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Show "IS MAY PILLORIED AS TITANICS WRECKER AFf at w eift .J 5T .4 Aft WHILE TITANIC RACEQTO DDQM Major Peuchen Declares Managing Director Was Wining and Dining Din-ing Captain Smith, Although Both Knew Icebergs Were in Path of the Liner; Blames Them for Speeding. RAYNER ARRAIGNS 9 ISMAY IN SENATE B "The Martyrdom on I Board Sinking Ship Is Too Fearful to Con- I template, but the Of- I ficer Responsible Has I Reached His Destina- tion in Safety and Un- harmed," He Declares. I I By internationsj News Service. NEW YORK. April 1 ! "J. ISnioe Ismay knew of tin' presence oi icebergs, bul arrogantly disregarded the dan- H "Aol when the Titanic was every instant Pacing the pnssihil-Lty pnssihil-Lty of mnning ini an ice moun-uiin. moun-uiin. Air. Dsmay was dining Cap- t;iin SmHll h'; of llioni in even-ing even-ing clotjhes in h lower srilM.ii when the captain, al least, ahouid have been al his posl of 'July mi The statoment was made today at the Waldorf-Astoria by Ma.jt.r 4rtbur Peuchen 01' Toronto. Ontario, who waa impressed. a,a ;jn oarsman !:i;. rho Ben ice of one of the Titanic s lifeboats and made bis way to it at the jerii p his life, by going dovrn band over haml nloncj Hie ritiir which dangled from one the davits. jH I Determined to Speed, "I know or ismay'a kjjole.je of the iceberg danger Prom ; eonversatioa repeated . iie r.u toe I arpatbia wHen vrc wore com i into port, by ao Auitrr-icaii Auitrr-icaii lady, "said Major Feucben. i4'Tbo lady nab Mis. Byorson of PhilaWf Iphia, xvho lost her hosband and son. Mrs. ! Eyeraoo waid to me; 'Lato Sunday JJ afternoon, while rho Titanic as yoing H alonr at a last rato I wont to Mi. Ismay a ud said, "Oh, Mr. Istny. I hav H heard that the wireieM has roporlci a hirge number of icebergs in the path of H our ship. Arc yon nut goinp to order bor to slow down.'" He replied. "On the contrary, Mrs. Byerson wo ar, go- IB irtfr to go alonp fa-tor than wc have been going." And did !jo faster.' "' Calls Captain Derelict. Mrs. Byerson, who is under the care of physician at the Hotel Belmont. rr ?-. i could not be socu lo verify it; but it : -' I was learned from eoral (t her friends ' that sbo reported it as an exact eon-iTHtion eon-iTHtion with the White Star chief. ; ''I know as a matter of cold faet.'? : BE yl Major Peuchen, ''that ou Sunday V " nipbt from 7;:i0 o'clock tintil nearly ' 10:;J0 o'clock Ismay and Captain Smith I with several other men were having a dinner party in one of tho saloon?. Iu 1 H E -my opinion, us a man used to discipline VslV-" and responsibility, hp should bare bfen -.r on tho briilgn, knowing as everybody aboard the Titanic knew that tbera B were iceberg en route. 1 suppose, however, that be was inviled to this u r' (Continued on Page Two. l I ISifS VOICE I ALMOST FAILS AT TREjNOUfRY Managing- Director of the! White Star Line Gives His Version of Titanic Disaster. "(Continued From Pafre One.) Ui addressing Mr. Franklin. Mr. T tn m v no.-! the cole a.Mro.x Jala-frank. Jala-frank. " and the urgent in" he rnt to Mr. franklin regarding MS deposition of tho rresv wore as fob !Mr. Franklin. w York. Very J i.r.orr url - - i - boW ttdris till 1 , Fridav for Titanic rrw. Answer .1 Signed.) YAMSI. Bi identlv then was eg WSJf.J0!) thifl rneeaagc 'n whieli Mr. Fraoklin M lid not expresn j similar opinion about holding the CedrtC, lor some time MOT the following dispatch waeeeni out by iriVlnsi i rem Trie Carpathia: "Islafraak, York. Tbiak most i unwise keep Titanic . row until Batur-1 flnv. Stronglv urge detaining Ceaneljj mJ -.,!inf midntfflit. if definihlc. I Signed i " Y MSL " Again i if apparent that if there w. an answoT to this dipteh it was ror favorable to holdiDg the CedriC, for " Yamai ' ' put through tho follow ing meagc- "Iilafrank. New York. Unless you have good :nd substantia reason for nor holding Cedrlc please arrange to do o, Most undesirable have crew in .New York so long (Signed.) "YAM8T.n f Mich a plan existed, however, as alleged, wa frustrated The mem ban Of the rew. when they disem-j barked trom the Carpathia, were, rounded tip in the .h-d on the southern part of the t'unard pier, but soon. n.:.n of them got mixed up with the steerage passengers and became scat-1 tcr. i. ISM AY'S VOICE TREMBLES AS HE TESTIFIES MEW YORK. April 0. The story of I bow th( Titanic mot her fate was told todnv to the United States Unate com-r.jttt-e, investigating the Titanic dis-s:ter. dis-s:ter. bv I. Rrtice Ismay, managing Biraekor of the White Star line. When asked the circumstances under which he left the boat. Mr. Tsmay replied re-plied almost in a whisper: "One of tho boats wan being filled Officers called out to KnOW if there were nv more women to cn. There w none. No passenger.- were on the d k An tho boat was being lowered I to into :r ' ' Adjusting his cuffs, Mr. Ismav was visibly nervous when, he took the it a&d. He gae his age at. SO years. Ir response to a few formal questions he said he sailed as a voluntary pas-aenzrr pas-aenzrr on the Titanic. "The accident took place on Sun-dnv Sun-dnv nisht." he said. "The exact time Dn 1 know, because I was asleep, 'hip sank, I am told, at 2.30. I Understand you have been told th0 Ti t .! wis running at foil speed, she r r had run at full speed. Never Speeded Up. "She was built to go eighty revolutions revolu-tions and had never been sped op to We never had all her boilers rs rkint: It was our intention tfl speed the boat on to her full quota on Tue- : 1 it the catastrophe came to nre ' vent it" Although 'no on a "voluntarvj trip," Mr. lsmay said hid purpose was-to was-to oo how the ship worked and in j what manner she could be improved upon. A representative of the builder Mr. Andrew, was on board, Mr Ismay Mid. J ; "Did he survive?" asked Mr Smith. ' T nf -irtunateh , no. ' " Mr. rmav -aid i! was arranged between be-tween him and Captain Smith of the Tit.inic not to arrive at New York lightship before B a. m., Wedneeday. "Th.'re would have been advantage in i arriving earlier," he added, i "Wai there any attempt to lower ; the boat? of the" "arpatnia to take on sur-vivorj as vou went aboard her!'' n.sked Mr. Smith. I Twenty Lifeboats. "There were no passengers to take on," haid Mr. Ismav, "In your lifeboat, what course did you tnke" tr.e senator asked. "We saw a light and headed for it," said Mr. Ismay "How long were vou in this lifeboat!" life-boat!" "About four hours." "Were there any other lifeboats that vou saw?'' "Yc?., we hailed one," he said. He said he saw no liferaftfl in the r,i. "now maiiv lifeboats wore on tho Titanic?" "Twenty, altogether, T think," replied re-plied Mr. Ismay. "sixteen collapsible and four wooden boats." "Wore all the lifeboat that loft the Titanic Ti-tanic arrounted for?" "I think so, I've boon told so. but I don t know of my own knowiodKe." "It has been suggested, Senator Smith Continued, "that two of the llfebOata sank As soon as lowered. Do you know uny-tlitnp uny-tlitnp about that'" "I do not. I noor heard of It and I think all the lifeboats were accounted for " "Did you see the Titanic sink?" No Confusion. 1 "I did not see the Titanic ro down " Mr tanas ald, shak'nir his head mournfully. mourn-fully. "I did not want to seo hor go down. was rowing In the lifeboat all the time until we were picked up. I turned back onre aftor we left the vessel. ves-sel. 1 saw hor jrreon light and nover turned ba.ck aRaJn I did not want to se t.'io or.d " ' Wa. thore confusion apparent on the Tltanl when you looked hak?" "I did not see any," Mr. Ismay replied re-plied "All I saw waa the green light the last time I looked " "After you left Captain Smith on the brtdce did you see him again?" "I did not." Hid you have any messago from him?" "Non" "How many WlraloQl oporators were thero on the Titanic. "I presume there wore two." said Mr. Ismay. "One Is always on watch.'' "L'ld they Mirvlve?" "I have been told one did. but I do not know whother It Is true." Wero un; of the '.row enlisted men In tho English navy?" "I do not know." Construction of Ship Turning to the -,-,nstructlon of the ship Mr IsrriHy declared ti-.o ship WrtS spe-elally spe-elally oonetruoted so thAt with any two of the larjrrr compartments full of water she still wonld float. "If tho ship had struck headon she probably would be afloat today," be added. "Did any one of the rollapulhle boats sink?" "No. sir." "Did you attempt to intorfer with the working of tho wlreleM on the Carpathia Carpa-thia ?" Th.o captain prohably will tell vou I Was not out of my room from the tlm i I got Into It until last night." wa-s t.. rwphr. "Durtns the vosraae did ran know vou wete In the vicinity of ice?" Sonator Smith asked. "t ko fome had boon reported." ro- ! piled tho Witness. II mid the ship was not In proximity t.-. Pehergs Saturday or Sunday, although be knw the ship would be n-ar Ice on Sunday night. Tho witness sai'1 ho know nothing of th Amorlka and the Titanic (talking by wireless nhout rebrgs. Senator Smith ,isk.i if he sought to '..1 nriv wlreleM mcgsgos from the Tl-I Tl-I tame aftor she struck Ho did no!. Order to Lower Boats. J Turning to the subject of lifeboats. Mr. jlntnay said he beard the captain giva the order to :..wr the boats. "I then ioft tho bridge." added the of. i ficial. Tl-ree boats, h" said, he saw lowrl and fJUad. In this boat wi re four imembets of the crew and forty-five pa- anMM. Wa." thote any Jostling or atten.pt hy j men t'i get Into the boats' - asked Sen- i it Smith, i "! jw i;on " "HOW were the women seiel?' "Wo pl.-ke.) th- i)mti unci 4 hi:lrn r the stood nearest the rail " Kopre-.ntatlve Hughes handed 8et;ator Smith a not and then the chairman told Mr lemaj thai It was rtHi;teo that th.- ad iif-boat left without its full complement com-plement of otrimm. and from 11 no until ' r,nn were forced to row the boat i know nothing about it." aamaaotathre HusheaVa daughter was n thtt boat anl w,. ss,gn.d to watch - erk in the baai eo. if ,.4n 0Q, to uae sr finger as etopp..r Mr Iama was sked hon i..nK hf r,. -naln-d on the Injured ship : "That would b hard to aay " ur 1. ' '' ' I' A n ot until' ali sat i .probably ar. hour a-d a quarter As a f.nal QtjeatlOfl to hi. -xamlnation Mr to.a was asked arh., ht4 I h-n be got at.- the llfehoot. "A r!r .f !lppr. a pair .f pajamas a s-j.t of clothes and an overcoat " he replied ml' " Mr. Ismay su asked to ho'd hlmaelf ,,,.,w'ln'l, during the day for another j cal. oforo the committer Captain Rotron of the ".Tt ua tol-- tol-- d Mr Isma He told Mr Srn.th that .vl vr . arain of the ("arpathla sln- last January, but that h had bean j a sea man twenty -seven years. Waat day did ou last sail from New York with the Carpathia?" akeJ Senator Sena-tor Smith. "April 14," s-aid Captain Roatron "Hound for Olbraltar." "How many passengers did you have?'; "I think 120 first class, flft- second class and about 545 third class Dasscn-gers." Dasscn-gers." Story of Voyage "Tell the committer) a'l that happened after you left New Fork." "We backed out of the dock at noon Thursday. Up to Sunday midnight we had fine, clear Weather. At 12 35 Monday Mon-day morning I waa Informed of the urgent ur-gent distress signal from the Titanic" "By whom?' "The wireless operator and first officer. offi-cer. The message waa thai the Titanic was In Immediate danger. I cave the order or-der to turn the ship around i.-j soon a.' the Titanic had given her position I Bet a course to pick up the Titanic, which was fifty-eight miles west of my position. I sent for the chief engineer; told him to put on another watch of stokers and make all speed for the Titanic. 1 Md the first Officer to stop all deck work, get OUt the lifeboats and be ready for .my emergency." emer-gency." Arriving at the scene o th accident Captain K...stron testified he saw an Iceberg Ice-berg straight ahead of him and stonplm: at 4 a. m. ten minutes later h: picked up the first HP-boat. The ifflcer sane out he had only one Beam an n board and was having difficult) ir. manning bis tent. Enormous Icebergs. "In a radius of four Mllea I saw ail the other lifeboats. On all aides of us wero Icebergs, sorrje four or Ave hundred feet high. Wre k.ige was strewn about up. At 8.?.i a;; the Tltanlc's survivors were abOs rd." ! Then, with tears filling bis eyes. Captain Cap-tain Rostron said he lolfl the purser he wanted to hold a service of prayer "Thanksghlng for the living and a funeral service for tiic dead "I went to Mr Ismay," ald the captain. cap-tain. "Hs told me to take full charge. An EJplscopal clergyman was found among tlo paeeengara and he conducted the serv. ices." As the prayers wer 1 eing sid. Captain Cap-tain Rostron testified, he was on the bridge searching for survivors. He told of talking with the Caltfornlan, which had arrived. As he searched the sea one bodvwith a life preserver on floated by. The man was (lend, prohahlv a member of the crew, the captain said. The body-was body-was not picked up. the. officer- explaining. "because ti-.e survivors of the Titanic were in nd condition then to see a body brought a hoard." Heroic Survivors. "But I must suv." declared Captain Rostron. Ros-tron. with positlveness, "every one of the sun-lvors behaved masnlfli ently They sat In the boats until the order "came for them to mount the ladder In turn and then came up.' Three members of the Titanic crw wore taken from the lifeboats dead from exposure They Were hinted at s--a Asked nbruf the lifeboats Captain Rostron Ros-tron said he found one among the wre age in the sea. SWeral of the lifeboat! brought In on the Carpathia to New York h e said, were lowered lael uipht and hauled away bv tenders, he knew not where Had Seen No Ice. "I had seen no Ice before the Titanic signalled US, hut I know from hor message mes-sage that there was ios to ho sBCOUn- Ted t had extra officers on watch end some others volunteered to watch f.liead throughout the trip "aptaln Rostron said thr '&rpiit hl.i had twenty lifeboats of her own in accordance ac-cordance With the. Rrltlsh regulations "Would not t h .it indicate that the regulations were out of drtte our -hlr. being much smaller than the Titanic which aiHo carried twentv lifeboats''" Senator Smith asked. "No The Tltanl. was supposed to he a lifeboat herself" "Ton say that the cnpta.'r of a ship na. absolute control over the movement of nis vessel?" "Vos. by law that Is the rule." Cap. tain Rostron answered. But, Suppose no got orders from the owners of our ship to io a aertau thing If w.. do not execute that order we ore liable to dismissal. When I turned back, wo sent a message to the '' inard line office aavlng I was proceeding proceed-ing to New York union otherwise ordered. or-dered. I then started. I received no order to change my course." '".iptaln Rostron thou rrr.'nlned that It was for the good of the hipwrcked people that he brought his ship to New-York New-York t--..d Of eolng to Halifax Mr Ismaj. sitting In a corner, sallied as '"aptaln Rostron said he never know of a managing director of one line giving dire, tlons to the captain of another line when pansenger of the captain's boat Women Were Rowing. At Repreaentat Ivo Hughes's suggestion. sugges-tion. 'aptaln R.-atron was ask'd further fur-ther about the lifeboat with one officer ' and one seaman In It. This was the i boat from Which the representative's daughter was rescued At leaat two women wom-en aero rowing. In another lifeboat he a women at the oars, hut tiow- many he could not tell Why so few mesaajPSS came trm the ''arpnthla wa gone Into OiPtatn Rr. ' tror- d seta rM the first messages, all sub- j slsnllallv the same, were sent to the W1 It. Sinr Hne tlio ("unard lino and tl Associated Pres. Then the first SI second cabin paaaenrer Hats were real and then the wireless faded. Senator Rmlth said some, complaint I d eeti heard tVat the I'arpa'hla had I I'rt0, ,"J"'rZ'y rM Taft s Inoulrv ! Tor Malor Butt r'attaln Rostron d 1 ' 'J " ""J Waa Kent. "Not on hoard " - He. deolarad s Vr.. nf no attempt of Pro.lder.t Taft to corr.munl. at- dlrectlv I with the Cartathla. '"aptaln Rostron toetifled h Issued or dors that no mfuitrx be s-nt x-ept on Inatructlons from him and for official ' business to go lirst. then private fflSS-1 fflSS-1 eages from lli- Titanh- survivors In order or-der of filing. , William Marconi, tho wireless Inven-i Inven-i tor. was the next witness. He entered i the room with Mi' Tsmay who took his i -eat rear the wltneea stand. Mr. Ismav was more nervous than at the forenoon session, constantly pulllnc his mustache, plchtog his throat or rubbing hi head Marconi Testifies Mr. Ifareonl took the stand as soon as the healing was resumed for the afternoon He said he was chairman of the British Marconi company, t'mier instructions in-structions of the renfpany, he said, operators op-erators must take tile!:- orders fi om the captain Of the ship on which they are employed. "Do the resolutions presciihe whether one or two operators should be aboard the ocean vessels"" "Yes On ships like the late Titanic and Olympic two are carried." said Mr. Marconi. "The farpathla. n smaller host, carries i :ic The Carpathia wireless wire-less apparatus Is a Short -distance equipment. equip-ment. "The maximum efficiency of the i""ar- pathls wtreieee. i should sny. was 200 miles. The wireless equipment on the Titanic was available for S00 miles dnr-Incr dnr-Incr the daytime arid 1 000 miles at night." I'o rau consider thai the Titanic was equipped with the latest approved appliance?" appli-ance?" "Yes. I nlionld sav that It had the verv best." Senator Smith asked H amateur or rival Concerns Interfered With the wireless communication of the farpatiiia. Second Officer's Story. That finished Mr. Marconi's testimony. Charles Herbert LJghtholder, second officer offi-cer of the Titanic followed Mr Marconi. Mr Llghtholder said he understood the "inxlmtim peed of the Titanh- was Shown bv Its trial tests to have been ??j to 28 knots an hour. Senator Smith I If the rule requiring )lfe-saln? apparatus to he in each room for each passenger n-u complied with. "Everything was complete," said Light-holder Light-holder Sixteen lifeboats, of which four were collapsible, were on the Titanic, he added add-ed During the tests, he said. Captain Clark of the Ri-itish Board of Trade was aboard the Titanic to Inpprt Its- llfe- sai lug equipment, "How thorough are these captains of tho Board of Trade in Inspecting ships"" asked Senator Smith :'Captaln Onrk Is so thorough that wo "alle.1 him B nuisance." Llchtholder sold he was In the sea. with a lifebelt for one hour and a. half "What time did you leave the ship?" "I didn't leave it." "Did It leave yOuT" "Yes. sir " "Where wore you when the Titanic sank? "Tn the officers' quarters " "Were all the lifeboats gone then?" One Boat Not Launched. ''All but one. i iras about ten feet from It. it was hanging in the tackio and they were trvlng to get It over the bulwarks the last time I saw it. The first officer, Mr Murdock. who lost bis life, w-ns managing the t-aek'e " "When did you see Mr. Ismav?" "When- we started to uncover the boats He was standing on the boat dock "What was he doing?" "Standing still." "Was he fully dressed"' "I coudn't say for sure; It was dork." "When you saw Mr Ismay twentv minutes after tho collision, were there any other passengers near him?" "I didn't see unvone in particular." said Llghtholder, "but there might have been some." The witness described the collision as a 'slight Jar followed by a grinding sound." Llghtholder said that on Sunday ho saw B message from "some ship" about some Iceberg ahead. He did not know the Amerika sent the message, he testified Making Good Speed. The ship was making about twentv-one and a half knots. Llghtholder testified. Ho said this waa not the best the ehlp ould do. "Pld you havo an ambition to see what the ship could make?" the witness was asked. "Naturally, at some time." ' 'What wa.M the weather?" "r:iear and fair." ''Were you anxious about Ice?" "No, sir." "And you put on no additional lookouts look-outs ?' "No, sir." "When Captain Smith, came on the bridge at five minutes of nine, what wa -aid " "We talked together generally for twenty or twenty-five minutes about when we might expect to got to the Icefields Ice-fields He left the bridge. I think, about twenty-five minutes after nine o'clock nnd during our talk he told me to keep the ship on her course, hut that If I was the slightest degree doubtful about con-lltlonM con-lltlonM developing, to let him know at once." " r f . 1 you keep the Titanic on her course llien''- Senator Smith asked. "Yes." When did you next see Captain Smith?" "When T came out of the officers' quarters after the impact." Llghtholder replied. "Then Captain S-rnlth did not return to the bridge before your watch expired?" "1 did not ee him " "What time did you leave?" Gave Place to Murdock. 'I turned over the watch to First Officer Of-ficer Murdock at 10 o'clock ' "io you recall now just what the Tl- 'ani CS position S8S when you turned o er the watch to Murdock?" "I do not know sir. but T did know at tho time. Wo talked about the Ice that wo ha heard was afloat and I i" mfmber we agreed we should reach the reported longitude of the Ice flo.-H1 about 11 o'clock, an hour Inter. All that time the weather was calm and clear. 1 remember re-member we talked about the distance we could see. We could see stars In the horizon It was very clear. ' "f.ld you see Murdock after that?" "Yea. when I came out of the officers' quarters after the Impact. Murdock was n t tie. bridge, he on one end and Captain Smith 00 the other. I never spoke to Murdock after I turned the watch over to him, I saw him later working over ho .nst lifeboat as the nhlp went down." "Whore did you last see Captain Smith?" UlS senator asked. "I wai busy at my own work about feet sway nd have s recollection of sot Ing the captain walking across the bridge I did not then hoar him give SOS orders. 1 Vv.i"; ro.-, f-ir aws ' 'When the Titanic sank. Was her lo'-ks tntaet?" "Absolutely Intact,' Llghtholder replied. re-plied. Senator Smith asked what was the ai .-.r he lio;.rrl C'aptnln Smith give. Obeyed His Orders. "When 1 ASked If I should put the women and children In the boats." replied re-plied Llghtholder, "ho responded, 'Yes, and lower away.' "What did yon do?" 'Obeyed orders." The last boat to put off. a 11. ii coiHpsi-hle coiHpsi-hle waj the one on top of the officers' quarters. Llghtholder said The men dumped It on deck and waiter! for the water to float It off. Onco nt sea It upset. up-set. The forward funnel fell into tne water, just missing the nift and overturning over-turning It, The funnel probably killed persons In the water. "This was the boat I eventually got on.' declared Llghtholder. "No one was on It when I reached it. lr.ter about thirty men clambered out of the water onto It. All bad on life-preservers." "Did any passengers got on?" asked Senator Smith. "J. R. Thayer- the pecrnd Marconi operator op-erator and Colonel Oracle. I recall.'1 said ihe witness. "All th rest were firemen taken out of the water Two of those died that night and slipped off into the water. I think the senior Marconi operator op-erator did that." "E'tod from cold?" "Yes, sir " "W as there any efTort by others to get on board?'' continued Senator Smith. "We took all we could." "There must have been others In the water?" "But not near us." 'How far away?" "Seemed half a mile." First Boat Sent Off. In the first boat to be put off, Llghtholder Llght-holder said he put twenty to twentv-flvc Two seamen were placed In It The officer of-ficer said he could spare no more and that the fact that women rowed did not show the boat, was not fully equipped. At that time he did not believe tho danger was great. Two seamen placed In the boat, he said were selected by him. but be did not recall who they kvo re. "How did vou happen to name them?" "Because they were standing near." "Did they want to go?" "I didn't a.sk them; they went by mv orders." "How many passengers did the second boat tako?" ' About thirty," said Llghtholder. "How many seamen?" "Two seamen, aa far as I remember, sir " "Did you see that boat agaInT" "Not to my knowledge." "The third boat?" "By the time I came to the third boat. all those on the port Bide I began to realize that the situation waa serious and T began to take chances." "How long did all the work of loading and lowering a lifeboat take?" "It was difficult to say, but I think about iS to 20 minutes." "How many passengers did the third boat contain?" Women Were Brave. "I filled her as full as I dared, sir. and then lowered her, about thirty-five T think. The women and children could not have stood quieter if they'd been In church." In loading the fourth lifeboat Light -hoider said he was running ahort of sea men. "I put two seamen In and one Jumped out. That whs the first boat I had to put a man passenger In Ho was standing stand-ing nearb and aald he would go If I needed him." "I said- 'Are you a sailor?' and he replied re-plied that be waa a yachtsman. Then I told him that if be was sailor enough to get over the bulwarks to the lifeboats, to go ahead. Tie did and proved himself afterward to bo a very brave man." "Who was he? Did you know- him"" ''T didn't know him then, but afterwards after-wards 1 looked him up. He was Major Peucben Of Toronto." said Llghtholder. "Had yon ever seen him before?" "N'eer, " Of the f 1 ft li noat. Llghtholder had no particular recollection. "The last boat l put out, my sixth boat." he said, "we had difficulty finding women. I called for women and none wore on deck. The men began to get In and then women appeared. As rapidly as they did, the men passengers got out of the boat again. "Tho boat deck was only ten feet from the water when I lowered 'hn sixth bont When we lowered the first, the distance was seventy fee All fold. Llghthotder testified. CIO members of the crow wore savo.d "If the same course was pursued on the starboard side a upon the port. In filling boats, how do you account for co many members of the crew belnr is ed ?" asked Chair man Smith, "i have Inquired especially and have found that for every six persons picked up five were elthor firnipn or stewards." Some lifeboats, tho witness said, wnt back after the Titanic sank and nicked up men from the esa. T-ljchtholder declared de-clared be stood on top of the officers' quarters and as the shin dived he facd forward and dived also. "I was sucked against a blower and held tl-.ore." testified the officer. 'Head above water?' "No, sir. A terrific (rust am up the blower th boUeM must have exploded and I was blown clear." "How far were you blown?" "Barely clear. I was sucked dwn ncain. this time on the fldlev" Krat-Inp Krat-Inp " "Did nnvone else bavs a lml!ar ex-p ex-p silence T" ' Vos. Colonel Grade." "How did you gt lonse?" "1 don't know, m.-ivbe another explosion explo-sion All I know Is we came un bv a boat." ' Wr-re (hre anv waiertiajht compartments com-partments on that fhlp'" the senator asked. "Certainly. Forty or fifty." : Must Have Known. "Vr thev known to paesenr'-is and l crw?" "Must have been -Ir, the plans distributed dis-tributed about the shin " I ' Did yon know whether anv -if the crr-w or pa5.nK' rs look to ih water- ) tiKht compartments as last resort?' I "It Is unite Impossible for me to sav" "T? It nt a!l likely" ' i "I think vers- unlikely. ' I "As for yourself 700 prefer to take to the. open sea?" 1 "Undoubtedly." ' "Are th water-tight, compartments Intended In-tended sj rsfuaa for passengers?" "Oh. dear no. sir: not at all at any' j time." j "SuPPOSI th!? ship had sunk in less ! , depth ..f wate,, would the water-tight ! coropartmsnts have hen any refuse''" No, sir never Intended for that purpose pur-pose they w.-re de-lKTied to prevent the ship fmni lnklntr?" "What other officers besides vourself survived? ! "Ti" 't.ird. fourth and fifth officers I r. I "Their earn-" H J flttrnan. third officer j q Boxholl. fourth officer; Q lxw fifth officer." At tM r-lnt the hi-iirlnjr wa halted t.. be resumed at s 30 o'clock tonlsht. Ogden Man Loses Uncle. Si iji: to The Trlbane. OOpEN April 19.- Through the prB dispatches following the arrival of th" 1 CarpatoU with the nii;- tv,: of (he TI Un c oleaster, Pred L Kenyon, redding ai ... rwanty-sixth .xtr..,t ;irij an anal, rieer at the Shupe-WUllaros Candy com-Pany's com-Pany's plant, has learned that an ancle f-red R. Ksnypn, was among, the number who UMt their Uvea, Accompanied by hie wire, Mr. Kenyan wa returning to their home at SoutblngUffl COnn arter an extended Kn'opean tour Mrs Ken-vo Ken-vo wai one 01 the aur-voi!. arrlvlnr in Nf 'i'.rk on the Carpathia, her bus- hand refusing a plac,. Itl ;4 nrb,&t lje. c a u e thore were women and children at hand Mrs Kenvon fold a ITaPhlC atorv Of th disaster, declaring that three men who said tney r-mw row wre aivsn planes 1 In ths boat m which sh sc,pei from the PlUnlc, but that It w.-tJ, nen,on-",r' nen,on-",r' ' ' ' that t: v knew nothing oie-erninc th- r. . . , f a ,,H, She and another woman )r, m a-et- 1 ting the ttfebo! otaar of the steamship. |