Show COMMITTEES NOT T THE WHOLE HOLE THING I to Constitutional 1 Conventions Not Bound to ii Adopt Reports II I I Phoenix Arts Ari Nov 4 The long loa I expected debate la in the constitutional I f convention over the initiative and ref ret referendum edum was waa begun today toda Before fore the noon nOOD recess three thre minority reports and II two 0 amendments to the legislative 1 I committee report re rt had hadD ben been defeated willie while the tb committee or ot the whole had bad badI I under uDder consideration a substitute of ot offered terM by Delegate Dett te Baker Bak of Phoenix a former fonner chief chiet Justice of ot the Arizona su supreme supreme U Urme I preme court Mr Raker in a speech in advocacy of ot othis his hi substitute explained that it was milar ml to that upon which Colorado would vote aa as an amendment to Its Ita constitution and contained the best of the of all aU other ul her states that had direct legisla legislation tion The proposed elimination of counties from the applicability of direct dl t legis legle legislation leg lation was I defeated 12 11 1 to 41 4 The Tn Webb amendment giving riving coun counti tie ti ties rights over cities cUI and said uk to have haY been favored by advocates of ot option was waa defeated 14 to 31 Si The Baker substitute was waa w lost It IS 11 to toi i 3 i Only the tbt committee report re remained r before the |