Show APOSTLE GRANTS SPEECH AT UNIVERSITY QUOTED 0 Education and Polygamy Joined in Judge Powers Testimony 9 Moses Thatcher on the to Minimize ble With the Church Authorities 6 a 4 to lo ThE Herald ah ton April Judge Powers was recalled In the Smoot hear hearing hearing ing today for arid and he and Moses Thatcher occupied the 6 chair the SeE Ion Both witnesses told principally of 4 conditions Powers spoke of MormOn n Influence In schools and ancl told of oC the whIch him out of harmony with 4 hh brother Much luh deference was shown Thatcher and on ac 4 lunt of oC hi hb he wa permitted to tell teU his story without Inter Interruption or from members of the committee or counsel At Carlisle wai alC nut lIot present Taylor conducting the examination for Cor Corthe 4 the alone 4 Afternoon lonK of the it have been on ac I 4 of the of buln In U th senate AU All the Utah ud sd counsel In the tho ese ease Mormon and Gentile I 4 It the eban game Columbia and Virginia this after arter I I 1 1 I A I A 0 Alil ADrIL Judge Judt O 0 W V V w was us on the kt d the o o tho before the IUle commIttee on anil ele elections today and Vun ott oll rn He the In regard to Mormon Interest n educational affairs Judge Powers praised tais d the p people ople highly for lh their ap Nn to trades fd d sciences Mining and other scientific c In Int t were fre praised od b by the witness F FIn In said that M Mormon rmon easily rink rank with the best Institutions of learn lug in th the lii In regard to th the disinclination of to inform on nn Powers Power Id that no person liked 10 bE called or an Informer was a mAde to lh the attitude of 1 who were fire Gentiles in none nom Brigham H nober II a Mor wan fr Roberts as a Moses t 11 Mid id Mr 11 Powers we ve thought Job rtH going to be the Io Moses g who I would lead us out of our OUI political al dif difu u We y thought he would take aa away from rom church domination in 15 J HUe t L While hlll Tul e Powers commended mUth of the lIcy In Utah lie raid Fald the admirable e system was In inaugurated statehood 1 In Ii an Wt to a question by Senator Bane Bailey Banet t the ht witness laId he U understood that In iii ola t were g cI early for tor religIous t tim The Mormons found much to j h or of In regard t BurrowS witness that he w Apostle Hew Helter t 1 Grant who aa tt an International kindergarten and aked Apostle Grant I Is n I great gNat educator 1 Is h he not Made Powers Fowers Laugh ilI some MIme Mid the tha witness He then detailed a speech K a Utah un t b by Mr at which hith h he 1 lM fot the sChool According to the witness I 1 tiO was for himself an fiO for fOt 08 each ch of his two wives amI Id I WH only MOrr sorry that the law oum not nol permit him to have more wives Ies A subpoena h has s issued for I Grant but he has hus not been reached I If there nn any special reason n wh why Mr I II I I Grant rant l ft M o suddenly a asked ked the i I chairman Yes Ye I understand that a warrant Was Wan issued for Cor him and he went tu to tuG G Germany Mr h Van Yan Colt ott asked Judge Powers If I It was not w well known that Grant was going to Germany German before the warrant Was WaK Is Issued ue Oh yes e was th the answer I i do 11 I not menu that he went to Germany on aico aCcount nt o of the warrant but that he heI I I left ft town In the night ight on that ac account count Thatcher on the tho Stand Moses Thatcher was waH then called to the ta He WaN all an apostle at the time of f his candidacy for a political I and it Il great deal leal of testimony has been given n in regard to his with the church on account of politics Mr 11 Thatcher said nid th the eon on with the church was In 1805 I 1 I and 1896 1895 and gave ve an explanation of his stud or of be before fora he became active In any campaign He also spoke of oC his duties s as an apostle of oC the Thatch minimized his troubles with the chur and said he alwa always K recognized the power of oC a majority The first friction according to his story followed a speech which lie he made in ISO In which ht he criticised the 11 ra m and ti H letter was issued by Jo Jor seph F smith and John Henry Henro Smith r role against his lemn Thatcher read front from let rs and speeches which appear in pamphlets lt I II I and other records Among was one at Snit Salt Lake In 1891 In I Thatcher her declined to lo take part In poll pollI I tI ties on account o of his hlf ecclesiastical po poI but in which he counseled the I Democrats to instruct the people so the they would be understood in their position Uon tion In favor of oC divorcing the state stale and tM th church in political affairs The rhe committee adjourned adjourn until A m tomo tomorrow when Mr 11 Thatcher I will continue hIs story |