Show r I i THIEDE ON THE STAND i Flatly Contradicts Many of the Prosecutions Witnesses HOW HE FOUND THE BODY LITTLE AXXin TESTIFIES OX BET BE-T HALF OF HER 1MT1IDU dAk C 5Z She Say He Wan Alwnj Kind and f Affectionate to Her Mother Thlede AVn Under Cro RExan in r ntlon When Court Adjourned Severnl Other AVltnenacit Exnmln cd The Evidence Will Close To dny J IiI I Yesterday was the most interesting I day yet or the Thiede trial The principal 1 prin-cipal witness was the defendant himself j him-self He took the stand after the noon i recess and was under crossexamination I when court adjourned at 530 oclock The crossexamination will be resumed t I this morning and it is expected the testimony will close today Annie t Thiede the 9yearold daughter of the t defendant gave her evidence In the forenoon yesterday and proved a good witness for the defense She gave her father a good character and exhibited 11 great intelligence in one so young Her evidence In crossexamination was not i materially shaken Thiede was pale and nervous on the stand and at times showed symptoms of deep feeling feeUnJOHN JOHN TRUST examined by Judge Cherry said he lived at Murray and worked at the I I Germania smelter had known Thiede i for fifteen months Was at Thiedes fnloon on April 30 about 12 oclock at S lsI nightWas I p Was Yes there a light in the saloon Did you go In Z Yes I went in and called for Charley Char-ley he wasnt there and I went out and again called Charley Did you find him Yes and I asked him to give me a drink Did he give it you Yes he went behind the bar I had two classes of beer and I bought 50 k cents wourth of whisky I Did you see tne sheriff ftnd Charley Thiede the next morning No Did you see any blood on Thiedes clothes j No Cross examined by Mr Howat witness wit-ness said he was at the Union Pacific eailoon about 10 oclock on the evening of April 30 How was Thiede dressed that 1 night I dont know I Did he have a black vest on I dont know Didnt they have beer and whisky at the Union Pacific saloon Yes t What did you go to Thiedes saloon for Just to get some beer and whisky o Was Charley asleep or only pretending i pretend-ing to be asleep when you went to his i i saloon and called to him I dont know he was laying down Did you take no morethan three it glasses of beer in the Union Pacific if saloon f Only three Wiho went to Thiedes saloon with youJohn John Johnson Did you kill Mrs Thiede J W1tnsstngrildid not = toI Mr Cherry I object to that question and ask that it be stricken out itis not crossexamination It was asked for Y effect simply a grand stand play The court ordered the answer stricken out J JOHN JOHNSON lived at Murray and worked at the smelter Where were you on the night Mrs Thiede was killed i EI was at the Union Pacific saloon 1 What time were you there I went at 9 oclock and left at a quarter past 12 4 Where did you go from there i I I went to Charley Thiedes saloon t What did you do at Thiedes I went into the saloon and called for Charley but no one answered and I went out I went into the saloon again and Charley was then behind the bar talking to my partner John Trust What did you have to drink Some beer x Who paii forit It t John Trust paid for it r Did he buy anything else P Yesa bottle of whisky Did you see any blood on Thiedes clothes I No I I Crossexamined by Judge Howat I I A Did you see Charley again that 1 f ti night l j nightEarly in the morning I did I Was Charley asleep when you got 1 there or only pretending + V I dont know but I dont think her he-r ft was asleep How long did you stay at Thiedes Only a short time II Just long enough to buy the beer and whisky Yes You and our partner then went homeYes Yes You asked Thiede to let you play a c game of pool Yes Jjut he wouldnt it was late Did Thiede have a black vest on I It was dark colored I CHARLES J BIRKNER I said he was a painter and decorator y had been a police officer for three years L Do you know George Wright Yes Was he a witness in this case f I dont know I saw him about the 1 c hall here I Do you know his reputation for truth and veracity P Yes Isltgoodorbad Bad I Do you know Christian Stryker Yts Wiiat is his reputation for truth and veracity 2 It Is bad Crossexamined by Mr Howat Who did you ever hear say Wright was an untruthful man His own father said he was a rascal r ras-cal i Did you know anything against WrIght except that he drinks too much muchNo I NoIdonoL i How lQng have you known Stryk I cr2 j I erFive Five or six years Who did you ever hear say he was 1 untruthful I heard a man at the joint city and I county building say that he was no j good that he wouldnt pay for his i room Is that all you know against Stryk I er 1 r I erHe was no good generally he left his family in the east unprovided for How do you know that I was told soB i so-B Mr Cherry Did you ever hear 1r of him associating with lewd colored 4 women f O Tes W A SIDNEY I said he had known George Wright for some years and his reputation for truth and veracity was bad Witness also knew Stryker and his reputatioa for truth and veracity was also bad Crossexamined by Mr Howat witness J wit-ness said th tihe had heard parties who worked on the joint city and l county building say they would not o a j i1 u believe Stryker Other people said Wright was no good ANNIE THIEDE the daughter of the defendant examined exam-ined by Mr Cherry was the next witness wit-ness She f isa bright intelligent little girl 9 ears of years age Did you go to school while you lived in Murray Yes Where did your father sleep for the last few years Generally at the saloon but sometimes some-times at the house Who slept at the house > My mother and myself Did our mother receive any nres ents from your father within the last vear Yes he gave her beads for her neck and arms and a gold watch before thatDo Do you remember going to Germany Ger-many with your father and mother Yes Who came back with you My mother Father came back before be-fore us While you were gone was there any changes in the house at Murray Yes the brick house was all fixed up with carpets new furniture and lots of I nice things Did you ever see your mamma with I her face bruised Yes two or three times Do you know how she got those bruises She fell down by the stove Were you there when she fell No I was outside Objected to by Mr Howat as hearsay hear-say and objection sustained What did you do when you saw her laying down J ran to the brewery and told papa and he came and picked her up Did you at any other time know of her receiving any fall or hurt No Have you at any time ever seen your father strike your mother No Did he ever slap her with his open hand I dont remember Did you ever see bim show any acts of kindness to your mother2 Yes I have seen him kiss and hug her when he said good morning and he kissed her whenever he left to go to townWhat What kind of dresses did your mamma mam-ma have She had lots of dresses black silk and other pretty ones Who made them 7 The sewing lady Do you remember the time your mamma was killed Yes I was with my teacher Miss Noble and I met Mr Smith on the road and he told me mamma was killed How did you come to go home with Miss Noble I went to stay for two or three days to have some fun mamma and papa said I might go Where did you sleep on the Sunday night before your mother was killed In the saloon with papa Do you remember about a year ago going to Mr Sunderholms late at night looking for your mamma No I Did you ever see your mamma at night in the loft Of the brewery looking out of the window NoWhy did you sleep In the saloon that Sunday night Mamma and papa had some trouble trou-ble Did you hear the trouble between themYes Yes Where did it occur At Mrs Lauenbergers house I Were you there Yes I State what occurred I Papa wanted mamma to come home I and she said she wouldnt After a 1 while she went to the house and I went to the saloon and slept with papa that night Crossexamined by Mr Howat Did YOU tell Miss Noble that your papa had said you might stay a month with her Yes I guess I made a mistake You never saw your papa strike your mother No That night when your mother was in the brewery did you tell Victoria Sanderholm that your father had given your mother an awful licking NoWhere have you been living since your mama was killed 7 With my Auntie Pearson Did they tell you what to say at this trial Thev told me lo tell the truth Did they tell you to say to the jury that they told you to tell the truth Yes You say you saw your mother wifh bruises on her face two or three times Yes How many times did you see her fall down 7 Two or three times Was she drunk when she fell down Yes Did your papa ever strike your mama with his hand on the face I dont remember Was your papa always kind to your mother and did he kiss her every morning and when he went to town Yes By Mr Cherry Did you take a bundle of clothes when you went to Miss Nobles Yes Did you tell Miss Noble your papa said you could stay with her for a month I dont remember THE DEFENDANT EXAMINED In the afternoon the defendant Charles Thiede took the stand and In response to Mr Cherry said he was 34 years of age He was born at Gries wold Germany July 30 1860 and lived there till 1874 Went to sea in 1874 and afterwards was three years in the German Ger-man navy then kept a hotel at Gries wold for two years after which he came to Salt Lake city Wasmarried to Mary Franks at Grieswold in 1883 The child Annie was born at Grieswold Defendant came to America in 1885 and located at Murray where he followed the business of a saloonkeeper His wife came out from Germany in 1SS7 and joined him at Murray where he kept a saloon until his arrest on May 1 lastYou You furnshed the new brick house while your wife was in Germany asked Mr Cherry Yes Who furnished the means for your wife to return I sent her a ticket Did you hear the evidence of the witness Sunderholm and his wife In reference to your dragging your wife by the hair and beating and kicking her and is i true that you did that No it is not I never did such a thing Is it true that tre one night when you were In the brewery you threatened to shoot the Sunderholms and others if they didnt go away i No it Is not Did you ever push your wife out of the saloon and call her a drunken vaga bpndi as testified to by Geo Wright No never Do you know Christian Stryker Yes he worked for me fir awhile Is It true that you and your wife never eat a meal In peace all the time he was working for you No we had no quarrels at meals Did Stryker grind some knives for youYes Yes my wife wanted the table knives sharpened and I sent them across to the brewery for Stryker to grind them Do you remember having any talk with Stryker about the Irvine divorce case caseI I might have had Did you read in the papers about the Irvine divorce case Yes I read The Herald and the Tribune Dd you ask Stryker if he thought you could get a divorce from your wifeNo No 1 did not I Did you understand at that time I that Stryker was a lawyer He claimed to know a good deal about law Did you ask Stryker if he believed Judge Powers could clear a man who committed murder If there was money enough in it I might have said something of the kind when talking about the Montgomery Mont-gomery trial Did you tell Stryker that you wanted want-ed a divorce from your wife because she was too good for your business and that you wanted a woman who I would loon flirt with the men in the sa loonNo No never i Did ypu have any serious difficulty with your wife up to that time I No she was as good little woman as sle lte ever lived Here the witness showed great feeling and nearly broke down I I Do you know George Wright He worked for me for a few days I One morning the window of the saloon j was broken In what money was in the I drawer and a spy glass were stolen i and I never saw Wright again until I I I saw him in the county jail I never paid him for the time he worked for meOn I On the Sunday evening before the night the murder was committed did you have any dispute with your t ife I was watering the lawn and she tripped over the hose and fell She said I had pulled the hose to trip her for meanness and we had a dispute about i Did she talkloud I She always spoke in a loud tone I thenYes Was Old Man Lauenberger there I Yes he saw it and we went into Lauenbergers house She told the I Lauenbergers that I had tripped her purposely My wife had a little too I much to drink that evening and I wanted her to go home and go to bed but she wanted to stay at the Lauen j i bergers for a while I Did you slap her then I 1 was a little mad and may have I slapped her with my hand I Did she remain in Lauent rgers house after you had gone Yes and Lauenberger andI went to the saloon My wife came along afterwards af-terwards and I told her to go to the house and go to bed That was the last I saw of her that night Did the little girl Annie sleep with t you that night Yes in the saloon How did you spend the next day I Monday I was working around the brewery and getting ready to brew and my wife and I went over to the vinegar works We bought a pig at the vinegar works Old Man Lauenberger helped me to bring it home and in the afternoon Lauenberger helped me to build a pigpen I pig-pen penWhat did you do in the evening We had supper between 7 and S oclock and I waited on customers who J came to the saloon Who was with you in the saloon in the evening My wife Mrs Pearson Mrs Smith and Mr Pearson Who else came to the saloon Oh a number of people came from the industrial army and others Was Mr Bloom and his wife there t thereYes Yes between 9 and 10 oclock What did you do after they had gone I lay down on the cot in the saloon and read the paper to my wife about the industrial army What did she say about the army She expressed a desire I to see them tliemDid you go up to the scamp s-camp No Did your wife go to the camp I dont know Where was your wife when you was reading the paper Sitting on the end of the cot She bid me good night and left to go down to the house saying she was going go-ing to bed and I fell asleep on the cot cotWere you awakened soon after thatAbout two hours after John Trust and < John Johnson came in and woke me up and got some beer and whisky How long did they stay Not long Did they say anything about playing play-ing pool I cant remember What time did they leave About 12 oclock I think o What did you do after they went away I went out to go to the water closet and I noticed the blinds were up in my wifes room I thought it was stranse and went to the house There I I was a hat and shawl on the table and the bed was just the same as when we left at supper time I had not been slept in and I couldnt find my wife in the house Where did you go then I went out into the road towards Burgertown Had you any reason to expect your I wife would be at Burgertown Yes a friend of my wifqs who Jived there was expected to be sick and I thought she might have gone there What did you see I saw something lying on the ground and when I went up to it I found it was my wife I called out Hello Mary what is the matter I picked her up and saw that she was all over blood and her throat cut and that scared me so T put her down again and went for old man Lauenber ger and told him my wife was murdered mur-dered He came out with me and I wanted to take her into the house but I Lauenberger said not to move her but to send for the doctor How was your wife I ing when you found her first Face down What did you do after Lauenberger told you to send for the doctor I went into the saloon for my coat and washed the blood off my hands my hands were bloody after lifting her up Then I went with Lauenberger for the doctor I Did you meet anyone on the way to the doctors Yes two men going towards Salt LakeThen Then you went on to the doctors Yes doctor What did you do after calling the I went to telephone but the office was closed and I went to Harry Haynes store and woke up the clerk Ahlberg and he said the telephdne was out of order and we couldnt send a message Who did you want to telephone to To the sheriff and my relations Did you meet anyone on the way back backYes Yes I met a man Whereabouts I was excited and didnt take notice no-tice I After you got back did anyone call at the saloon Yes a man came in and I sold him I a bottle of whisky What did you do then I We got a light and the doctor Lauenberger and myself went to the bodyThe The doctor examined it and we looked around for the knife but could nt find i We tVn carried the body into the saloon ad placed i on the pool table Who carried her in The doctor and Lauenberger You went to the brewery to get a lantern Yes When you first found your wifes wies body did you say to Dr Ferrebee that when you picked her up she said Oh Charley I told the doctor there was a low noise which sounded to me like her saying Oh Charley While you and the doctor were together to-gether after your wifes body was taken into the saloon did anyone else come before daylight No the doctor and I were together alone till daylight i Who first came after daylight Albert Cahoon and Weller Did you go into the house or did you remain in the saloon till daylight No I got the key which the doctor had taken 0 1t of my wifes pocket and went down to the house I thought my wife might have committed suicide and I wanted to see I she had left any note but I couldnt find anyHow any-How do you account for the bloodstain I blood-stain on the piece of timber in blooe brewery We used the place where the board was taken from for hanging up meat and game i Was there anything hung on it recently re-cently before the killing rf YesI hung two rabbits there Did you recently hang anything else there thereYes Yes a niece of liver and we always hung meat and such things there Do you know how the blood stains got on the front door and on the wall of the saloon No I do hot Did youee any blood stains on the floor No of the saloon1 NoWho Who fixed the i cloth on the pool table t my thebody on The doctor did most of it The clothing that you wore at that time were introduced in evidence Yes What time did the sheriff get thereAbout there-About 6 oclock He came right up to me and said whats the matter I said they killed my wife and he said yes i looks like i you killed her you s of a b I said you must bf either crazy or drunk He ngaln said you killed that woman I can tell by your eyes you did and he knocked me down downDid Did you tell the sheriff you killed ypur Wife I did not What happened next He put me under arrest and I said all right wnI He called Montgomery land asked him to get some rope to tie me and I told there was plently of pope in the brewery and the three of us went and got the rppe to tie me McQueen then took me to the place where the body was found and said Theres the place you killed that little woman you s of a IT I told him I hadnt done it and about the two men being there to buy whisky and asked him to go towards Burgertown and we went We didnt see anyone and Mc Queen said this is some of your tricks your the one that killed hertind if you dont confess Ill shoot you He slapped me and kicked me and put me down on the steps to sit Where was little Annie then At the school maams Was any arrangement made on Monday about Annie going to the school maanis sc maans Yes Annie asked me to let her go and I let her How didyour wife act towards you and the little girl up to the time she was Wiled She was always good and kind as good a little woman as ever stepped on American soil CROSSEXAMINED Crossexamined by Mr Howat How old was your wife when you married her Twentythree1 I Are her father and mother living i ingNo No her mother died sit I have I been in jail and her father died long ago I agoWere you lay1appy with your wife wifeYes Yes i Why did youUthen think she had committed suicide I couldnt tell I was excited and overwhelmed and didnt know what to think ° thinkHadnt the doctor told you it was not suicide c I sulcde said so Was there anything in your relations I rela-tions with your wife that would lead l you to think she had committed suicide to get away from ONo froW NoWas the place t you were laying asleep only houtr rt60 feet from where your wlfe was milrdered I think it was only 50 feet Do you usually leave your saloon doors open when you go to sleep No but I fell to sleep while reading on the cot Why didnt you get up when your wife Vhy turn out the lamps and go to bed as usual I was reading Why did the lifiletgirl Annie sleep with you in the saloon Well my wife sometimes got too much drink and had to put Her to bed and take the ittle girl with me Was she drunk that Sunday night She was Did she say to you at Lauenbergers when you asked her to go home that she wouldnt do so because you would kill her No she did not On the Sunday night you said both doors of the saloon were locked Yes How was i the doors were locked that night and not the next night Because it was Sunday How did your wife get drunk if the saloon was locked We were out and in all day and she was there in the Evening Did you ask auenberger after you were arrested not to say anything about the difficulty you had with your wife in Lauenbergers house No I did not Where did yolir wife go on Monday afternoon 1 TO Miss Nobles to make arrangements arrange-ments about her givingAnnie painting i r lessons I Didnt you say that at breakfast your wife had told you that she had already made arrangements about I thatYes I Yes but she hadnt fixed about the amount she was to pay Did you tell Lauenberger that your I wife said Oh Charley when YOU first I picked her up after finding he A I No not like that I said I heard a noise that sounded as if she said Oh j Charley Was your wifes clothes up or down when you found the body They were up above the knees Did you adjust them I cant remember At 530 court adjourned till 10 oclock this morning when the crosf2 mina I tion of Thiede will be resumed j 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