four filths of our currency has got to be on credit. The moment vounegm to base the national currency on credit you are at sea nml the only limit to its Issue Is In the filth that the leaders of parties hive In the government. govern-ment. The voung men of the west are thinkers upon all political questions and their physical surroundings arc such as to make them a great people. Colorado is fitted for the nursery of i,reit men The greatest peoples of the past have been In the mountains or on the seashore. sea-shore. Their phvslcal surroundings stlm ulate their intellects, breed In them Imagination, Im-agination, harden their muscles and give variety to their life. In my state vou keep ) our lungs filled w ith ozone. Nan breithc champaigne as It were, and nil that there Is in vou is gotten out l'eop'e w ho get their liv lug out of the fat loam of the prairies breed Into mediocre same nets Their towns arc all the same and all alike. The people are ever) da the same flat, uninteresting landscape, and their only conversation Is whether there will be fort) or fort) fivo bushe's to the acre." RATHER HARD 01 THE PRESIDENT. ' By the wav. Senator, I see that Colorado Colo-rado Is fast changing its politics. Is the state going to belong to the populists? ' "No," replied Senator Wolcott. ' Our mlmug'popu'Atlon aaJ our farmers don't' care a cent, for the populists. They were disgusted with Harrison and did not like Cleveland. They wanted to show their displeasure at the way things were going and they voted fur the third party. 1 his was so all over the countrv. and had wo nominated any other republican but I lar-rlson lar-rlson he would have been elected Had Ilfilne been nominated I believe lie u uuld be olive to-day andwould have taken his place In the White House on the 4th of M arch The unpopularity of our candl date was surprising I dont speak of himsoou (irrsonal grounds. Wc of Colo radii never made but one request of him during his administration, and this he did not grant Had he (.ranted it It would have inadenodtffeuiicc. Huisapccu-liar Huisapccu-liar character He Is the only man 1 know who can offend a m in In granting his request, lie cant even say vos1 dcceiitl), and there is hardly n public man In the country whom bo lias not Insulted In-sulted or angered, tills was felt in the Republican parly all over the Union and there was n dcadl) apathy in our ranks. We would have carried New York If we had had a full Republican vote and I am iiirowc would have elected our ticket had some one cl e headed it. THE WKST VND HI SEC KrTARY OF THL INTERIOR. "Another reason for President I lar tlson's failure," Senator Wolcott went on, ' is that he lias paid no attention to the w est during his administration. 1 1 Is trip to California did him no harm and not much good You can t affect the people of tli 1 west by bows and tiro mlscs The) want acts and work Harrison Har-rison oflended them by proclaiming against silver In advance of legislation and he worse th in ignored the west ly Sivlng us a Secretary of the Interior who ad no coni eptlon of us nor western In tcrcst Secretary Noble has been utterly ut-terly Inellielent and Impracticable. I Ic has hampered rather than furthered the Interests of the country. Why, he actually tied up 6,000 ouo acres in, Colo rado to keep It from being settled. The Interior Department is the greatest business busi-ness department of our government. Its head should be a good lawver, but at the same time a practical, far seeing business man. Wc want tho biggest men, the proudest men and the best men of the country for sueli positions We want men who know the United States and as to the Interior Department, Depart-ment, menvvho arc acquainted with tho west and western inteiesls. I don't know who President Cleveland's Secretary of the Interior will be, but It Is to be hoped that he will come from the west." CM- MUCK AND THE I KI.SIDI NTIAt III K, Senator Calvin S. Price of Ohio has within the past two) cars jumped away to the front as a national quantity. He is one of the most inlluentlal men of the Senate, and he has mado friends by the thousands during bis stay hero In Wash-Irgton Wash-Irgton lie Is n man of wonderful clearness clear-ness of intellect, great powers of organisation organi-sation and unbounded ambition. While I was in Ohio I visited the put of the state from which he came and I found evidence everywhere that a j,rcat big presidential bee has gotten Into his auburn au-burn hair, and that his schemes are pointing to the White House He hoped that the presidential lightning would strike him at the convention which no nunated Cleveland last yuf, and he Is H In the White House race for the luture ) , ,l for all be is worth There la no limit to H tils ambition and bo has a far belter ,tH chance of success than una w ould at first H glancu Imagine, He comes from a H pivot 1I state He is a present the strung- tH est democratic quantity in that state and . H he Is making himself stronger every day, I H There is no man in the Senate who has I liH nbettcrpolitic.il organisation than Mr. 'H Ilrlcc He keeps a corps of clerks con- H stantlynt work sending out documents. , H seeds an t letters to his constituents, ami H he has studied the people of Ohio So H tlnth knows them almost down to in- H dlvlduals 1 very editor In the stale has M received from him a map, and nearly H ever) prominent democrat has 1 big JH photograph of lirice. which has been H mailed to him with the Senator's com- H pliments lliroughout the back districts H you can find letters from Senator Ilrico H to leading farmers which are framed by JM them and hung up in their parlors as H mementoes of their acquaintance with a M great man All of ilia colleges and H educational Institutions get the Smiths- M onian Keologlcilsurvcyandeducational H reports, with what appear to be private M letters from Mr. lirice, and every farmer M who could do bis cause nny good lias H had one of these horse books which urn H ver bard to get but which Senator M Price's men have captured and sent out H In some way or other. lirice Is working M on n erand scale the same scheme that H one of his agents, ex Congressman I e H I cv re,w orketl when he wasln the House H I.el evre confined It to his district, Hrlcrt Jj has extended it to the wholo state of B Ohio, and before this session Is over the B scheme will probably include In one way HJ or other the leading democrats of tho HJ whole I nlted States There Is nothing like pergonal contact or contact by Ictte r BJ with a man to Insure his voto and his HJ support, and lirice Is working this thought tn the fullest extent. He Is BJ sparing no money to make himself felt Bl and his millions arc merely tools In his BJ bands A part of bis scheme is his big BJ sod il career at Washington, upon which B he has entered bv renting th Corcoran B mansion and remodeling it at vast ex- Bfl fiense He spent last year something Bfl ikcJi,K a month for his rooms at the IB Alhngton. and be gave one dinner which Bfl Is said to nave cost him f 11,000 I find B that this last fact is hurting him to some Bl extent In Ohio. Democrats who work Bl for n day are astounded at a man BJ pajlngfu.ono for a single dinner, and BJ they cant understand how human BJ stomachs can eat so much money at one flB time. He has given a big dinner nearly BJ cv ery week this season and his enter- BJ talnmcntshave been the finest of the Bfl vear. He started life, )on known ns a flB poorbo). Ilolias madclilsown lortuno Bfl and the probability Is that hecanbe fir Bfl more extravagant In expending it and Bfl keeping the good will of the people than Bfl a man who slatted life rich He nivcr flB makes any fuss about his charity, but I Bfl happen to know that he gives away a flflj ureal deal to the poor. Not long ago flB he gaveljoo to a church inn little town flfl near Mma and during the late cold L Bfl snap he gave orders for hundreds of ' flB barrets of flour to be bought and dl- 1 flj strlbutcd to the poor In different parts of A IB the country. I rAncG. Caiuemtks. ff |
