Show REALLY NOTHING IN N THE CHARGES Attorney For the tIle Santa Fe Exonerates Exonerates Exonerates ates the tIle Company NEVER N VER PAID ANY REBATES SENATE COMMITTEE LISTENS TO I MR t A I April ML Victor vv Mora wets of the ibe o To Topeka Topeka Topeka peka Santa Fe railroad again agath was as before the senate te committee on Oft in to interstate te commerce today Replying to questions by Senator Del Dol beer Iwer Mr Ir said that the ex cx executive committee and ad board of or direr directors tors tots never ver know anything about sheet the de details details tails tAnS of traffic management TJ They ey give directions to the president of C the road i and the president directs the other om V core Where Ie traffic managers mana en violate the law in granting rebates and discriminations lions to one shipper do you not Dot think it would be right to compel the road ro d to toI give he all shippers the low 10 rater rate asked k I r Same Old Excuse In many eases cases it would be right might and andI andin in others unjust replied Mr Mora I WE tx It would not be right to make makei i I V stockholders rs suffer because some agent I had committed a wrong r n nI I Senator Dolliver Dol 1 het questioned qu Mr Ir Mo Mora ra etz about the agreements a between companies compan as to rates The latter re ye replied replied plied that they were ere not agreements The railroads he said gaid talked things over and reached re hed an understanding as asto asto asto to what rates would be from competitive tive the points point He said these thee rates were fixed on a remunerative basis Senator I olliver Dolliver asked why hv Inter Intermediate mediate points were compelled to pay higher hi her rates than the competitive points Mr 11 replied that the I railroads were w re compelled to accept aCC pt low 10 He main maintained maintained rates r ts at competitive paints tamed that the intermediate points wore were w re really leally V by b such su b action I Santa Fe Rebates In reply to a question by h Senator Dolliver Mr 1 explained the charges harges regarding the granting of re ye rebates bates bales by b the Atchison to the Colorado Fuel Iron company He said ask that the time alleged aUe ed rebate grew rew out of confusion confusion sion don of the cost co t of transportation tran and the cost of coal The Th Atchison filed with the interstate commerce commission a arate arate arate rate of from the mine to the point of or intersection i te ti O with Uh any road which Dod Ji Co I was as controlled by b Phelps Dodge the coal 81 consignor As a matter of tact fact tat t the he be said the rate was as per ton and tha differ per ton tORwall ras paid to the he t Colorado Fuel Sc iron company the oal Yh Ih road collected ted led the price e of or the coal al c and am the cost coat of trans transportation at the th point of delivery It was alleged allt that thai the payment of ur Sll to the Colorado company was a rebate when wh n as a matter of fact he said no rebate was wa paid No o interest ho be stated suffered by the act 3 t of the company Nobody connected with the Atchison system g had any interest in the Colorado Fuel Iron Tron company Went Out of Coal Business Mr said when the present t of the Atchison road took control of the system it included vari van I i OUR Des ou coal companies the stock of or w which i was owned by the tbt original railroad company The rho new management IMI de tie decided I tided that the railroad must go out of I time the coal business bus The T Atchison then thena leased leaded a all aU the coal col mints mines in hi its iL system In iii 1 1901 01 there was a ar arrangement arI to which the Atchison the I Colorado Fuel l ul Iron ron company and Phelps Phel Dodge SI Co Cocon u controlling con I parties Under r the th terms of the u agreement agreen nt the Colorado Colordo Fuel Iron company was to furnish coal at 11 per ton and nl the Atchison Ath on was aR to haul it for OO 00 per ton the Atchison to Lo collect the price pric e of oft I t th coal and pity pay the over to the Colorado company The agreement a was wag to last five years But in 1902 1 in injunctions I junctions were w re granted r the various companies from rom continuing this business The Th complaint cOl plaint arose over a ami mistake mi take about the combination of or the which t the road collected colle ted an idle alle allegation lle gation being made that this UsIa did not in include include clude chide the time price of or coal and that rebates were given g f n No Ko other shipper could be affected affe ted because Phelps Dodge Co had bad to have the coal which bich was as sup supplied plied tl by b the Colorado Cok rado company The whole ahole case ease aros arole e over a confusion in inthe the cost of coal with the cost co t of trans transportation transportation transportation V Denied the Rebates Senator Dolliver asked as to the re ye report repert port pert that the Atchison hat had paid to the Standard Oil on company in re rebates rebates rebates bates in Kansas Mr said aid id that he felt feU authorised authorized to deny the statement that any rebate was as given by the Atchison to the Standard In Iii answer to Senator Newlands Mr lr said that t at in several se ral states were fix rates At times the Atchison road had suffered from interference and was wan saved from roan annihilation by the th United States courts He said no commission could have ha ve the wisdom to fix rates lot for forthe the entire country Senator Newlands asked a series of f questions to support his contention for forthe forthe the time nationalization of railroads The latter replied that he hf would prefer a I federal charter for fOI his company to a state charter Senator addressing ad Tes ing Mr r New Xe lande asked Are Art you getting ready to buy all these th roads No Xo replied Mr lr Newlands I 1 merely merel want the railroads ds to take out national charters V The lohe committee adjourned until tomor I 10 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